I don't think anyone disagrees with you. I hope nobody disagrees with you. Maduro needs to go. But the US getting involved in South America never makes things better.
Sucks to stand back and say "gosh, I hope the people of Venezuela manage to make things better" and then do nothing if they fail. But intervention and coups don't work.
It's funny isn't it? They call for a (preferably violent) revolution every day because "work is slavery", but when Venezuelans march in the streets to overthrow an election rigging dictator who contributed in running their country into the ground, it's suddenly not ok, he needs to be taken down democratically.
I knew Chapos are not the brightest but I expected them to see this massive flaw in their logic. Oh well, the revolution is just around the corner
His position is so predictable these days, whatever the US does is bad and anything else is good. People sucking his dick for so long telling him he's a genius made his mind rot.
Even in linguistics his career has consisted mainly of using his clique to bully anyone who disagrees with him. English is not a context free grammar and someday you're going to need to come to terms with that.
Could you give me a tldr of what that means? The universe is conspiring to keep me from learning Chomsky, I fell asleep when he spoke at my high school and my phil. of language professor came in literally stumbling drunk on the main Chomsky day and just said we shouldn't be able to learn language... but we do... but it seems like we can't... but we do... in a 90 second loop that he repeated for 45 minutes
Basically the idea is that you can break up a sentence into a tree structure in which the meaning of each part is only dependent on itself and on adjacent nodes. Important takeaways:
Anybody who claims that something that routinely happens is actually impossible is a deranged idiot.
Every single linguist is some form of leftist. There is not even a single conservative or liberal linguist anywhere. If you want to study linguistics then you have to conform to Chomsky's politics and his theories about how language works, in essentially the same way.
Smartest dumb guy out there. Or Dumbest smart guy. Can't remember what the exact quote was but I heard that from someone else. Or in the words of a US senator: "He is a fucking idiot".
I agree with him in a lot of things, but all he does these days is complain about american interventionism while ignoring the alternatives.
He's always been like that, he starts with that assertion then tries to make it sound smart afterwards. His livelihood is getting retarded contrarians to feel smug,
Tbh Rubio is probably more responsible for the US gestures on Venezuela than anybody in the Trump admin, simply because he's been in contact with Venezuelan opposition figures for years now
He's right, but what is also right is that the opening of Venezuela's oil industry to outside capital investment would create jobs for literally any country with a major oil company who is allowed to come in or wins a bid for block leases (depending on how they do it). The reason this is true is less a nefarious US plot to export oil jobs from venezuela and has much more to do with oil being one of the most capital intensive investments you can make in the world. Venezuela has practically no capital, intellectual or monetary, left to turn around the industry which should be able to practically support their entire country.
At this point it is hard to see how they can improve their oil industry without allowing capital investment to flow in, whether Maduro remains in power or someone else comes to power. A revitalization of the oil industry would be a huge benefit to literally every person living in Venezuela, dramatically raising their quality of life.
The reason this is true is less a nefarious US plot to export oil jobs from venezuela and has much more to do with oil being one of the most capital intensive investments you can make in the world.
This literally is the same thing. The United States doesn't do bad shit because American politicians are morally defect, but because aggressive foreign policy has historically netted some really great profits for American corporate shareholders, including (historically) in Venezuela.
From what I understand, in addition to Venezuela's big corruption problem their oil industry is mostly based around tar sands. They've got an incredible amount of oil, the most of any country, but it's very expensive to refine. In addition, Venezuela is located farther away from big buyers than many other oil producers (Saudi Arabia, Russia, Brunei are very close to some very developed economies). If we actually see the current government be overthrown, what will mostly likely happen is the immediate privatization of the oil industry and subsequent closure of most oil extraction sites and refineries. This is going to make some individual Venezuelans and foreign investors quite rich, but in the short-term this kind of shock therapy always has very serious ramifications on the people affected.
Things still can get a lot worse in Venezuela. Best thing for the US to do would be end all sanctions, stop fucking with their internal politics, and offer refugee status to people who are suffering.
