On 9/5/18 I met my best friend. Nearly 5 months later she gave birth to a healthy baby boy. Just a reminder that being a father is not about “blood” but about being available with unconditional love and support
i mean, banning cartoon pics of 16-17yos in bikinis is stupid because plenty of actual pics of 16-17yos in bikinis are shown in popular tv shows. id like to ban it all because mayo degenerate shit, but you know consistency would be nice..
Same way as pornography, the difference is purpose. That's the reason medical books aren't pornography despite sometimes containing pretty graphic photos of genitalia.
I don't have a problem with a dad showing a photo of his teenage daughter who happens to be in a bikini, but for another purpose. I have a problem if someone saves it and goes around sharing it because it is a teenager in a bikini.
If what makes a picture worthy of looking at in your eyes is that it sexualizes children, you're a pedophile, period.
yes. and the pictures in question are screenshots of seasonal animes with high school students in bikinis. not pornographic purposes (unfortunately, id like an anime shoah asap). oh well
Again, purpose. If you forbid "fictional teens" from being sexualised entirely, you essentially remove an entire part of human interaction; Teenagers do have sex lives, because you're not gonna make me believe all teen pregnancies are immaculate conceptions. This is doubly true of stuff aimed at teenagers (Which all of these are) where the sexualisation (And I find that word a bit of a stretch in most of your examples besides Brittney, and even then I might be thinking of her non-teenage years) is aimed at being consumed by teenagers, that's not intended to be CP.
And sure, it has to stay reasonable, and I've definitely seen movies I thought were being a bit too insistent on showing teenagers naked and stuff to be totally innocent (Some italian movie about a pedophilia ring comes to mind, I don't remember the name). But at the end of the day, we "need" sexualised children to portray the real world, even without getting into portraying actual pedophilia. I don't support a blanket ban on stuff that could be used as CP.
However there comes a point when the "But it's not inherently CP" argument falls apart, because some people are 100% using those as CP. You're never gonna make me believe a subreddit made entirely of porn of people who look like teens (I'm not even gonna check, I am certain that exists) isn't deeply rooted in pedophilia, and for the same reason, I don't think stuff centered around sexualised teenagers, not simply featuring sexualised teenagers, should be allowed.
Again, I'll agree the ban might be a little too wide. Assuming the given examples are true, no, a father showing his daughter who happens to be in a bikini for unrelated reasons should not be hit. But I don't think a sub' where people (re-)post exclusively such picture to have images of kids to jerk off at should be allowed either, even if they have the implausible defense of "But the picture isn't inherently CP !".
where the sexualisation is aimed at being consumed by teenagers, that's not intended to be CP.
Literally all of the anime referenced in the essay OP linked are pg to pg-13 shows, given that rating by people in America who viewed the content and chose to give it that rating. It is straight up media designed to be consumed for kids or teenagers, just like the vast majority of anime.
because some people are 100% using those as CP. You're never gonna make me believe a subreddit made entirely of porn of people who look like teens
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. Do you mean 18+ actors who "look" like teens? Like it's wrong for people to be attracted to petite, adult women? Or that it's wrong for them to feel attractive to the opposite sex? This is bordering on body shaming, in my opinion, but perhaps you meant something else.
all of the anime referenced in the essay OP linked are pg to pg-13 shows
The MPAA reviews by who it is watchable, not to whom it is targeted. Also, again, a teenager being sexualised in a context where that sexualisation is done for another purpose than CP is fine, if you then only extract the teenage sexualisation to make what amounts to CP, well, it's CP.
Do you mean 18+ actors who "look" like teens?
Yes.
Like it's wrong for people to be attracted to petite, adult women?
Petite adult women and women who legitimately look like kids (Even some with conditions because of which they don't go through puberty or only partially, and yes, some are used in porn) aren't exactly the same.
This is bordering on body shaming, in my opinion, but perhaps you meant something else.
No, see it that way. Say there's a woman who actually didn't go through puberty because of some reason, but is in fact an adult. I have nothing against a guy who falls in love with her, desires her, and, as it happens, has sex with her, because her looking like a kid is entirely irrelevant to all that.
I do have a problem with a guy who one day offers to pay her to have sex with her because she looks like a kid. That man would be a pedophile, because he is attracted to her because she looks like a kid. That would not be the case of her boyfriend, who simply loves his girlfriend.
Again, catering to pedophiles and encouraging their deviancy is the problem, not the act of producing stuff they enjoy (For pedophilic reasons), but for another purpose entirely. And I agree pedophiles aren't pedophiles by choice, that they should be allowed to come forward and receive help, but help to get rid of their urges, not to indulge and reinforce them.
The MPAA reviews by who it is watchable, not to whom it is targeted.
It is targeted to kids and teenagers, the demographic that consumes the most anime. Virtually everyone who is a fan of anime is either a teenager, or someone who got into anime as a teenager and continued to watch it into adulthood.
No, see it that way. Say there's a woman who actually didn't go through puberty because of some reason, but is in fact an adult. I have nothing against a guy who falls in love with her, desires her, and, as it happens, has sex with her, because her looking like a kid is entirely irrelevant to all that.
I do have a problem with a guy who one day offers to pay her to have sex with her because she looks like a kid. That man would be a pedophile, because he is attracted to her because she looks like a kid. That would not be the case of her boyfriend, who simply loves his girlfriend.
This sounds like an exceedingly rare occurrence that would represent an extreme minority of people attracted to small women.
I am a short man, so I typically fall for women who are around my size or smaller. My ex fiance frequently was mistaken for a high schooler, to the point where a liquor store once insisted that her ID was fake. I was attracted to her because she was short (and various other reasons obviously), and I like short women, not because she looked "underage". I also vehemently disagree with the notion that she "looked underage". I think that's an exceedingly cruel and reductive way to describe someone's physical attributes.
Do you think this makes me a pedophile? What if, as a consequence to this body type preference, I find myself attracted to anime girls? Not BECAUSE they are in high school, but because of their body type. Is that pedophilic? Why?
I explicitly explained to you that a woman doesn't look like a child simply because she is petite (To which you agree, since you say you don't think your ex looks underage despite being short), and that loving someone who happens to look like a child, not because they do, is fine.
Watashi wa a victim of cyberbullying. Everyday someone online calls me a "weeb" desu. Watashi won't stand for this. 26 percent of bullying victims are chosen due to their race or religion desu. I may look like a basic white boy, but deep down I am Nihongo desu. Watashi religion is anime. Anata wa bullying me because of my race and religion desu ka? Disgusting desu. Anata should be ashamed of yourself, racist pig. A baka gaijin like anata is probably jealous of my race and culture, cause Nippon is more sugoi than your shitty country desu. Watashi pity anata. You'll never be Nihongo like watashi. I'm a weeb? Pfft. I AM AN OTAKU DESU. Educate yourself on nani a "weeb" is before anata try to insult watashi desu. I WILL NOT BE CYBERBULLIED ANYMORE. REPORTED.
No kids are harmed in the production of it. The argument that loli will lead to actual kiddie diddling is basically just the violent video game argument.
But the real reason to not ban loli is so that I know to avoid these people. If you are into loli you are a perodphile, period.
While I disagree that if you are into lolis you are a pedophile, I respect your opinion and I am happy that there are people who understand that the "I dont like this so I ban it" mentality is dumb
I guess it is a comparison to watching lolis, but then it is a bad comparison that I dont agree with. I much rather use this comparison: Playing violent videogames doesnt make me a murderer
I don’t care if you beat your meat to cartoon kiddy porn but at least own up to it. It’s fucking delusional to think it’s not pedo just because it’s drawn and not actual children
lol nobody besides yourself said playing video games makes you aren’t murderer
But you have to realize that you are clearly showing a preference with the type of porn you jack off to and if you happen to be attracted to minors regardless of them being real or not it’s pretty pedo
You are trying to turn the =x= in a =. So if you are gonna do that, then also accept what I said about violent videogames. (Also my last comment was to show how stupid and discussion closing your comment was)
So you are only fictionaly sexually aroused?
Look, I’m not trying to say there’s no difference between fiction and reality, there clearly is one, but you jacking off is pretty real
Dude if I jerk off to animated dogs fucking you're gonna think I get off to dogs fucking right? Theres no "well its animated so he doesnt really like to watch dogs fuck".
Now replace dogs with Lolis. Lolis are clearly pedophiles, you can live in denial all you want but all lolis are 100% pedophiles.
Honestly its the denial-ism that makes me want side with the banning, because that's no longer just liking your gross shit on your own time. Now its become an attempt to present pedo shit as normal and acceptable, with immunity from judgement. Just the sheer numder of people that refuse to admit that watching child rape is pedophilia is just amazing to me. I've seen threads in r/confessions as well as r/relationship where some someones partner is made to feel like some batshit, moralizing prude because they were disturbed by their weeb SO's rapey child porn cartoons.
At this point, I'd respect them so much more if they just admitted to the obvious and moved on, instead of gaslighting others.
I have zero interest in viewing loli porn, but the argument that if you beat off to lolishit you're automatically a pedophile seems like nonsense to me.
I beat off to cuck porn and incest porn, but I have absolutely zero interest in either fucking my sister or watching some dude fuck my wife. It's a total fantasy that would never translate well to reality.
but the argument that if you beat off to lolishit you're automatically a pedophile.
Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent kids. If yoou like the idea od kid fucking-stimulated or real- that pedophilia. You don't actively have to take part in personally raping kids first.
I beat off to (fictional) cuck porn and incest porn, but I have absolutely zero interest in either fucking my sister or watching some dude fuck my wife.
But you do like watching other people cucking and fucking their family, no? By that logic if you enjoy other people raping kids, that's not pedophilia because you won't partake in it first hand yourself? I'm sorry that doesn't make sense. Pedophilia is attraction, not action. Not all pedophiles are child rapists.
But you do like watching other people cucking and fucking their family, no?
No, I'm pretty sure if it were two people who were actually related I would be turned off by it. I'm attracted to fantasy/fictional incest, not real incest. Same with cuckoldry; I would just feel bad for the other guy.
By that logic if you enjoy other people raping kids, that's not pedophilia because you won't partake in it first hand yourself?
If you enjoy watching actual children get raped, I'd probably say you're a pedophile, yeah. I find it hard to believe lolishit simulates this any more realistically than incest porn simulates actual incest, though.
And Call of Duty then? That is all about killing. The point I am trying to make is that there is a clear gap between reality and fiction. Y'all are trying to close that gap with lolis so if you are gonna close that gap then do it with violent video games too.
There's a difference between playing a game and jerking off to a certain type of porn. One is a hobby that is easy to separate from reality and the other is done for sexual gratification. Clearly people watch the type of porn that gets them off and if cartoon children get you off then you're a pedo.
You can't compare a goal-oriented game to something that you're sexually aroused by. If somebody watches cartoons of scat porn then they're probably into poop. If you're masturbating to loli then you're probably a pedo.