I don't think you understand oil, capital investment, the utter and complete mismanagement multi-decadal clusterfuck of venezuelan oil interests, or anything really at all tbh, which isn't surprising since you're a chapotard
Its not always about having the resource for oneself. Having a monopoly on such a resource allows you to have a great deal of influence to exert on other world powers. Its part of why America likes to buddy up with the Saudis so much and why they decided to topple an anti-american regime in Iraq, and then fully destroy it 10 years later for good measure.
the us's oil interests have changed DRASTICALLY in the past 15 years, we were very much reliant on foreign oil earlier this century, that is not really true anymore after the texas oil boom, we are not completely self-sufficient, but we are very close to becoming a net oil exporter, which would've been unheard of 15 years ago, so yes the muh foreign oil meme is very much outdated, especially when we don't even want Venezuelan oil
but we are very close to becoming a net oil exporter
which is precisely my point. Just because America doesn't want the oil for itself doesn't mean it wants that oil going to its foreign rivals.
Who are basically the only nations that still recognize Marudo's dictatorship? China and Russia. Still developing nations that desperately require oil for their industries. If America were to be the largest exporter of oil along with their best friend Saudi Arabia, Russia and China will be just about forced to buy from them to supply themelves. And that gives the US a lot of influence to exert on those two. Especially if it can make another major oil producer a forceful ally of its interests, and again especially one that currently has an anti-american government.
So does America and yet they still import. Every country that produces and exports oil still imports. So its always a positive to have a monopoly on that which other countries are importing.
Dude, you are retarded. Oil importers want cheaper oil and would support stable Venezuela. Oil exporters want pricier oil and would support razing Venezuela to the ground. Now Russia is a super oil exporter, the US is mostly neutral (but makes a ton of money refining imported oil and selling products), and China is more on the import side but also retarded.
So to the extent world politics are determined by oil relations, the only nation that really has an interest in fucking Venezuela over is supporting Maduro.
/>Its part of why America likes to buddy up with the Saudis so much and why they decided to topple an anti-american regime in Iraq, and then fully destroy it 10 years later for good measure. There is a reason why the oil meme exists in the first place.
does not in anyway line up with the current reality of americas oil situation and is a lazy jab that was relevant in the bush years but not anymore.
My point there was that the original oil meme as it was interpreted by people of the time in the Bush era was an incorrect assumption. I think it's stupid to argue that America and allies invaded Iraq for them to acquire the oil, because the reality is that American business interests didn't even actually get any real stakes in Iraq's oil industry following the war.
What I'm saying is that the oil meme from the very beginning was misguided, and that Cheney and Co. were more interested in denying America's foreign allies of oil than actually "stealing" Iraq's oil. But the meme exists because it does hold some notion of truth to it, and still does now.
Eventually that oil will need to be bought sources from other countries are starting to deplete, and as such those countries begin to raise their price.
Price be damned, developing countries will need oil. Especially when countries like India and Brazil start to reach a point where they are as industrialized as Russia and China are now, they'll become major importers, and unlike say Russia have very little of their own to produce for themselves
It would be more of a long-term investment for the US. Though I can see why that might make it doubtful, since thinking that far into the future is really not the forte of any world power or leader. I'm starting to believe it less myself when I consider that point.
I wasn't arguing with you, just giving context as to why no one buys their oil and they import oil now.
Eventually that oil will need to be bought as sources from other countries are starting to deplete, and as such those countries begin to raise their price.
That's not how oil prices work, it's cheaper to pull oil out of shitty shale in most of the world than take it out of the more easily pumped but absolutely shit managed Venezuelan projects. Oil prices will tripple before it's worth buying their oil and by then there would be more pressing problems.
Price be damned, developing countries will need oil. Especially when countries like India and Brazil start to reach a point where they are as industrialized as Russia and China are now, they'll become major importers, and unlike say, Russia, they have very little of their own to produce for themselves
They will become a major exporter if they can lower their prices, at the high price point they have no one will buy it because there are other sources currently not pumping because they wouldn't be worth it right now, many places with hard or expensive to extract oil from shale are like this. They aren't not selling because they have some smart long term plan where they want to hold their resources to sell for more later, they literally are just so poorly mamaged that it costs them way more than it should to produce a barrel of oil.
That I can absolutely agree with. "Commies" is the original rallying cry for America to meddle in foreign affairs, where "oil" came later. Chapo has to be able to recognize that, but they, like their podcast hosts, is stuck in the Bush era both when it comes to comedy and geopolitical understanding.
You first with one country that the first one happened and it wasn't just briefly in the moment between wealth from stealing all the capital of foreign investors and running that resource into the absolute ground like Venezuela.
I said the top text never actually happened. Then, instead of providing an example you demanded I answer and unrelated question. I'm not going to waste my time doing that.
The Saudis serve their own interests, like any country does. Allies will kick eachother in the nuts from time to time if it benefits them. Brits and Americans did it to wachother constantly in the 40s and 50s.
But overall, the Saudis serve American interests more than they do those of America's foreign rivals.
We don’t need Venezuelan oil bro, and no President in history has ever put “having cheaper oil on the world market, and thus cheaper gas for citizens” over making more money for oil companies. Trust me, if they did they would have put tariffs on oil during the bust years of the 80’s.
i know you don't. Like I've said a half dozen times now, its more about just ensuring that other countries that are not so friendly to American foreign interests don't get oil without having to deal with the World Police, either directly or indirectly.
Its better to have a Venezuela friendly to America than it is to have one friendlier to China or Russia so that America can exert its influence on those countries when they import Venezuelan oil. Same with how it was better for Bush to make an American puppet in Iraq so that they so that the oil that Iraq was already sending to them or to other threats (i.e. the so-called 'Axis of Evil') was now safely under the monitor and influence of America.
But Iraqi oil on the world market was bad for American business interest, and a European company got the contract to produce it completely outside of American influence. Just like whomever takes over in Venezuela will be able to sell to whomever they want to. The oil industry doesn’t work like you think it does, in fact the biggest oil companies operating in America aren’t even American owned and they all have heavy foreign investment in them from China.
But Shell , or even BP, aren't the top domestic producers of US in Barrels-per-day oil equivalent (both about ~300,000 BPD or less). IIRC that should go to Exxon, Chevron, (in excess of 500,000 BPD) and then probably a bunch of almost entirely US-based smaller producers like Pioneer, Connoco, Anadarko, EOG, Devon, etc.
But then again, Shell and BP, like most oil companies, are shareholder owned, so it's not like a foreign government is operating them in the US or against US interests, or for any other interest that isn't profit motivated. They might have lots of investment from China, but they also have major investment from index funds and people's retirements and pension funds...they're just ok investments to have in a portfolio.
What, weren’t all the internet commies JUST saying Venezuela wasn’t real Communism and calling it “State Capitalism” when it became obvious to everybody it was a shitshow?
So if it “isn’t real communism” and is an obvious failure, why the fuck are Chapos running to defend Maduro?
It's cool when you can actually observe their realization that it's shit then watch them double down because their hatred of CHUDS and people that make more than 50 grand a year trumps living conditions or even a functional society
Because they know it's real, but always come up with some stupid strawman (like that the soviets weren't communist because they didn't give the means of production to the working class - nevermind that collectivization is the same fucking thing in practice) because they can't admit that bearded kraut idiot from the 19th century was wrong even when every single attempt of putting his ideas to practice in anything larger than a classroom resulted in failure.
The opposition, after years of division, has largely united behind Mr. Guaidó. He called for the protests and has offered to lead a transitional government and hold new elections if Mr. Maduro stepped down.
Honestly we have heard that line a shitload of times before by dictators.
Hell even Julius Caesar claimed that he would be the "temporary Consul of Rome" and then after he deep dicked Cleopatra, and he said "Nah fam, I'm dictator for life now, hey why does it look like you all are hiding knives behind your backs?"
Honestly we have heard that line a shitload of times before by dictators.
you're not wrong at all, and I'm sure venezuelans are extremely aware of this possibility. but the other side of the coin is Maduro, who you already know for a fact is a despotic dictator
I'd still take the gamble the Guaido is at least POSSIBLY doing this for the good of the country, because you know Maduro isn't.
More than half of the fuckwits in that subreddit still suck milk from their mothers tits,and then gag the milk from their stomachs while sucking each other's cocks and sell the gagged milk as an alternative vegan milk.
convenient for American oil interests that America is uniquely qualified to judge and enforce such criminal trespasses.
Pretty sure the Maduro govt seized a bunch of American owned oil Refining plants. Then they all shuttered their production, because no one knew how to run them. Leaving a bunch of unemployed people and no oil.