Finally a reasonable argument, but still yes I can. Video games and anime both have a psychological effect (or at least people claim they do). Saying that being attracted to fictional lolis is pedophilia is aknowlediging that reality and fiction lies closely to each other thus playing violent video games makes you violent. Both or none, take it or leave it
Saying that being attracted to fictional lolis is pedophilia is aknowlediging that reality and fiction lies closely to each other thus playing violent video games makes you violent. Both or none, take it or leave it.
Not really. No one said being attracted to prepubescence is the same as committing child abuse. But it is pedophilia. A better comparison-if we're going to stick with depiction of violence- would be if you wank to someone being tortured to death in fiction. That doesn't make you a literal torturer but that does say you're a likely a sexual sadist. And people are allowed to be creeped the fuck out and stay away from people like that.
What you are jacking of to is incestuous. And being incestuous involves action, while pedophilia is not an action,its more analogous to orientation/sexual preference/sexual attraction. If you have the capacity to sexualize child sex thats pedophilia. If you like watching dudes sucking cock and butt fucking, that's gay.
Okay, so I'm not incestuous. Does beating off to incest make me an incest-o-phile, despite being revolted by my actual siblings and having no sexual attraction to them?
Do you think it's possible for someone who watches loli-garbage to not actually be attracted to children, given that anime characters barely even look like humans?
Do you think it's possible for someone who watches loli-garbage to not actually be attracted to children, given that anime characters look more like aliens than humans?
No, they look like 10 year olds. Thats the point.
" Lolicon (ロリコン rorikon), also romanized as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. The term lolicon is a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex" ;[1] it describes an attraction to young or prepubescent girls, an individual with such an attraction, or lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner (also known as ero kawaii), in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga (girls' comics) style.[2][3][4][5]
Outside Japan, lolicon is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi (amateur comics) portrayals of young girls. "
Okay, so I'm not incestuous. Does beating off to incest make me an incest-o-phile
I didn't know that was a word. lol. So depends on the definition.
but you're wrong since most meta-analyses -such as APA's- have actually comproved there is a causal relation between violent video games and increased agression; the degree of the increment and its relation with violence/lethal violence is the subject of discussion. i'd assume a study about lolicon and pedophilia would show similar results.
Video games and anime both have a psychological effect (or at least people claim they do).
They do, but that doesn't change the fact that sexual attraction is a much stronger motivator than fun. Violent video games increase aggression on at least a short-term basis but game-motivated violence is low because there's no strong base drive to go out and kill people like there is with sexual attraction. That's not to say that all pedophiles molest children, but there is a stronger motivation there to do so and to seek out real images of child exploitation, which fuels the industry.
I watch cuck porn, but I don't want another dude to fuck my wife. I watch incest porn, but I have no interest in fucking my sister.
Cucking and taking part in incest are all actions, pedophilia is not action,its more analogous to sexual orientation/sexual attraction like being gay for instance. If you you like to watch gay men suck dick and fuck, its hard to deny that's gay as fuck.
" Lolicon (ロリコン rorikon), also romanized as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. The term lolicon is a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex";[1] it describes an attraction to young or prepubescent girls , an individual with such an attraction, or lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner (also known as ero kawaii), in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga (girls' comics) style.[2][3][4][5]
Outside Japan, lolicon is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi (amateur comics) portrayals of young girls. "
Lolicons are modeled after real human little girls. They represent little girls, not by accident, by design. No you can't want to fuck prepubescent bodies(fictional or real) without being a pedo.
You're sexually attracted to cuckoldry and incest porn, though. People who masturbate to lolis may not want to molest a child, but they are sexually attracted to children.
With cuckoldry and incest you're attracted to the situation. With CP and loli, you're attracted to the type of person. At least in most cases. There's a reason why still images of naked lolis are common
If you've seen anime once in your life it's kind of self-explanatory. Literally no one watches anime and thinks "wow, this is exactly like real people in real situations!" other than literal autists.
And you've ignored it over and over. Just like you did with the rest of my post. Shame that you refuse to engage in good faith, but at least this way it's even easier to make you look stupid.
No, that isn't correct. I'm able to tell the difference between things that work in reality and things that only work in fiction. I'm sorry that you struggle with such a simple distinction.
Playing violent videogames doesnt make me a murderer
Murder is an action. Pedophilia isn't. You don't literally have to commit a crime to be a pedo. If you get off to the idea of fucking kids, you area pedo, its that simple.
Again, the claim is that they're pedos not that they're child molesters or potential child molesters. No crimes being potentially committed still doesn't disprove that they're pedos. If a person is attracted to the idea of sex with prepubescent bodies they're a pedo. Nothing else needs to occur.
I don't get how you can hear or watch kids fucking RAGING and breaking their monitors or punching wholes in things over CoD or Fortnite matches and argue these games aren't making people more violent
You can find people who flip the board when they're losing a game of chess too. I'm not convinced that being a sore loser is caused by fictional violence.
“He shalt not beat thoust meat to gay porn if thou is not gay and if >thou does so he shalt be called faggot by all men and women and >animal alike” (Rom 14,12)
so clearly you are wrong. Besides if you really think that people who get of too little kids, drawn or not, are not pedos than you are just delusional
I guess so, I don’t know what goes through a lesbians head and I don’t really care that much tbh.
But now answer my question: would you call a guy who jerks of to actual kids a pedo?
Lmao "uh, idk" is such a shitty excuse of an answer, try again please.
And anybody who jerks it to actual kids is a child molester.
And since I feel like you'll try to twist this into some really stupid "win", no. I don't think drawings are real, if somebody wants to jerk it to chinese cave drawinga then its none of my business.
I don’t really see the difference between being aroused by pictures of children vs pictures of drawn children tbh. Nobody said it would harm anyone, it’s a victimless crime for fucks sake.
You are not a child molester if you do it, but it’s still pedo af
Whether or not loli is pedo, idk. But as far as I know, uless you have some fucked up taste, if a 3d anime girl came to life, most wouldn't consider it even in the same species as a human, yeah?
That's always what makes me laugh about these lolitards.
Who the fuck says reddit cant ban lolis? Reddit doesnt want pedophiles on their platform so they are taking steps to remove the pedophiles. Why the fuck would Reddit care about the pedophiles screeching about getting kicked out?
Actually nah, I think we should ban /r/drama because I don't like it. Not because there's something wrong with it, but because I personally don't like it.
I think anyone who shows any propensity for pedophilic tendencies should be IMMEDIATELY fucking euthanized by the state. Even if you’re “just into loli” you’re a ticking time bomb because eventually gook cartoons just wont be enough for you.
Yes, because those two things are massively different. Sexual depravity has a slippery slope because you get desensitized and need to seek stronger stimuli for the same result.
You can play the same level in a game a hundred times and you'll still enjoy it (Proof: MMO Grind, Looter games, people with 8000 hours in fighting games).
Try wanking it to the exact same picture a hundred times and tell me you eventually won't look for something stronger.
Plenty of people get bored of a level after playing through it once.
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine.
I've never found this to be true. I've been jerking off to mostly the same vanilla pornhub tier cuck and incest shit for the past 15 years and have no desire to go further.
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
It is far more applicable for people who use porn often.
There are certain go-to videos I still use to this day that I've fapped to probably thousands of times.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it.
Plenty of people get bored of a level after playing through it once.
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine. We know people will go a lot further for sexual gratification that they will for the equavilent of a "level up".
Again, everyone would be a lot more worried If the people got sexual gratification from violent games. Can you imagine why?
I've never found this to be true. I've been jerking off to mostly the same vanilla pornhub tier cuck and incest shit for the past 15 years and have no desire to go further.
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
It is far more applicable for people who use porn often.
There are certain go-to videos I still use to this day that I've fapped to probably thousands of times.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it.
Plenty of people get bored of a level after playing through it once.
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine. We know people will go a lot further for sexual gratification that they will for the equavilent of a "level up".
It's why everyone would be a lot more worried If the people got sexual gratification from violent games.
I've never found this to be true. I've been jerking off to mostly the same vanilla pornhub tier cuck and incest shit for the past 15 years and have no desire to go further.
The ammount of views on non-vanilla videos are all the proof you need that there's a ton of people who do. I assure you not even started with what we now consider "hardcore".
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage.
It's far more applicable for people who use porn often.
There are certain go-to videos I still use to this day that I've fapped to probably thousands of times.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
We know people will go a lot further for sexual gratification that they will for the equavilent of a "level up".
Considering people have murdered others over video games, I feel like they'll go just as far.
It's why everyone would be a lot more worried If the people got sexual gratification from violent games.
Then why is no one worried about violent porn? There is perfectly legal porn out there involving actual sadistic torture and fisting people's assholes until their colons rupture.
The ammount of views on non-vanilla videos are all the proof you need that there's a ton of people who do.
I mean, sure, some people eventually gravitate to weirder porn. Just like how some people who smoke pot will eventually become heroin addicts. This is kind of an exceptional circumstance, though, and doesn't demonstrate the norm. The vast majority of people who consume porn will always consume vanilla porn, that's why it is and always has been the most popular type of porn by far.
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage.
Daily. Same with most people who watch porn.
Yes, but not back to back
Most people don't play the same level in video games back to back either, they play them consecutively. Almost every single person who plays through a game will play through it once and never fucking touch it again. Your argument is nonsense.
Considering people have murdered others over video games, I feel like they'll go just as far.
Except the people who have killed over videogames 99% of time, tend to have issues that go far beyond videogames.
Then why is no one worried about violent porn? There is perfectly legal porn out there involving actual sadistic torture and fisting people's assholes until their colons rupture.
Because usually there's consent in that. People would be a lot more worried if that porn was non consentual.
I mean, sure, some people eventually gravitate to weirder porn. Just like how some people who smoke pot will eventually become heroin addicts. This is kind of an exceptional circumstance, though, and doesn't demonstrate the norm. The vast majority of people who consume porn will always consume vanilla porn, that's why it is and always has been the most popular type of porn by far.
You know there were points where incest and cuckoldry weren't considered vannila right?
Again, sexual stimulation has a very different slippery slope than normal dopamine.
Most people don't play the same level in video games back to back either, they play them consecutively. Almost every single person who plays through a game will play through it once and never fucking touch it again until years later, if they even liked it enough to do that. Your argument here is laughable nonsense.
Are you high or have you never played a videogame in your life?
Have seen the most popular videogames recently? The most popular looter games involve the exact same identical gameplay loop, warframe, destiny, PoE, ect.
Except the people who have killed over videogames 99% of time, tend to have bigger issues that go far beyond videogames, and would have most likely killed over somehting else if they got the chance to, it's not the videogame that made them do it.
Right, just like people who rape and kill others over sex. Congratulations, you're finally figuring it out.
Because usually there's consent in that. People would be a lot more worried if that porn was non consentual.
Are you implying that cartoon porn involves a non-consenting party?
You know there were points where incest and cuckoldry weren't considered vannila right?