Whats happening in venezuela is not a coup. It's just like the whole Panama situation. they even assigned the same guy to plan the whole thing. And no, I'm not some right wing shill, i live in venezuela, and the only thing that is wrong here, is that maduro is still in power after having proven time and time again that he is an inept leader, a narcotraffic enabler and a corrupt pig. They must go after Diosdado Cabello too. He is the head honcho of a giant drug cartel and nobody has been able to do anything. http://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/akhzjj/more_than_70_scholars_join_noam_chomsky_to_sign/ef5q6fh
Lmao from the same thread chapofags completely discount the opinions of a real life living-in-Venezuela-Venezualean because he speaks English and therefore obviously from privilege.
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1 watermark03alt 2019-01-28
Nice :)
1 MikeStoklasaAlcohol 2019-01-28
Would you support Maduro if he started taxing e-thots? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 TendiesAndMeth 2019-01-28
Yes
1 watermark03alt 2019-01-28
I would never stop supporting comrade Maduro. The greatest leader of our times.
1 MikeStoklasaAlcohol 2019-01-28
Bad bait
1 MikeStoklasaAlcohol 2019-01-28
I like his attitude tbh. Its got the chapos all bussy-blasted.
1 DonnyBravoKingofEire 2019-01-28
Can we keep him?
1 TendiesAndMeth 2019-01-28
1 Patsy02 2019-01-28
Bosnians probably disagree tbh
1 none_to_remain 2019-01-28
To this day Bosnia is still ruled by an internationally appointed dictator called the High Representative.
1 Patsy02 2019-01-28
It's over for bosniakcels
1 Baconlightning 2019-01-28
Good, those people don’t deserve self rule.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-01-28
Unfortunately, Bosnia is a shithole no one wants to live in. Really nice to visit tho
1 xthek 2019-01-28
“coups don’t work”
“by the way be sure to overthrow your well-off, legitimate, democratic country’s government!”
1 TendiesAndMeth 2019-01-28
I mean to be fair that would be a revolution, not a coup
1 Woolgun 2019-01-28
It's funny isn't it? They call for a (preferably violent) revolution every day because "work is slavery", but when Venezuelans march in the streets to overthrow an election rigging dictator who contributed in running their country into the ground, it's suddenly not ok, he needs to be taken down democratically.
I knew Chapos are not the brightest but I expected them to see this massive flaw in their logic. Oh well, the revolution is just around the corner
1 Ultrashitposter 2019-01-28
cough lenin
1 RobertSpringer 2019-01-28
Panamá, Grenada, Haiti are the most recent examples of US intervention and their quality go life improved as a result
1 cabforpitt 2019-01-28
There's a guy unironically defending Russia invading Ukraine. Chapos really do have no foreign policy positions besides United States bad.
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-01-28
Duh. Doesn’t that sound so freeing? You could wade into any foreign policy debate with supreme confidence.
1 White_Dudeness 2019-01-28
The proper English word is "liberating", comrade.
1 TaysSecondGussy 2019-01-28
🙅🏼♂️ Nice try, Lib is right there in the word.
1 PDaviss 2019-01-28
“They wanna be part of the New Soviet Union! It doesn’t matter they literally voted to be independent!!”
1 ExtremelyOnlineG 2019-01-28
There's a team of dudes in there than unironically defend China's Uyghur concentration camps.
First world tankies, SMDHfam
1 White_Dudeness 2019-01-28
🐎👟
1 Arbych33f 2019-01-28
when both far right and far left end up supporting concentration camps it’s awful hard not to see the glowing horseshoe
1 ExtremelyOnlineG 2019-01-28
Authoritarians are all the same.
Nazi's and Stalinist's both get the wall. Equal opportunity firing squads.
1 dootwthesickness_II 2019-01-28
Found the Chetnik.
1 trj820 2019-01-28
1 snowkarl 2019-01-28
Noam Chudsky getting more senile by the minute.
His position is so predictable these days, whatever the US does is bad and anything else is good. People sucking his dick for so long telling him he's a genius made his mind rot.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2019-01-28
He's a genius in linguistics, he's a moron on pretty much everything else.
1 UmmahSultan 2019-01-28
Even in linguistics his career has consisted mainly of using his clique to bully anyone who disagrees with him. English is not a context free grammar and someday you're going to need to come to terms with that.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2019-01-28
I wasn't saying he was correct about all of his linguistic ideas, just that he had some really intelligent insights on them.
1 foodnaptime 2019-01-28
Could you give me a tldr of what that means? The universe is conspiring to keep me from learning Chomsky, I fell asleep when he spoke at my high school and my phil. of language professor came in literally stumbling drunk on the main Chomsky day and just said we shouldn't be able to learn language... but we do... but it seems like we can't... but we do... in a 90 second loop that he repeated for 45 minutes
1 UmmahSultan 2019-01-28
Basically the idea is that you can break up a sentence into a tree structure in which the meaning of each part is only dependent on itself and on adjacent nodes. Important takeaways:
Anybody who claims that something that routinely happens is actually impossible is a deranged idiot.
Every single linguist is some form of leftist. There is not even a single conservative or liberal linguist anywhere. If you want to study linguistics then you have to conform to Chomsky's politics and his theories about how language works, in essentially the same way.
1 Ganbazuroi 2019-01-28
He's a little right on some things. Key word being some, since he's an absolute moron on many, many subjects.
1 RandolphCox 2019-01-28
what does being a genius in linguistics even mean? whole field is retarded.
1 trj820 2019-01-28
Hot take: his work in linguistics is also garbage.
1 Ultrashitposter 2019-01-28
He's been like that since the 70s
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2019-01-28
Smartest dumb guy out there. Or Dumbest smart guy. Can't remember what the exact quote was but I heard that from someone else. Or in the words of a US senator: "He is a fucking idiot".
I agree with him in a lot of things, but all he does these days is complain about american interventionism while ignoring the alternatives.
1 Kodiak_Marmoset 2019-01-28
He's never met a communist regime he didn't run interference for.
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
He's always been like that, he starts with that assertion then tries to make it sound smart afterwards. His livelihood is getting retarded contrarians to feel smug,
1 siempreloco31 2019-01-28
Sooner or later the left has to get a new meme given that the US is the largest oil producer and is increasingly becoming less dependent on it.
1 Strictlybutters 2019-01-28
It’s America bashing on easy mode using lazy and outdated tropes.
In this case It’s funny that they fail to mention that all of Venezuela’s neighboring countries support the United States position.
1 Vladith 2019-01-28
Dude Marco Rubio just tweeted that regime change in Venezuela would bring jobs to employees of US oil companies
1 siempreloco31 2019-01-28
It should be automatic to ignore any person that managed to lose to trump.
1 Vladith 2019-01-28
Tbh Rubio is probably more responsible for the US gestures on Venezuela than anybody in the Trump admin, simply because he's been in contact with Venezuelan opposition figures for years now
1 ShitTornadoToOz 2019-01-28
Does that include our Lord and saviour, Jeb!?
1 wwyzzerdd 2019-01-28
Jeb lost like Obi Wan.
1 uniqueguy263 2019-01-28
Let me dispel the notion that Marco Rubio matters
1 duckraul2 2019-01-28
He's right, but what is also right is that the opening of Venezuela's oil industry to outside capital investment would create jobs for literally any country with a major oil company who is allowed to come in or wins a bid for block leases (depending on how they do it). The reason this is true is less a nefarious US plot to export oil jobs from venezuela and has much more to do with oil being one of the most capital intensive investments you can make in the world. Venezuela has practically no capital, intellectual or monetary, left to turn around the industry which should be able to practically support their entire country.
At this point it is hard to see how they can improve their oil industry without allowing capital investment to flow in, whether Maduro remains in power or someone else comes to power. A revitalization of the oil industry would be a huge benefit to literally every person living in Venezuela, dramatically raising their quality of life.
1 Vladith 2019-01-28
This literally is the same thing. The United States doesn't do bad shit because American politicians are morally defect, but because aggressive foreign policy has historically netted some really great profits for American corporate shareholders, including (historically) in Venezuela.