I didn't mention incest and cuckoldry in that paragraph. I said vanilla porn, with no other connotation.
The most popular looter games involve the exact same identical gameplay loop, warframe, destiny, PoE, ect.
And? You think most people who play video games are playing this shit? The most popular game today is Fortnight, a game in which literally every match is different due to the nature of multiplayer interaction. The vast majority of people who play video games are not doing the same thing over and over for 1000 hours, you're talking about an exceedingly small minority of gamers.
Right, just like people who rape and kill others over sex. Congratulations, you're finally figuring it out.
Watching kids fuck inherently makes you a pedophile.
Playing a game where you murder people don't make you a murder.
Are you implying that cartoon porn involves a non-consenting party?
A drawing of dudes fucking is still gay porn.
A drawing of children being fucked is still child porn.
Can children consent?
Has anyone told you you have the writing and critical thinking skills of a fucking middle schooler?
Except I'm not wrong you retarded pedophile.
The most popular game today is Fortnight, a game in which literally every match is different due to the nature of multiplayer interaction.
Yeah fuck off with that shit, it's the exact same gameplay loop. Because players have 3IQ points above AI doesn't change that you do the exact same thing over and over.
The vast majority of people who play video games are not doing literally the same thing over and over for 1000 hours, you're talking about an exceedingly small minority of gamers.
Really?
LoL, DotA, Fortnite, Warframe and Destiny are "an exceedingly small minority"?
Watching kids fuck inherently makes you a pedophile.
I don't recall disagreeing with this. Why are you changing the topic? This was initially about sexual depravity being a slippery slope.
A drawing of dudes fucking is still gay porn.
A drawing of children being fucked is still child porn.
Can children consent?
Can drawings of dudes consent?
Except I'm not wrong you retarded pedophile.
You are wrong about some things you're saying, yes. Like the slippery slope fallacy you made about sexual depravity, and cartoons involving a non-consenting party.
You are wrong about some things you're saying, yes. Like the slippery slope fallacy you made about sexual depravity, and cartoons involving a non-consenting party.
No, I'm not. Sexual depravity has a slippery slope.
and cartoons involving a non-consenting party.
Would you call child porn "pixels involving a non consenting party"?
It isn't, no.
It's not that I expect more from pedophiles, but if you're going to deny reality you might as well go for "children can consent".
Yes, but drawings of them can't, because drawings of them aren't actual dudes. This is extremely simple to understand.
No, I'm not
Of course you are.
Would you call child porn "pixels involving a non consenting party"?
Yes. The real child being photographed is the non-consenting party. Photography, of course, is entirely different from a drawing, because a photograph of a child requires a living subject. A toddler could tell you that.
It's not that I expect more from pedophiles
I'm not a pedophile. I have zero attraction to children or to lolis. I'm sorry that you have to invent lies about me to feel better about how stupid I've made you look.
Yes. The real child being photographed is the non-consenting party.
So, is a drawing of child porn, child porn?
Of course you are.
Sexual depravity has a slippery slope. Games don't.
Nobody ever looked for a more violent videogame because mortal combat wasn't cutting it any more.
Many people looked for more hardcore porn due to desensitization.
I'm not a pedophile. I have zero attraction to children or to lolis. I'm sorry that you have to invent lies about me to feel better about how stupid I've made you look.
I don't know what's more pathetic.
Pedophiles, or people who defend them without being peodphiles?
No, real children cannot consent. Drawings, of any demographic, can't consent either.
Sexual depravity has a slippery slope.
It doesn't. I've been watching porn for 15 years and still watch the same old shit I always have. I feel like I already pointed this out. I guess you're going in circles now, aren't you?
Nobody ever looked for a more violent videogame because mortal combat wasn't cutting it any more.
It's funny you say this, when I was a kid I remember getting bored of stomping goombas Mario and wanting to play GTA instead because I got to shoot and murder everyone in it.
Many people looked for more hardcore porn due to desensitization.
Sure, it happens. Not on a scale I would consider meaningful, however. Vanilla porn is still more popular than more depraved shit, and always will be.
Pedophiles, or people who defend them without being peodphiles?
I haven't defended pedophiles. You keep trying to shift the topic away from my original comment back to loli porn and I'm not really sure why. The subject of the OP isn't even about loli porn, and the letter point blank condemns it.
Are you trying to claim that if I drew an adult male dude getting fucked by a horse
No, but I am going to claim that its bestiality porn. Just like two dudes drawn fucking is gay porn, and just like porn involving minors is child porn.
It doesn't. I've been watching porn for 15 years and still watch the same old shit I always have. I feel like I already pointed this out. I guess you're going in circles now, aren't you?
"Well it didn't happen to me so it's not real" is a retard tier argument.
It's funny you say this, when I was a kid I remember getting bored of stomping goombas in Mario and wanting to play GTA instead because I got to shoot and run over everyone in it.
You forgot to mention how that bus started clapping afterward.
Sure, it happens, but not inevitably so, nor on a scale I would consider meaningful. Vanilla porn is still by far more popular than more depraved shit, and always will be. Again, we've been over this. You really are stuck in a loop.
Except one pedophile that wouldn't exist if drawn child porn wasn't legal is meaningful enough.
I haven't defended pedophiles.
No, you just defended child porn, massive difference.
Dude, please stop. I made a joke and you're fucking up my karma hard via proxy.
That being said, the slippery slope argument being used against you is assinine, I'll give you that. Anyone who uses that argument in situations of "social deviancy" never strayed from the straight and narrow path anyway! How would they even know?
I'll give you that. Anyone who uses that argument in situations of "social deviancy" never strayed from the straight and narrow path anyway! How would they even know?
I can't tell if you're pro or anti loli with this comment.
Neither. I suppose looking back I misread your objective. Slippery slope is a term only applicable to politics [imo] so I'm not sure where you're headed.
Sexual deviancy doesn't have that risk. Everyone likes what they like for sure, but you have to find your own line. Branching out etc. I was making fun of the fact that people make the argument "loli shit leads to child molesting" just like people say "violent video games lead to school shootings"
Slippery slope is a term only applicable to politics [imo]
Why? I'd love to hear your take on this.
I was making fun of the fact that people make the argument "loli shit leads to child molesting" just like people say "violent video games lead to school shootings"
I assume you've already read this, but you don't think there's a reason people would be more worried about violent videogames if turned out players got sexual gratification out of them?
I grew up in the D.A.R.E. era in the 90s. Was always told that no matter what, if I ever tried one drug or sip of alcohol I'd be hooked forever and only keep upping the ante til I died. I believed that. Didnt smoke pot until college, which opened my mind to trying some other things. But I never ended up dead in a ditch, praise be.
That being said, I only use slippery slope in terms of politics because it's most applicable there. "We'll just take this away now" okay...wait a bit.
"We want to make this illegal" okay...wait a bit
"Youre no longer allowed to say this/do this" okay... ETC ETC
Why? Some of the most beloved, critically acclaimed animated work of all time comes out of Japan.
I'm rather indifferent to whether or not lolicon gets banned, but you can't honestly believe that banning an entire region from producing animation is a good idea.
That really hits the point of the legal stance of the supreme court. If it's based on a real person, it's child porn. A sub question of that is "why is child porn illegal?
They aren't hurting anyone by masturbating to an image or video." And the answer found was that while true in a direct sense, purchasing or viewing said material directly supports the rapist and producer of the content, so it should be illegal as well and treated as if harming the person directly.
In the case of drawn material with no basis of real humans, the issue comes down to a few things:
Ink and pixels have no age.
Contextually fantasy settings have situations where the age of 18 don't hold up at a legal standpoint. Drawn, written, or filmed. Characters may age faster or slower based on the setting, 2 examples from a popular anime 'that time I got reincarnated as a slime" are goblins - a race that is lucky to live 5 years and start breeding by 1-2, and milim - a 2000 year old half dragon girl who's father was considered a literal immortal deity appears at be a preteen. Both of these examples fail to make sense under the "18+ rule" as a human concept for real life.
Historical periods with different rules regarding age. This is another one that been beat to death. The Bible claims boys become men at 13 and should take wives. Girls in ancient times were expected to take a husband once they got their first period and start popping out babies. Spartans retired from the army at 40 and took early teenage brides. The list goes on and on. Banning historical accounts was also deemed nonsensical.
Taking the previous point about ink having no age, grown women don't all have large breasts. Discriminating against women with flat chests is blatantly sexist. Most Asian women are petite and have smaller chests, not all but most. Not much to say there.
And probably others, but taking all this into account, the supreme court decided that given that the images/videos weren't too realistically drawn/animated and there were no actual children harmed in the creation of the work, that it is legal. A law passed the following year based on that ruling lays out the groundwork for the topic as essentially needing to be found as vile and lacking in any form of scientific, artistic, political, or literary value when considering the work as a whole to be considered illegal.
The topic fascinates me and while the people who drool over this stuff creep me out, I'm happy that being creepy isn't illegal.
I'd agree but we've got actual 3D pedophiles organizing on Twitter, Youtube, Discord, and probably other places too, and they're chomping at the bit for a chance to score points.
The safest thing to do would be to apply the napalm everywhere and sort out the mess later.
That moment in Mario 64 when Mario knocks koopa out of his she'll and he looks so scared and vulnerable in his boxers, and hes just c9mpletely at Mario's mercy 😳
And who is to decide which purposes and intentions are better or worse than others? I personally think murder is worse than rape, so GTA should be more appalling to me than rape erotica. But neither are appalling to me, because I understand that reality and fiction are different. Things are "wrong" when they harm others. Fiction has no victims, so who am I — who is anyone — to judge certain types of fiction to be "wrong"?
You either just don’t understand how the brain works, or you’re purposely being naive.
Sexual attraction and arousal have a completely different effect on the human brain than something like casual entertainment. The effects of sexual stimulation are compared by many researchers to the effects of drugs.
GTA does not try to make your brain associate murder with sexual arousal. Lolicon does attempt to make people’s brains associate children with sexual arousal.
Agreed on all points except the last one. I personally would put it on a quarantined subreddit because there is WAY worse shit allowed openly on Reddit than a few naughty pictures of fictional girls. But if the Reddit mods decide it's somehow more toxic than, say, /r/The_Donald or /r/drama and absolutely cannot be on the site...well it's their house, their rules.
But the real reason to not ban loli is so that I know to avoid these people. If you are into loli you are a pedophile, period.
I wonder how here are defending loli, saying shit like this for plausible deniability, then going to jack off to drawn children on their alt. It doesn't even make sense, they could always have an alt to hide their degeneracy, so it doesn't help you at all.
Loli attracts pedos to Reddit which makes the site worse than it already is. Ban it, they will stop coming at the same rate.
Let’s look at the video game comparison in actual context. Lolicon is specifically targeted to pedophiles or people with pedophilic tendencies.
A video game equivalent would be something like a school shooting simulator targeted to people with schizophrenia. Yes, I do indeed think that game could push its unstable target audience to do terrible things to real people.