From what I understand, in addition to Venezuela's big corruption problem their oil industry is mostly based around tar sands. They've got an incredible amount of oil, the most of any country, but it's very expensive to refine. In addition, Venezuela is located farther away from big buyers than many other oil producers (Saudi Arabia, Russia, Brunei are very close to some very developed economies). If we actually see the current government be overthrown, what will mostly likely happen is the immediate privatization of the oil industry and subsequent closure of most oil extraction sites and refineries. This is going to make some individual Venezuelans and foreign investors quite rich, but in the short-term this kind of shock therapy always has very serious ramifications on the people affected.
Things still can get a lot worse in Venezuela. Best thing for the US to do would be end all sanctions, stop fucking with their internal politics, and offer refugee status to people who are suffering.
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1 duckraul2 2019-01-28
I don't think you understand oil, capital investment, the utter and complete mismanagement multi-decadal clusterfuck of venezuelan oil interests, or anything really at all tbh, which isn't surprising since you're a chapotard
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
Its not always about having the resource for oneself. Having a monopoly on such a resource allows you to have a great deal of influence to exert on other world powers. Its part of why America likes to buddy up with the Saudis so much and why they decided to topple an anti-american regime in Iraq, and then fully destroy it 10 years later for good measure.
1 LSU_Coonass 2019-01-28
the us's oil interests have changed DRASTICALLY in the past 15 years, we were very much reliant on foreign oil earlier this century, that is not really true anymore after the texas oil boom, we are not completely self-sufficient, but we are very close to becoming a net oil exporter, which would've been unheard of 15 years ago, so yes the muh foreign oil meme is very much outdated, especially when we don't even want Venezuelan oil
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
which is precisely my point. Just because America doesn't want the oil for itself doesn't mean it wants that oil going to its foreign rivals.
Who are basically the only nations that still recognize Marudo's dictatorship? China and Russia. Still developing nations that desperately require oil for their industries. If America were to be the largest exporter of oil along with their best friend Saudi Arabia, Russia and China will be just about forced to buy from them to supply themelves. And that gives the US a lot of influence to exert on those two. Especially if it can make another major oil producer a forceful ally of its interests, and again especially one that currently has an anti-american government.
1 uniqueguy263 2019-01-28
Russia has a fuckton of oil. It's where they make their money
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
So does America and yet they still import. Every country that produces and exports oil still imports. So its always a positive to have a monopoly on that which other countries are importing.
1 White_Dudeness 2019-01-28
Dude, you are retarded. Oil importers want cheaper oil and would support stable Venezuela. Oil exporters want pricier oil and would support razing Venezuela to the ground. Now Russia is a super oil exporter, the US is mostly neutral (but makes a ton of money refining imported oil and selling products), and China is more on the import side but also retarded.
So to the extent world politics are determined by oil relations, the only nation that really has an interest in fucking Venezuela over is supporting Maduro.
1 LSU_Coonass 2019-01-28
/>Its part of why America likes to buddy up with the Saudis so much and why they decided to topple an anti-american regime in Iraq, and then fully destroy it 10 years later for good measure. There is a reason why the oil meme exists in the first place.
does not in anyway line up with the current reality of americas oil situation and is a lazy jab that was relevant in the bush years but not anymore.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
My point there was that the original oil meme as it was interpreted by people of the time in the Bush era was an incorrect assumption. I think it's stupid to argue that America and allies invaded Iraq for them to acquire the oil, because the reality is that American business interests didn't even actually get any real stakes in Iraq's oil industry following the war.
What I'm saying is that the oil meme from the very beginning was misguided, and that Cheney and Co. were more interested in denying America's foreign allies of oil than actually "stealing" Iraq's oil. But the meme exists because it does hold some notion of truth to it, and still does now.
1 LSU_Coonass 2019-01-28
but nobody is even buying venezuelans oil right now, so it doesn't make sense
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
They aren't? This I hadn't heard actually. If thats the case my premise might be flawed
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
They guaranteed oil jobs and then their oil because retardedly expensive to pull out of the ground so no oje buys it anymore.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
I added an edit to address this point.
Eventually that oil will need to be bought sources from other countries are starting to deplete, and as such those countries begin to raise their price.
Price be damned, developing countries will need oil. Especially when countries like India and Brazil start to reach a point where they are as industrialized as Russia and China are now, they'll become major importers, and unlike say Russia have very little of their own to produce for themselves
It would be more of a long-term investment for the US. Though I can see why that might make it doubtful, since thinking that far into the future is really not the forte of any world power or leader. I'm starting to believe it less myself when I consider that point.