I'm really tired of hearing this. If you do two seconds of research you can find why loli porn is a problem. First, there is the issue that loli is believed to lead people into acting upon their feelings. Not only does it normalize sexual relations with a minor for the pedophile, but it also gives them an avenue to do so with children. Organizations like Lighthouse have noted many instances where human trafficking victims in Japan were shown loli porn to prove that they'd done was normal. In Japan specifically, there is a huge issue with CP. Loli porn is right on shelves right next to "Chaku-ero," the real-life version of the loli pictures you see with girls clothed but in compromised positions. The normalization of things through media really does make people take less seriously the repercussions of acting on it and even encourage them to act on it if they obsess over it.
Pedophiles aren't monsters. They deserve the chance to get help and therapy. Sexual abusers, however, are. And sexual abuse is a power thing, not an attraction thing. Pedophiles who act on their urges aren't doing it just because they like kids, they're doing it because they like the power they hold over the kid when they're doing it. Loli gives them the fantasy of that power, and for someone who is truly OK with hurting children, it's an avenue into escalating their abusive personalities.
Except the law as written, sensibly, requires (in complicated legalese) an actual living person to be harmed by the actions of another.
This is intentional. This is why you will be in big trouble for calling the real life police and reporting that your soap opera character was just shot. But this fundamental pillar of law has been deliberately ignored because some people are such squeamish little hand wringers they want to charge a man for 'harming' an inanimate object.
Under this logic we should next charge Pokemon gamers for animal abuse.
Except the law as written, sensibly, requires (in complicated legalese) an actual person to have been harmed.
“In December 2005, Dwight Whorley was convicted in Richmond, Virginia under 18 U.S.C. 1466A for using a Virginia Employment Commission computer to receive "obscene Japanese anime cartoons that graphically depicted prepubescent female children being forced to engage in genital-genital and oral-genital intercourse with adult males". On December 18, 2008, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the conviction, consisting of 20 years imprisonment. The court stated that "it is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists". Whorley appealed to the Supreme Court, but this was denied."
Look at how far you go to defend pedos lol. I don’t care what the law says, if you are okay with drawing nude children for guys to beat off too, you’re a rat who belongs in jail. It makes you sub human, and all of society thinks that.
The fact that this not only made it to court but was upheld on appeal is terrifying because it's an indication the justice system has gone completely fucking nuts.
What they aren't getting is that the fact that they need guidelines to tell them these images are immoral says something deeply troubling about them. Normal healthy people wouldn't have ever posted any of those images, because they would have found them disgusting.
How are those images more immoral than, say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or Twilight? I mean, it's just teenagers in bikinis - something the west shows in media all the time and no one has any problem with.
Keep in mind that all of the anime referenced in the essay OP linked are pg to pg-13 shows, given that rating by people in America (the MPAA) who screened the content for that purpose and chose to give it that rating for consumption in the American marketplace.
Not only is this not an argument that addresses anything I said, but I also did nothing that was bannable. That room temperature IQ you have must suck to live with.
You have no ability to think critically or listen to reason. You haven't read anything I wrote, nor attempted to invalidate it based on the merit of my argument. All you've done so far is stomp around and call me names like a child.
You have zero ground to stand on, you disingenuous cunt.
There is no way you can get consistent moderation without guidelines. Opinions will vary between moderators, between moderators and admins, between users who know the context of an image and those who don't. Or, as the last example shows, between admins and admins.
When you go to a nice restaurant, are there guidelines posted detailing the acceptable level of shit to smear on the table cloths, or if its acceptable to take your cock out and start beating off? No, because these are well understood social norms that only the disturbed violate.
I wouldn't miss lolicon content since I prefer drawings of older anime girls, but I better not be suddenly banned for posting a drawing of a big titted mature anime woman.
My university professors would have a meltdown over this. They were all about conciseness in writing. Don't write 20 paragraphs when it can be equally expressed with "I am a paedophile".
Well thats the problem this guys have small cocks to even fuck women, let alone the balls to defend this sick scummy thing. #teaminceltears #bettergaythanincel #pedosdontbelongeverywheretheygo
If the administration want to be consistent, they have to ban the lgbt from reddit. As they practice and promote sexual abuse on prepubescent children.
Sorry boy world's not fair. You cant hit the gays, but you can hit this neckbeards. Just do it 1984 style direct all your hatred on other groups you can hate. Good thing I read that book in high school its a good manual to actually understand the world.
The desire to engage in sexual activities with children might not be a crime per se, but thinking that does entitle you into sharing virtual space with decent people is definitely offensive ideology. There are places more than willing to harbor these disturbing characters; and you might there obtain addresses for archive sites. That's a win for you, Arthur and Humbert!
By the time End of Evangelion was created, Anno was already having a real life breakdown and part of that was adding in the uncomfortable, nonconsensual masturbation scene to tell weebs "this is you." A sex scene isn't always meant to be titillating.
Apparently that scene was supposed to represent the desperate otaku literally jerking off to the corpse of fictional character.Like "you sick fucks are capable of doing this shit"
And I tend to believe its true because the director Anno received a lot of death threats from fans of the series before the movie aired.
Christ that would be the fucking drama motherload. Can you imagine literally millions of sweaty faggots taking up arms because they can't jack off as easily?
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1 TomMyersComedian 2019-03-02
These people should neck themselves
1 PM_ME_YA_TATTAS 2019-03-02
20+ paragraphs aren't going to happen if all the pictures you defend depict kids in bikinis
1 PotatoPrince84 2019-03-02
I like how they don’t link many of the “controversially removed” pictures.
1 vtesterlwg 2019-03-02
i mean, banning cartoon pics of 16-17yos in bikinis is stupid because plenty of actual pics of 16-17yos in bikinis are shown in popular tv shows. id like to ban it all because mayo degenerate shit, but you know consistency would be nice..
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-03-02
🤔 Yet they all conveniently look under ten
1 vtesterlwg 2019-03-02
nice job imagining people in bikinis as ten
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
We've had 'mothers' at our community swimming pool bring TODDLERS in bikinis. I wish I was making this up.
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1 vtesterlwg 2019-03-02
now hang on a second
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Ayeah...
I even tried reporting them to local CPS but was flat out told that wasn't sexualizing children.
Bull fucking SHIT it isn't. That's the last time I report anything.
1 WombTattoo 2019-03-02
I think that just might be you having brain problems 👐😊
1 JBHUTT09 2019-03-02
It's almost as if average Asian people have smaller builds and most of these characters are Japanese...
1 Nadare3 2019-03-02
Same way as pornography, the difference is purpose. That's the reason medical books aren't pornography despite sometimes containing pretty graphic photos of genitalia.
I don't have a problem with a dad showing a photo of his teenage daughter who happens to be in a bikini, but for another purpose. I have a problem if someone saves it and goes around sharing it because it is a teenager in a bikini.
If what makes a picture worthy of looking at in your eyes is that it sexualizes children, you're a pedophile, period.
1 vtesterlwg 2019-03-02
yes. and the pictures in question are screenshots of seasonal animes with high school students in bikinis. not pornographic purposes (unfortunately, id like an anime shoah asap). oh well
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
What are your thoughts on western media that sexualizes teens, like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, and virtually every R rated teen comedy?
1 Nadare3 2019-03-02
Again, purpose. If you forbid "fictional teens" from being sexualised entirely, you essentially remove an entire part of human interaction; Teenagers do have sex lives, because you're not gonna make me believe all teen pregnancies are immaculate conceptions. This is doubly true of stuff aimed at teenagers (Which all of these are) where the sexualisation (And I find that word a bit of a stretch in most of your examples besides Brittney, and even then I might be thinking of her non-teenage years) is aimed at being consumed by teenagers, that's not intended to be CP.
And sure, it has to stay reasonable, and I've definitely seen movies I thought were being a bit too insistent on showing teenagers naked and stuff to be totally innocent (Some italian movie about a pedophilia ring comes to mind, I don't remember the name). But at the end of the day, we "need" sexualised children to portray the real world, even without getting into portraying actual pedophilia. I don't support a blanket ban on stuff that could be used as CP.
However there comes a point when the "But it's not inherently CP" argument falls apart, because some people are 100% using those as CP. You're never gonna make me believe a subreddit made entirely of porn of people who look like teens (I'm not even gonna check, I am certain that exists) isn't deeply rooted in pedophilia, and for the same reason, I don't think stuff centered around sexualised teenagers, not simply featuring sexualised teenagers, should be allowed.
Again, I'll agree the ban might be a little too wide. Assuming the given examples are true, no, a father showing his daughter who happens to be in a bikini for unrelated reasons should not be hit. But I don't think a sub' where people (re-)post exclusively such picture to have images of kids to jerk off at should be allowed either, even if they have the implausible defense of "But the picture isn't inherently CP !".
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Literally all of the anime referenced in the essay OP linked are pg to pg-13 shows, given that rating by people in America who viewed the content and chose to give it that rating. It is straight up media designed to be consumed for kids or teenagers, just like the vast majority of anime.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. Do you mean 18+ actors who "look" like teens? Like it's wrong for people to be attracted to petite, adult women? Or that it's wrong for them to feel attractive to the opposite sex? This is bordering on body shaming, in my opinion, but perhaps you meant something else.
1 Nadare3 2019-03-02
The MPAA reviews by who it is watchable, not to whom it is targeted. Also, again, a teenager being sexualised in a context where that sexualisation is done for another purpose than CP is fine, if you then only extract the teenage sexualisation to make what amounts to CP, well, it's CP.
Yes.
Petite adult women and women who legitimately look like kids (Even some with conditions because of which they don't go through puberty or only partially, and yes, some are used in porn) aren't exactly the same.
No, see it that way. Say there's a woman who actually didn't go through puberty because of some reason, but is in fact an adult. I have nothing against a guy who falls in love with her, desires her, and, as it happens, has sex with her, because her looking like a kid is entirely irrelevant to all that.
I do have a problem with a guy who one day offers to pay her to have sex with her because she looks like a kid. That man would be a pedophile, because he is attracted to her because she looks like a kid. That would not be the case of her boyfriend, who simply loves his girlfriend.
Again, catering to pedophiles and encouraging their deviancy is the problem, not the act of producing stuff they enjoy (For pedophilic reasons), but for another purpose entirely. And I agree pedophiles aren't pedophiles by choice, that they should be allowed to come forward and receive help, but help to get rid of their urges, not to indulge and reinforce them.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
It is targeted to kids and teenagers, the demographic that consumes the most anime. Virtually everyone who is a fan of anime is either a teenager, or someone who got into anime as a teenager and continued to watch it into adulthood.
This sounds like an exceedingly rare occurrence that would represent an extreme minority of people attracted to small women.
I am a short man, so I typically fall for women who are around my size or smaller. My ex fiance frequently was mistaken for a high schooler, to the point where a liquor store once insisted that her ID was fake. I was attracted to her because she was short (and various other reasons obviously), and I like short women, not because she looked "underage". I also vehemently disagree with the notion that she "looked underage". I think that's an exceedingly cruel and reductive way to describe someone's physical attributes.
Do you think this makes me a pedophile? What if, as a consequence to this body type preference, I find myself attracted to anime girls? Not BECAUSE they are in high school, but because of their body type. Is that pedophilic? Why?
1 Nadare3 2019-03-02
I explicitly explained to you that a woman doesn't look like a child simply because she is petite (To which you agree, since you say you don't think your ex looks underage despite being short), and that loving someone who happens to look like a child, not because they do, is fine.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I asked you more questions than that.
1 gaynazifurry4bernie 2019-03-02
Dan "The starlet sodomizer" Schneider approves
1 corbindallas52 2019-03-02
There’s a lot of pedos in those links.
1 Matues49 2019-03-02
Putting mommie's lunch money to good use
1 The_Pandemonium 2019-03-02
God i fucking hate weebs.
1 ESTLR 2019-03-02
Watashi wa a victim of cyberbullying. Everyday someone online calls me a "weeb" desu. Watashi won't stand for this. 26 percent of bullying victims are chosen due to their race or religion desu. I may look like a basic white boy, but deep down I am Nihongo desu. Watashi religion is anime. Anata wa bullying me because of my race and religion desu ka? Disgusting desu. Anata should be ashamed of yourself, racist pig. A baka gaijin like anata is probably jealous of my race and culture, cause Nippon is more sugoi than your shitty country desu. Watashi pity anata. You'll never be Nihongo like watashi. I'm a weeb? Pfft. I AM AN OTAKU DESU. Educate yourself on nani a "weeb" is before anata try to insult watashi desu. I WILL NOT BE CYBERBULLIED ANYMORE. REPORTED.
1 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2019-03-02
Loli shouldn't be banned.
No kids are harmed in the production of it. The argument that loli will lead to actual kiddie diddling is basically just the violent video game argument.
But the real reason to not ban loli is so that I know to avoid these people. If you are into loli you are a perodphile, period.
1 Named_NPC1 2019-03-02
That's how you know it's not based on any rational concern.
1 MacAndShits 2019-03-02
That's like closing your eyes and pretending it's not there
1 OpticalJesu5 2019-03-02
So they're larping as the future victims.
1 NatieB 2019-03-02
Seems like a worthwhile endeavor.
1 Named_NPC1 2019-03-02
Not if it doesn't accomplish anything but virtue signalling.
1 WeenieHutJrSupreme 2019-03-02
I agree with this tbh. Just let the pedos have their lolis so that everyone is happy.
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
While I disagree that if you are into lolis you are a pedophile, I respect your opinion and I am happy that there are people who understand that the "I dont like this so I ban it" mentality is dumb
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
watching gay anime porn is still gay
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
???
I guess it is a comparison to watching lolis, but then it is a bad comparison that I dont agree with. I much rather use this comparison: Playing violent videogames doesnt make me a murderer
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
I don’t care if you beat your meat to cartoon kiddy porn but at least own up to it. It’s fucking delusional to think it’s not pedo just because it’s drawn and not actual children
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
Then it is fucking delusional to think that playing violent videogames doesnt make me a murderer because it is not real
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
lol nobody besides yourself said playing video games makes you aren’t murderer
But you have to realize that you are clearly showing a preference with the type of porn you jack off to and if you happen to be attracted to minors regardless of them being real or not it’s pretty pedo
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
Let me say this
Reality =×= fiction
Not matter shape or form
You are trying to turn the =x= in a =. So if you are gonna do that, then also accept what I said about violent videogames. (Also my last comment was to show how stupid and discussion closing your comment was)
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
So you are only fictionaly sexually aroused? Look, I’m not trying to say there’s no difference between fiction and reality, there clearly is one, but you jacking off is pretty real
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
Yes you are only aroused by fictional things. Not real things.
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
Wtf the getting aroused part is the problem, not whether or not the kids you watch are real
1 DespisedByWomen 2019-03-02
Dude if I jerk off to animated dogs fucking you're gonna think I get off to dogs fucking right? Theres no "well its animated so he doesnt really like to watch dogs fuck".
Now replace dogs with Lolis. Lolis are clearly pedophiles, you can live in denial all you want but all lolis are 100% pedophiles.
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Honestly its the denial-ism that makes me want side with the banning, because that's no longer just liking your gross shit on your own time. Now its become an attempt to present pedo shit as normal and acceptable, with immunity from judgement. Just the sheer numder of people that refuse to admit that watching child rape is pedophilia is just amazing to me. I've seen threads in r/confessions as well as r/relationship where some someones partner is made to feel like some batshit, moralizing prude because they were disturbed by their weeb SO's rapey child porn cartoons.
At this point, I'd respect them so much more if they just admitted to the obvious and moved on, instead of gaslighting others.
1 DespisedByWomen 2019-03-02
Yeah I'm right there with you, I don't care if they ban it or not, I just enjoy calling them pedophiles and watching them freak out about it.
You gotta be real retarded to think jerking off to animated kids isnt pedophilia.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I have zero interest in viewing loli porn, but the argument that if you beat off to lolishit you're automatically a pedophile seems like nonsense to me.
I beat off to cuck porn and incest porn, but I have absolutely zero interest in either fucking my sister or watching some dude fuck my wife. It's a total fantasy that would never translate well to reality.
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent kids. If yoou like the idea od kid fucking-stimulated or real- that pedophilia. You don't actively have to take part in personally raping kids first.
But you do like watching other people cucking and fucking their family, no? By that logic if you enjoy other people raping kids, that's not pedophilia because you won't partake in it first hand yourself? I'm sorry that doesn't make sense. Pedophilia is attraction, not action. Not all pedophiles are child rapists.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
No, I'm pretty sure if it were two people who were actually related I would be turned off by it. I'm attracted to fantasy/fictional incest, not real incest. Same with cuckoldry; I would just feel bad for the other guy.
If you enjoy watching actual children get raped, I'd probably say you're a pedophile, yeah. I find it hard to believe lolishit simulates this any more realistically than incest porn simulates actual incest, though.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Plenty of people (furries) DO jerk off to cartoon dogs fucking. And almost none of them are interested in watching actual dogs fuck.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
Lmao
Wrong
Kero, never forget.
Search "feral" on any rule34 site (they even have their own, e621).
They dogfuckers
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Small minority. There will always be exceptions.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
No actually it's a majority. Like I said, they dogfuckers.
You don't jack off to horse and dog penises because you're attracted to horse and dog ears or whatever. They want to fuck dogs and horses.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Of course it isn't.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
But of course it is. Go see any furry site for millions of examples of straight animal fucking
1 not_Sombra 2019-03-02
Doing sandbox things in a sandbox environment provided by videogames is different than jerking to drawn children.
If you jerk off to drawn dead mutilated corpses you're still fucked up, regardless of whether or not its drawn.
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
And Call of Duty then? That is all about killing. The point I am trying to make is that there is a clear gap between reality and fiction. Y'all are trying to close that gap with lolis so if you are gonna close that gap then do it with violent video games too.
1 AlveolarPressure 2019-03-02
There's a difference between playing a game and jerking off to a certain type of porn. One is a hobby that is easy to separate from reality and the other is done for sexual gratification. Clearly people watch the type of porn that gets them off and if cartoon children get you off then you're a pedo.
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
You can't compare a goal-oriented game to something that you're sexually aroused by. If somebody watches cartoons of scat porn then they're probably into poop. If you're masturbating to loli then you're probably a pedo.
1 UnoriginalStanger 2019-03-02
Plenty of people go out of their way to kill stuff that you don't have to to reach the goal though?
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
They're still not getting sexual gratification from it.
1 UnoriginalStanger 2019-03-02
Is it a-ok if they get sadistic gratification from it?
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
Finally a reasonable argument, but still yes I can. Video games and anime both have a psychological effect (or at least people claim they do). Saying that being attracted to fictional lolis is pedophilia is aknowlediging that reality and fiction lies closely to each other thus playing violent video games makes you violent. Both or none, take it or leave it
1 Flailing_Weasel 2019-03-02
COPE
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Not really. No one said being attracted to prepubescence is the same as committing child abuse. But it is pedophilia. A better comparison-if we're going to stick with depiction of violence- would be if you wank to someone being tortured to death in fiction. That doesn't make you a literal torturer but that does say you're a likely a sexual sadist. And people are allowed to be creeped the fuck out and stay away from people like that.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Torture porn is a thing, my dude. It's perfectly legal, and I suspect is allowed on reddit, although I haven't looked too far into it.
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
I know. But no one denies that wanking to torture is sadism.So why the insistence that wanking to stimulated kid fucking isn't pedophilia?
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Am I incestuous if I jack off to incest porn (which I do), despite having literally no interest in fucking my sister?
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
What you are jacking of to is incestuous. And being incestuous involves action, while pedophilia is not an action,its more analogous to orientation/sexual preference/sexual attraction. If you have the capacity to sexualize child sex thats pedophilia. If you like watching dudes sucking cock and butt fucking, that's gay.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Okay, so I'm not incestuous. Does beating off to incest make me an incest-o-phile, despite being revolted by my actual siblings and having no sexual attraction to them?
Do you think it's possible for someone who watches loli-garbage to not actually be attracted to children, given that anime characters barely even look like humans?
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
No, they look like 10 year olds. Thats the point.
" Lolicon (ロリコン rorikon), also romanized as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. The term lolicon is a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex" ;[1] it describes an attraction to young or prepubescent girls, an individual with such an attraction, or lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner (also known as ero kawaii), in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga (girls' comics) style.[2][3][4][5]
Outside Japan, lolicon is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi (amateur comics) portrayals of young girls. "
I didn't know that was a word. lol. So depends on the definition.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I've never seen a 10 year old in my life that looked like any anime character. You must live in a weird part of the world.
I made it up for the sake of argument.
1 The_Funk_Man 2019-03-02
but you're wrong since most meta-analyses -such as APA's- have actually comproved there is a causal relation between violent video games and increased agression; the degree of the increment and its relation with violence/lethal violence is the subject of discussion. i'd assume a study about lolicon and pedophilia would show similar results.
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
They do, but that doesn't change the fact that sexual attraction is a much stronger motivator than fun. Violent video games increase aggression on at least a short-term basis but game-motivated violence is low because there's no strong base drive to go out and kill people like there is with sexual attraction. That's not to say that all pedophiles molest children, but there is a stronger motivation there to do so and to seek out real images of child exploitation, which fuels the industry.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I watch cuck porn, but I don't want another dude to fuck my wife. Fantasy doesn't translate well to reality, my dude.
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Cucking and taking part in incest are all actions, pedophilia is not action,its more analogous to sexual orientation/sexual attraction like being gay for instance. If you you like to watch gay men suck dick and fuck, its hard to deny that's gay as fuck.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
But anime characters don't look like humans. I've been attracted to plenty of anime males, but I'm not attracted to males in reality.