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
I wasn't arguing with you, just giving context as to why no one buys their oil and they import oil now.
That's not how oil prices work, it's cheaper to pull oil out of shitty shale in most of the world than take it out of the more easily pumped but absolutely shit managed Venezuelan projects. Oil prices will tripple before it's worth buying their oil and by then there would be more pressing problems.
They will become a major exporter if they can lower their prices, at the high price point they have no one will buy it because there are other sources currently not pumping because they wouldn't be worth it right now, many places with hard or expensive to extract oil from shale are like this. They aren't not selling because they have some smart long term plan where they want to hold their resources to sell for more later, they literally are just so poorly mamaged that it costs them way more than it should to produce a barrel of oil.
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1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
Oh I know. I was just trying to explain my point. I hope O didnt come off as too argumentative.
And I think I see your point. I fear I might have been wrong. Woops
1 siempreloco31 2019-01-28
The issue I have is that it becomes a lazy meme to rely on. Sometimes, the US is just opposed to communism.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
That I can absolutely agree with. "Commies" is the original rallying cry for America to meddle in foreign affairs, where "oil" came later. Chapo has to be able to recognize that, but they, like their podcast hosts, is stuck in the Bush era both when it comes to comedy and geopolitical understanding.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
https://i.redd.it/brf08o1vew5z.png
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
Implying that the top text ever actually happened.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
name a latin american country that made an attempt to nationalize its resources without immediate western intervention homey
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
You first with one country that the first one happened and it wasn't just briefly in the moment between wealth from stealing all the capital of foreign investors and running that resource into the absolute ground like Venezuela.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
ah epic logic my friend simply epic XD
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
I said the top text never actually happened. Then, instead of providing an example you demanded I answer and unrelated question. I'm not going to waste my time doing that.
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
dude we're both posting on /r/drama on a monday at 1 in the afternoon. your time is not valuable and we both know it
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
I'm being paid quite well to shitpost right now, some of,us have good jobs
1 RobertSpringer 2019-01-28
did you just forget that time zones exist or are you actually this retarded?
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
Guatemala post Ubico, pre Eisenhower coup
1 Potatoe_away 2019-01-28
Weird that our “buddies” kicked the price of oil into the gutter in an attempt to destroy the American oil industry then.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
The Saudis serve their own interests, like any country does. Allies will kick eachother in the nuts from time to time if it benefits them. Brits and Americans did it to wachother constantly in the 40s and 50s.
But overall, the Saudis serve American interests more than they do those of America's foreign rivals.
1 Potatoe_away 2019-01-28
We don’t need Venezuelan oil bro, and no President in history has ever put “having cheaper oil on the world market, and thus cheaper gas for citizens” over making more money for oil companies. Trust me, if they did they would have put tariffs on oil during the bust years of the 80’s.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-01-28
i know you don't. Like I've said a half dozen times now, its more about just ensuring that other countries that are not so friendly to American foreign interests don't get oil without having to deal with the World Police, either directly or indirectly.
Its better to have a Venezuela friendly to America than it is to have one friendlier to China or Russia so that America can exert its influence on those countries when they import Venezuelan oil. Same with how it was better for Bush to make an American puppet in Iraq so that they so that the oil that Iraq was already sending to them or to other threats (i.e. the so-called 'Axis of Evil') was now safely under the monitor and influence of America.
1 Potatoe_away 2019-01-28
But Iraqi oil on the world market was bad for American business interest, and a European company got the contract to produce it completely outside of American influence. Just like whomever takes over in Venezuela will be able to sell to whomever they want to. The oil industry doesn’t work like you think it does, in fact the biggest oil companies operating in America aren’t even American owned and they all have heavy foreign investment in them from China.
1 duckraul2 2019-01-28
What exactly do you mean by this?
1 Potatoe_away 2019-01-28
Shell for one, is a Dutch company.
1 duckraul2 2019-01-28
But Shell , or even BP, aren't the top domestic producers of US in Barrels-per-day oil equivalent (both about ~300,000 BPD or less). IIRC that should go to Exxon, Chevron, (in excess of 500,000 BPD) and then probably a bunch of almost entirely US-based smaller producers like Pioneer, Connoco, Anadarko, EOG, Devon, etc.