1 XCHAPYEG 2019-03-02
They look plenty like humans; child anime characters (lolis) in particular are purposely given all the body characteristics of a real underage person.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
What about the massive subsets of lolishit where the childlike characters are given decidedly non-childlike features, like giant tits?
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
" Lolicon (ロリコン rorikon), also romanized as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. The term lolicon is a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex";[1] it describes an attraction to young or prepubescent girls , an individual with such an attraction, or lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner (also known as ero kawaii), in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga (girls' comics) style.[2][3][4][5]
Outside Japan, lolicon is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi (amateur comics) portrayals of young girls. "
Lolicons are modeled after real human little girls. They represent little girls, not by accident, by design. No you can't want to fuck prepubescent bodies(fictional or real) without being a pedo.
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
You're sexually attracted to cuckoldry and incest porn, though. People who masturbate to lolis may not want to molest a child, but they are sexually attracted to children.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
So, because I masturbate to incest, it means I'm attracted to...sisters/moms?
What?
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
With cuckoldry and incest you're attracted to the situation. With CP and loli, you're attracted to the type of person. At least in most cases. There's a reason why still images of naked lolis are common
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
But there is no "type of person" that is like an anime character. They're completely different than anyone who actually exists.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
Yes there is, a child
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
No, there isn't. Have you ever been around kids in your life? Have you ever watched anime?
Jesus Christ, you can't possibly believe the shit you're saying.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
The first should answer the second in a reasonable world
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
99% of anime characters don't look or act like real people. Not just kids, but ANY real people. Only a shut-in would think otherwise.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
They do though
Do you think having cartoon proportions makes a cartoon child not a cartoon child
Imagine projecting so hard that you think not agreeing with "2D > 3D!" freaks makes you a shut in. Literally the exact opposite is true.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
No, I didn't claim that. Reading comprehension.
Didn't claim that either. Again, reading comprehension. Must suck having a room temperature IQ.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
Then what did you mean
At least I'm not a pedo weeb with a room temp GB sized loli folder
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I meant exactly what I wrote, before you twisted it into something else.
I have zero interest in looking at loli shit, I'm just here to mock stupid people.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
Specify why anime children don't look or act like real children
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
If you've seen anime once in your life it's kind of self-explanatory. Literally no one watches anime and thinks "wow, this is exactly like real people in real situations!" other than literal autists.
Here's an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z30Y572EmCk
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
You've repeated this over and over and over
Projection, I say
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
And you've ignored it over and over. Just like you did with the rest of my post. Shame that you refuse to engage in good faith, but at least this way it's even easier to make you look stupid.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
But he is
What do you think Bugs is if not a bunny
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
A completely implausible cartoon character who doesn't look or act like a real rabbit.
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
The clue to what he is is in the second word. Let me know when you figure it out
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
So you believe that liking bugs bunny is synonymous with liking real rabbits, and vice versa.
Every single rabbit owner is a loony tunes fan, according to you. Right?
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
I think that if you jerk off to bugs bunny you may be a dogfucker
1 Doesnt_Draw_Anything 2019-03-02
Just admit you are a pedo lol
1 SkaterMan 2019-03-02
sorry dude, but at some level - you do
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Not on any level. It's a total fantasy that I would never want to involve my real life with.
1 SkaterMan 2019-03-02
But if you enjoy that fantasy, then at some level, you enjoy and would enjoy the act. It's exactly how it works
No one seeks things out to consume if we dont enjoy them.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
No, that isn't correct. I'm able to tell the difference between things that work in reality and things that only work in fiction. I'm sorry that you struggle with such a simple distinction.
1 SkaterMan 2019-03-02
If you keep watching cuck porn, you'll keep reinforcing your enjoyment of it. Trust me dude, sooner or later you'll be on r/hotwife or something.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Keep projecting, little guy.
1 SkaterMan 2019-03-02
thats what your wife said she calls your dick when we "hung out"
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Murder is an action. Pedophilia isn't. You don't literally have to commit a crime to be a pedo. If you get off to the idea of fucking kids, you area pedo, its that simple.
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
Then I change the "Murderer" word in the sentence To "potential murderer/violent". I worded it bad and I am sorry for that
1 alibarooshni 2019-03-02
Again, the claim is that they're pedos not that they're child molesters or potential child molesters. No crimes being potentially committed still doesn't disprove that they're pedos. If a person is attracted to the idea of sex with prepubescent bodies they're a pedo. Nothing else needs to occur.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-03-02
I don't get how you can hear or watch kids fucking RAGING and breaking their monitors or punching wholes in things over CoD or Fortnite matches and argue these games aren't making people more violent
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
You can find people who flip the board when they're losing a game of chess too. I'm not convinced that being a sore loser is caused by fictional violence.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-03-02
Chess should be banned too
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
Not really. Iirc like 25% of people that read that stuff are lesbians.
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
Lesbians are gay
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
Yeah. For women.
So unless they secretly aren't actually lesbians, how come they would be able to enjoy drawn stuff featuring gay men?
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
Listen up faggot, as the lord said:
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
Well, I guess I shouldn't bother if you're just going to be a retard.
Answer my question. If a lesbian beats off on some random yaoi shlock, would you tell her that she's actually not gay?
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
I guess so, I don’t know what goes through a lesbians head and I don’t really care that much tbh. But now answer my question: would you call a guy who jerks of to actual kids a pedo?
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
Lmao "uh, idk" is such a shitty excuse of an answer, try again please.
And anybody who jerks it to actual kids is a child molester.
And since I feel like you'll try to twist this into some really stupid "win", no. I don't think drawings are real, if somebody wants to jerk it to chinese cave drawinga then its none of my business.
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
I don’t really see the difference between being aroused by pictures of children vs pictures of drawn children tbh. Nobody said it would harm anyone, it’s a victimless crime for fucks sake.
You are not a child molester if you do it, but it’s still pedo af
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
Whether or not loli is pedo, idk. But as far as I know, uless you have some fucked up taste, if a 3d anime girl came to life, most wouldn't consider it even in the same species as a human, yeah?
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
what’s wrong with banning loli? Violent Video games aren’t degenerate in the same way.
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
It is just stupid to ban something just because you dont like it, even if the thing doesnt do any harm in any form.
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
Says who?
1 Groenboys 2019-03-02
I say it. Banning things that you dont like is North Korea status of dumb.
1 holditsteady 2019-03-02
banning anime kiddie porn is just like north korean censorship, got it
1 DespisedByWomen 2019-03-02
That's always what makes me laugh about these lolitards.
Who the fuck says reddit cant ban lolis? Reddit doesnt want pedophiles on their platform so they are taking steps to remove the pedophiles. Why the fuck would Reddit care about the pedophiles screeching about getting kicked out?
1 FireFtw 2019-03-02
Anybody with a fucking brain.
Actually nah, I think we should ban /r/drama because I don't like it. Not because there's something wrong with it, but because I personally don't like it.
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
Go fuck yourself pedo.
1 FireFtw 2019-03-02
lmao, glad you were able to have a conversation like an adult instead of just throwing insults. Well done.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
You're wrong and also a pedophile supporter, if not a pedophile yourself
1 TreLoon 2019-03-02
The Frenchman finally arrives
It's over now, pedocels
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
To display his brilliant logic for all.
1 10IphonesIcarlyyyyyy 2019-03-02
I think anyone who shows any propensity for pedophilic tendencies should be IMMEDIATELY fucking euthanized by the state. Even if you’re “just into loli” you’re a ticking time bomb because eventually gook cartoons just wont be enough for you.
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Yeah I remember my first murder after a couple months playing CalluhDooty. Such a sweet release
/s
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-03-02
Call if Duty does make kids more violent though.
Not because it glorifies violence or anything, but because it makes people fucking rage due to lag and poor weapon balance.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
If people got sexual gratification from violent games everyone would be worried.
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
But if you just get normal gratification from violent games then it's A OK!
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Yes, because those two things are massively different. Sexual depravity has a slippery slope because you get desensitized and need to seek stronger stimuli for the same result.
You can play the same level in a game a hundred times and you'll still enjoy it (Proof: MMO Grind, Looter games, people with 8000 hours in fighting games).
Try wanking it to the exact same picture a hundred times and tell me you eventually won't look for something stronger.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I've never found this to be true. I've been jerking off to mostly the same vanilla shit I've been watching for 15 years.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine.
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
It is far more applicable for people who use porn often.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine. We know people will go a lot further for sexual gratification that they will for the equavilent of a "level up".
Again, everyone would be a lot more worried If the people got sexual gratification from violent games. Can you imagine why?
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
It is far more applicable for people who use porn often.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Except again, sexual stimulation is different from general dopamine. We know people will go a lot further for sexual gratification that they will for the equavilent of a "level up".
It's why everyone would be a lot more worried If the people got sexual gratification from violent games.
The ammount of views on non-vanilla videos are all the proof you need that there's a ton of people who do. I assure you not even started with what we now consider "hardcore".
That also depends on how often you use porn to wank and how much you cool down inbetween porn usage.
It's far more applicable for people who use porn often.
Yes, but not back to back, after you've watched other stuff and gotten bored of them. Try using the exact same video 1000 times in a row and see if you can still get stimulation from it. I bet you haven't been watching the exact same videos for 15 years.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Considering people have murdered others over video games, I feel like they'll go just as far.
Then why is no one worried about violent porn? There is perfectly legal porn out there involving actual sadistic torture and fisting people's assholes until their colons rupture.
I mean, sure, some people eventually gravitate to weirder porn. Just like how some people who smoke pot will eventually become heroin addicts. This is kind of an exceptional circumstance, though, and doesn't demonstrate the norm. The vast majority of people who consume porn will always consume vanilla porn, that's why it is and always has been the most popular type of porn by far.
Daily. Same with most people who watch porn.
Most people don't play the same level in video games back to back either, they play them consecutively. Almost every single person who plays through a game will play through it once and never fucking touch it again. Your argument is nonsense.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Except the people who have killed over videogames 99% of time, tend to have issues that go far beyond videogames.
Because usually there's consent in that. People would be a lot more worried if that porn was non consentual.
You know there were points where incest and cuckoldry weren't considered vannila right?
Again, sexual stimulation has a very different slippery slope than normal dopamine.
Are you high or have you never played a videogame in your life?
Have seen the most popular videogames recently? The most popular looter games involve the exact same identical gameplay loop, warframe, destiny, PoE, ect.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Right, just like people who rape and kill others over sex. Congratulations, you're finally figuring it out.
Are you implying that cartoon porn involves a non-consenting party?
I didn't mention incest and cuckoldry in that paragraph. I said vanilla porn, with no other connotation.
And? You think most people who play video games are playing this shit? The most popular game today is Fortnight, a game in which literally every match is different due to the nature of multiplayer interaction. The vast majority of people who play video games are not doing the same thing over and over for 1000 hours, you're talking about an exceedingly small minority of gamers.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Watching kids fuck inherently makes you a pedophile.
Playing a game where you murder people don't make you a murder.
A drawing of dudes fucking is still gay porn.
A drawing of children being fucked is still child porn.
Can children consent?
Except I'm not wrong you retarded pedophile.
Yeah fuck off with that shit, it's the exact same gameplay loop. Because players have 3IQ points above AI doesn't change that you do the exact same thing over and over.
Really?
LoL, DotA, Fortnite, Warframe and Destiny are "an exceedingly small minority"?
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I don't recall disagreeing with this. Why are you changing the topic? This was initially about sexual depravity being a slippery slope.
Can drawings of dudes consent?
You are wrong about some things you're saying, yes. Like the slippery slope fallacy you made about sexual depravity, and cartoons involving a non-consenting party.
It isn't, no.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Can adult dudes consent?
No, I'm not. Sexual depravity has a slippery slope.
Would you call child porn "pixels involving a non consenting party"?
It's not that I expect more from pedophiles, but if you're going to deny reality you might as well go for "children can consent".
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Yes, but drawings of them can't, because drawings of them aren't actual dudes. This is extremely simple to understand.
Of course you are.
Yes. The real child being photographed is the non-consenting party. Photography, of course, is entirely different from a drawing, because a photograph of a child requires a living subject. A toddler could tell you that.
I'm not a pedophile. I have zero attraction to children or to lolis. I'm sorry that you have to invent lies about me to feel better about how stupid I've made you look.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Can kids consent?
So, is a drawing of child porn, child porn?
Sexual depravity has a slippery slope. Games don't.
Nobody ever looked for a more violent videogame because mortal combat wasn't cutting it any more.
Many people looked for more hardcore porn due to desensitization.
I don't know what's more pathetic.
Pedophiles, or people who defend them without being peodphiles?
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
No, real children cannot consent. Drawings, of any demographic, can't consent either.
It doesn't. I've been watching porn for 15 years and still watch the same old shit I always have. I feel like I already pointed this out. I guess you're going in circles now, aren't you?
It's funny you say this, when I was a kid I remember getting bored of stomping goombas Mario and wanting to play GTA instead because I got to shoot and murder everyone in it.
Sure, it happens. Not on a scale I would consider meaningful, however. Vanilla porn is still more popular than more depraved shit, and always will be.
I haven't defended pedophiles. You keep trying to shift the topic away from my original comment back to loli porn and I'm not really sure why. The subject of the OP isn't even about loli porn, and the letter point blank condemns it.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
No, but I am going to claim that its bestiality porn. Just like two dudes drawn fucking is gay porn, and just like porn involving minors is child porn.
"Well it didn't happen to me so it's not real" is a retard tier argument.
You forgot to mention how that bus started clapping afterward.
Except one pedophile that wouldn't exist if drawn child porn wasn't legal is meaningful enough.
No, you just defended child porn, massive difference.
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
You've done nothing but provide conjecture. I'd love actual evidence that lolicon is a slippery slope into actual cp. Provide some studies perhaps?
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Dude, please stop. I made a joke and you're fucking up my karma hard via proxy.
That being said, the slippery slope argument being used against you is assinine, I'll give you that. Anyone who uses that argument in situations of "social deviancy" never strayed from the straight and narrow path anyway! How would they even know?
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
I can't tell if you're pro or anti loli with this comment.
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Ai-san's my waifu, clear?
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
I'm just wondering at which argument were you refering to as illogal.
"Sexual deviancy will lead to a slippery slope" or "Sexual deviancy is just like videogame violence"
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Neither. I suppose looking back I misread your objective. Slippery slope is a term only applicable to politics [imo] so I'm not sure where you're headed.
Sexual deviancy doesn't have that risk. Everyone likes what they like for sure, but you have to find your own line. Branching out etc. I was making fun of the fact that people make the argument "loli shit leads to child molesting" just like people say "violent video games lead to school shootings"
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Why? I'd love to hear your take on this.
I assume you've already read this, but you don't think there's a reason people would be more worried about violent videogames if turned out players got sexual gratification out of them?
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
I grew up in the D.A.R.E. era in the 90s. Was always told that no matter what, if I ever tried one drug or sip of alcohol I'd be hooked forever and only keep upping the ante til I died. I believed that. Didnt smoke pot until college, which opened my mind to trying some other things. But I never ended up dead in a ditch, praise be.
That being said, I only use slippery slope in terms of politics because it's most applicable there. "We'll just take this away now" okay...wait a bit.
"We want to make this illegal" okay...wait a bit
"Youre no longer allowed to say this/do this" okay... ETC ETC
Cheers!
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Well, how do you think the most depraved fetishes popped up if not desensitization and slippery slope?
Someone just woke up one day and decided "Today I'm into interacial ampute midget gangbang cum inflation"?
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Because like any industry it's profit-driven. You're trying to apply morals to an industry with none.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Industries are driven by consumer demand though.
1 kregmaffews 2019-03-02
Be sure, I'm on your side when we're talking this deep level. I don't claim to understand it, never will.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Whatever, as long as you're not pro child porn it's fine by me.
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
Do you think lolicon is equivalent to cp?
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Do you think a drawing of two dudes fucking is gay porn?
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
It isn't equivalent to the real thing.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
Is a drawing two dudes fucking gay porn yes or no?
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
Is lolicon cp yes or no?
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
It is pornography depicting children having sexual acts done to them, so yes it absolutely is child porn.
Just like a drawing of two dudes fucking is gay porn.
1 VexedReprobate 2019-03-02
Have you got actual evidence to prove your point?
1 weChatThrowAway 2019-03-02
Found the pedo
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
This but completely unironically.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-03-02
Politicians should have to sign this pledge before being allowed to run for office
1 KingNothing305 2019-03-02
Just look at furies how many of them want to fuck animals... no wait bad example.
1 grep_var_log 2019-03-02
Loli is the High Fructose Corn Syrup of pedophilia. Sure, it isn't technically sugar but it still makes you a fat.
1 FreshHotDogWater 2019-03-02
☝️☝️☝️
😂😂😂
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
Wrong.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Why? Some of the most beloved, critically acclaimed animated work of all time comes out of Japan.
I'm rather indifferent to whether or not lolicon gets banned, but you can't honestly believe that banning an entire region from producing animation is a good idea.
1 Katnissy 2019-03-02
Imagine taking a joke this seriously lmao
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Who hurt you?
1 Katnissy 2019-03-02
Who hurt you enough to be commenting on every response on this thread vehemently defending anime and lolis yet you're 'indifferent' 😂
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Nope. Check again.
I don't care if loli garbage gets banned because I don't consume or enjoy it. That doesn't mean I can't shut down brainless reactionaries.
1 Mini_Gaunt 2019-03-02
👏stop👏downvoting👏lolcows👏
1 Ferocetis 2019-03-02
Who let him in?
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
I’m not joking.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Why not answer my question then, you coward?
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
Pedo.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
I'm not. I have zero attraction to children or loli porn. You're a disingenuous coward, though.
1 ryandanegayin 2019-03-02
Weebcide when?
1 redmugofcoffee 2019-03-02
What if it was a drawing of your kid 🤔
1 DovesOfWar 2019-03-02
don't tell me they're coming after my incest anime too?
1 fAP6rSHdkd 2019-03-02
That really hits the point of the legal stance of the supreme court. If it's based on a real person, it's child porn. A sub question of that is "why is child porn illegal?
They aren't hurting anyone by masturbating to an image or video." And the answer found was that while true in a direct sense, purchasing or viewing said material directly supports the rapist and producer of the content, so it should be illegal as well and treated as if harming the person directly.
In the case of drawn material with no basis of real humans, the issue comes down to a few things:
Ink and pixels have no age.
Contextually fantasy settings have situations where the age of 18 don't hold up at a legal standpoint. Drawn, written, or filmed. Characters may age faster or slower based on the setting, 2 examples from a popular anime 'that time I got reincarnated as a slime" are goblins - a race that is lucky to live 5 years and start breeding by 1-2, and milim - a 2000 year old half dragon girl who's father was considered a literal immortal deity appears at be a preteen. Both of these examples fail to make sense under the "18+ rule" as a human concept for real life.
Historical periods with different rules regarding age. This is another one that been beat to death. The Bible claims boys become men at 13 and should take wives. Girls in ancient times were expected to take a husband once they got their first period and start popping out babies. Spartans retired from the army at 40 and took early teenage brides. The list goes on and on. Banning historical accounts was also deemed nonsensical.
Taking the previous point about ink having no age, grown women don't all have large breasts. Discriminating against women with flat chests is blatantly sexist. Most Asian women are petite and have smaller chests, not all but most. Not much to say there.
And probably others, but taking all this into account, the supreme court decided that given that the images/videos weren't too realistically drawn/animated and there were no actual children harmed in the creation of the work, that it is legal. A law passed the following year based on that ruling lays out the groundwork for the topic as essentially needing to be found as vile and lacking in any form of scientific, artistic, political, or literary value when considering the work as a whole to be considered illegal.
The topic fascinates me and while the people who drool over this stuff creep me out, I'm happy that being creepy isn't illegal.
1 LongPostBot 2019-03-02
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1 speaksamerican 2019-03-02
I'd agree but we've got actual 3D pedophiles organizing on Twitter, Youtube, Discord, and probably other places too, and they're chomping at the bit for a chance to score points.
The safest thing to do would be to apply the napalm everywhere and sort out the mess later.
1 AntiLuke 2019-03-02
Counterpoint to to violent videogame angle: if people got sexual gratification from violent games everyone would be worried.
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
I hate when people say this on reddit but: This.
1 HamsterGutz1 2019-03-02
Literally came here to say this
1 speaksamerican 2019-03-02
Actual 300 IQ take
1 Party_Independence 2019-03-02
Ban gamers by Allah
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
People do get sexual gratification from violent porn, though.
1 snallygaster 2019-03-02
The vast majority of gamers aren't getting off to violence, though. At least I hope they aren't.
1 e-guy 2019-03-02
what are you talking about? Every time I goomba stomp in Mario I cum a little bit
1 Alkerio 2019-03-02
That moment in Mario 64 when Mario knocks koopa out of his she'll and he looks so scared and vulnerable in his boxers, and hes just c9mpletely at Mario's mercy 😳
1 FireFtw 2019-03-02
Hell of an assumption to make that nobody has ever gotten off to violently murdering people in video games.
1 XCHAPYEG 2019-03-02
Unlike porn, that’s not the intention of the games.
1 JBHUTT09 2019-03-02
I disagree. The intention of games and porn is the same as all forms of entertainment: to entertain.
1 XCHAPYEG 2019-03-02
Pornography’s purpose is to sexually arouse by definition.
Pornography - the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
1 JBHUTT09 2019-03-02
Which is, I argue, a form of entertainment.