But then again, Shell and BP, like most oil companies, are shareholder owned, so it's not like a foreign government is operating them in the US or against US interests, or for any other interest that isn't profit motivated. They might have lots of investment from China, but they also have major investment from index funds and people's retirements and pension funds...they're just ok investments to have in a portfolio.
1 aqouta 2019-01-28
Lol no one buys vnzl oil, it costs like twice as much to pull it out if the ground.
1 retarded4bustin 2019-01-28
How do people not know this? Venezuelan oil sucks.
1 2938_throwd 2019-01-28
What, weren’t all the internet commies JUST saying Venezuela wasn’t real Communism and calling it “State Capitalism” when it became obvious to everybody it was a shitshow?
So if it “isn’t real communism” and is an obvious failure, why the fuck are Chapos running to defend Maduro?
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2019-01-28
Because they know it is real Socialism.
1 exsapient 2019-01-28
It's cool when you can actually observe their realization that it's shit then watch them double down because their hatred of CHUDS and people that make more than 50 grand a year trumps living conditions or even a functional society
1 Vladith 2019-01-28
"Me and my brother versus my cousin, my and my cousin versus the world"
1 Ganbazuroi 2019-01-28
Because they know it's real, but always come up with some stupid strawman (like that the soviets weren't communist because they didn't give the means of production to the working class - nevermind that collectivization is the same fucking thing in practice) because they can't admit that bearded kraut idiot from the 19th century was wrong even when every single attempt of putting his ideas to practice in anything larger than a classroom resulted in failure.
1 BestJayceEUW 2019-01-28
Because if america wants him gone, he must be the best thing to ever happen to venezuela
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
usually CTH pisses me off because they make contrarian interpretations of things, without going full-on false news. But this one
is a bridge too far. he has openly stated that he's only assuming the presidency until they can hold new and fair elections
1 MG87 2019-01-28
Honestly we have heard that line a shitload of times before by dictators.
Hell even Julius Caesar claimed that he would be the "temporary Consul of Rome" and then after he deep dicked Cleopatra, and he said "Nah fam, I'm dictator for life now, hey why does it look like you all are hiding knives behind your backs?"
1 GeauxHouston22 2019-01-28
you're not wrong at all, and I'm sure venezuelans are extremely aware of this possibility. but the other side of the coin is Maduro, who you already know for a fact is a despotic dictator
I'd still take the gamble the Guaido is at least POSSIBLY doing this for the good of the country, because you know Maduro isn't.
1 MG87 2019-01-28
Agreed, Guaido is a coinflip, but he is saying the right things(for whatever that's worth), but it would be impressive if he ends up worse than Maduro
1 MehmedIIDidNoWrong 2019-01-28
Socialists rallying around a violent dictator.
Color me shocked.
1 Kazundo_Goda 2019-01-28
More than half of the fuckwits in that subreddit still suck milk from their mothers tits,and then gag the milk from their stomachs while sucking each other's cocks and sell the gagged milk as an alternative vegan milk.
1 MG87 2019-01-28
Nevermind that people have been fucking starving for several months.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2019-01-28
Pretty sure the Maduro govt seized a bunch of American owned oil Refining plants. Then they all shuttered their production, because no one knew how to run them. Leaving a bunch of unemployed people and no oil.
1 Strictlybutters 2019-01-28
Lmao from the same thread chapofags completely discount the opinions of a real life living-in-Venezuela-Venezualean because he speaks English and therefore obviously from privilege.
1 spookyguy109 2019-01-28
Wasn’t he calling for intervention in Syria the other day?
1 ExtremelyOnlineG 2019-01-28
Yea the kurdz are socialist so he doesn't want to see them get BLACKED by turkey, SAA, et al.
1 spookyguy109 2019-01-28
Lol Kurds being socialist might be my favorite bit of 2019
1 FusRoDawg 2019-01-28
Its about rojava for him lol. Not a word about kids in yemen in that article he wrote.
1 ExtremelyOnlineG 2019-01-28
I'm not aware of any Marxist-Leninist kids in yemen....
1 IamSwedishSuckMyNuts 2019-01-28
SNAPPY QUOTE NOW!