1 XCHAPYEG 2019-03-02
I reject that argument. But even if one thinks that, they’re forms of “entertainment” with entirely different purposes and intentions.
1 JBHUTT09 2019-03-02
And who is to decide which purposes and intentions are better or worse than others? I personally think murder is worse than rape, so GTA should be more appalling to me than rape erotica. But neither are appalling to me, because I understand that reality and fiction are different. Things are "wrong" when they harm others. Fiction has no victims, so who am I — who is anyone — to judge certain types of fiction to be "wrong"?
1 XCHAPYEG 2019-03-02
You either just don’t understand how the brain works, or you’re purposely being naive.
Sexual attraction and arousal have a completely different effect on the human brain than something like casual entertainment. The effects of sexual stimulation are compared by many researchers to the effects of drugs.
GTA does not try to make your brain associate murder with sexual arousal. Lolicon does attempt to make people’s brains associate children with sexual arousal.
1 JBHUTT09 2019-03-02
You are seriously underestimating people's ability to differentiate between reality and fiction. That's the bottom line here.
1 Zozbot 2019-03-02
zoz
1 Zozbot 2019-03-02
zle
1 Zozbot 2019-03-02
zozzle
1 MarioThePumer 2019-03-02
One of the two is literally designed for people to jack off two, are you fucking kidding me
1 prizzle92 2019-03-02
the god of war girls gave me a chub. also bloodrayne
1 7InTheMorning 2019-03-02
With with that logic, since a great deal of women fet off on rape fantasies, do you think they actually want to get raped?
Of course not, right?
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Agreed on all points except the last one. I personally would put it on a quarantined subreddit because there is WAY worse shit allowed openly on Reddit than a few naughty pictures of fictional girls. But if the Reddit mods decide it's somehow more toxic than, say, /r/The_Donald or /r/drama and absolutely cannot be on the site...well it's their house, their rules.
1 PeskyPapaya 2019-03-02
I wonder how here are defending loli, saying shit like this for plausible deniability, then going to jack off to drawn children on their alt. It doesn't even make sense, they could always have an alt to hide their degeneracy, so it doesn't help you at all.
Loli attracts pedos to Reddit which makes the site worse than it already is. Ban it, they will stop coming at the same rate.
1 _Hospitaller_ 2019-03-02
Let’s look at the video game comparison in actual context. Lolicon is specifically targeted to pedophiles or people with pedophilic tendencies.
A video game equivalent would be something like a school shooting simulator targeted to people with schizophrenia. Yes, I do indeed think that game could push its unstable target audience to do terrible things to real people.
1 Forestalld 2019-03-02
loli doesn't need to be banned but people who consume it need to be shot.
1 GirlLover50 2019-03-02
Start with /u/WatermelonMcNuggets
1 onlyonebread 2019-03-02
Yeah it should work like a trap
Don't get rid of it, use it to snuff out the pedos so we can remove them
1 fsdgfhk 2019-03-02
ftfy
1 cervix_piledriver 2019-03-02
loli shouldnt be banned because there is no victim but also because its mere existence causes cataclysmic levels of anal anguish.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
It also shows who can actually use their brain and who's still mentally stuck at the 3rd grade like Steve_French.
1 DragonDDark 2019-03-02
Happy cakeday.
1 bubblegumpandabear 2019-03-02
I'm really tired of hearing this. If you do two seconds of research you can find why loli porn is a problem. First, there is the issue that loli is believed to lead people into acting upon their feelings. Not only does it normalize sexual relations with a minor for the pedophile, but it also gives them an avenue to do so with children. Organizations like Lighthouse have noted many instances where human trafficking victims in Japan were shown loli porn to prove that they'd done was normal. In Japan specifically, there is a huge issue with CP. Loli porn is right on shelves right next to "Chaku-ero," the real-life version of the loli pictures you see with girls clothed but in compromised positions. The normalization of things through media really does make people take less seriously the repercussions of acting on it and even encourage them to act on it if they obsess over it.
Pedophiles aren't monsters. They deserve the chance to get help and therapy. Sexual abusers, however, are. And sexual abuse is a power thing, not an attraction thing. Pedophiles who act on their urges aren't doing it just because they like kids, they're doing it because they like the power they hold over the kid when they're doing it. Loli gives them the fantasy of that power, and for someone who is truly OK with hurting children, it's an avenue into escalating their abusive personalities.
1 King_Drumpf 2019-03-02
"I'm not attracted to minors, now here's a 3 page essay on why I need my cartoon drawings of minors."
1 ExtremeMaduroFan 2019-03-02
“and here are three images that were removed to support my point but they still depict minors naked or in bikinis and are pedo af”
1 TrapNekoLoli 2019-03-02
Fuck I wanted to post this first. Anyway, as you can see, banning lolis is a violation of my human rights and racist against my culture, weeb culture.
1 vivisection_is_love 2019-03-02
Reddit gets worse by the day
1 holditsteady 2019-03-02
just not this day
1 strathmeyer 2019-03-02
The logic is "we asked them if we could post kiddie porn and they said yes."
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
You cannot make CP of fictional characters, by legal definition.
Even if the idiot courts in Canada are trying to nail some schmuck for possessing a body pillow.
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-03-02
Shut up pedo.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Shut up incel.
1 Dogcheese- 2019-03-02
Shut up libtard
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Shut up communist.
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-03-02
Shut up weeb
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Shut up fascist.
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-03-02
Projecting? We all know no woman will touch you when she finds out you like looking at drawing of children with little to no clothes on.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Shut up retard.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
Pedo cope
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
TIL Canada is the greatest country in the world.
Praise Based Justin Trudeau
1 nahmate77 2019-03-02
Just because it’s a fictional kid doesn’t make you any less of a freak worth of jail time
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Except the law as written, sensibly, requires (in complicated legalese) an actual living person to be harmed by the actions of another.
This is intentional. This is why you will be in big trouble for calling the real life police and reporting that your soap opera character was just shot. But this fundamental pillar of law has been deliberately ignored because some people are such squeamish little hand wringers they want to charge a man for 'harming' an inanimate object.
Under this logic we should next charge Pokemon gamers for animal abuse.
1 _Hospitaller_ 2019-03-02
“In December 2005, Dwight Whorley was convicted in Richmond, Virginia under 18 U.S.C. 1466A for using a Virginia Employment Commission computer to receive "obscene Japanese anime cartoons that graphically depicted prepubescent female children being forced to engage in genital-genital and oral-genital intercourse with adult males". On December 18, 2008, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the conviction, consisting of 20 years imprisonment. The court stated that "it is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists". Whorley appealed to the Supreme Court, but this was denied."
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Goddamn. The Supreme(ly Pathetic) Court even denied his appeal? I didn't see how it had ended.
Well there you go ladies and gentlemen. It is now a jailable offense to harm a nonexistent being according to your duly appointed "law"makers.
1 AlveolarPressure 2019-03-02
Yeah but none of those make you a disgusting pedo except for loli
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Fixed.
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1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
No, you're a pedo and all pedos deserve the wall no matter what
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
You're a Nazi. Hey, this labeling stuff is easy.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
Cope all you want, but you're attracted to children lmao
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
The Nazi retard steve speaks again! Hi steve?
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
This is hypercope
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Now that's metacope right there.
1 Doesnt_Draw_Anything 2019-03-02
Is everyone who thinks you are a pedo, a Nazi?
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Or a retard.
1 nahmate77 2019-03-02
Look at how far you go to defend pedos lol. I don’t care what the law says, if you are okay with drawing nude children for guys to beat off too, you’re a rat who belongs in jail. It makes you sub human, and all of society thinks that.
1 Iceykitsune2 2019-03-02
Except that under this same logic, your could he charged with murder for every video game enemy you ever killed.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Exactly.
The fact that this not only made it to court but was upheld on appeal is terrifying because it's an indication the justice system has gone completely fucking nuts.
1 Doesnt_Draw_Anything 2019-03-02
Only one of those is jerking it to pictures of children
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Look how far the little incel goes to make a fool of himself. Go rope.
1 nahmate77 2019-03-02
The dude who jerks it to kids is calling me an incel
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
The retard who can't read posts is calling people pedos. Go back to special class, retard.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
Are you going to follow him to class to peep all those cute 3rd graders?
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
No but i might offer a reward to whoever posts your physical address.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
So you can do nothing with it?
1 LogoutAndNeverReturn 2019-03-02
Canada sounds awesome.
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
If you draw a picture of two dudes fucking, is it gay porn?
1 holditsteady 2019-03-02
where are all you pedos coming from, were you here the whole time?
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
I don't know, where are you coming from? Isn't mommy keeping an eye on your computer use?
1 holditsteady 2019-03-02
eww are you imagining me as a child. youre gross dude
1 2029393029e9e 2019-03-02
Weebs on life support
1 theidiot221 2019-03-02
pull the plug
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
What they aren't getting is that the fact that they need guidelines to tell them these images are immoral says something deeply troubling about them. Normal healthy people wouldn't have ever posted any of those images, because they would have found them disgusting.
1 artbaselinthebezel 2019-03-02
Who cares if they're immoral
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
This is a secular humanist sub, you can take your lack of values back to /r/The_Chapo with all the other pedophiles.
1 Ghdust2 2019-03-02
Most sane people
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
A Chapo pedophile? Are you a commie because under communism, everyone will be treated the same, including kids, meaning you could legally rape them?
1 hopfield 2019-03-02
You could say the same thing about any kink
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
Sorry, there's a difference between a kink and a pathological need to attack children.
1 hopfield 2019-03-02
What children are being attacked here?
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
Its like talking to a sociopath; you're incapable of telling right from wrong.
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
"What children are being attacked here?"
"WTF YOU MUST BE A SOCIOPATH WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!?"
I have never seen a cope as hard as this.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
If you want to see an even harder cope, click here
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
Oh no now he's seething. Try a little harder next time sweaty, maybe you'll make a little more sense then.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
Oh I get it, this is a /r/subredditsimulator account just constructing sentences from commonly used phrases
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
Lmao I love that you have such a low opinion of yourself that you think you can even get BTFO by a bot.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
What are you expecting me to seriouspost like you?
Seethe more retard
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
Based retardbro.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
How are those images more immoral than, say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or Twilight? I mean, it's just teenagers in bikinis - something the west shows in media all the time and no one has any problem with.
Keep in mind that all of the anime referenced in the essay OP linked are pg to pg-13 shows, given that rating by people in America (the MPAA) who screened the content for that purpose and chose to give it that rating for consumption in the American marketplace.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
I'm glad you perverts are making it easy to identify you to the admins.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Not only is this not an argument that addresses anything I said, but I also did nothing that was bannable. That room temperature IQ you have must suck to live with.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
There are people with IQs of 80 who contribute to society and don't victimise children, so honestly they lead better lives than you do.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
Based on your description of them, they lead exactly the same type of life I live, minus the 80 IQ part.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
Right, forgot I was dealing with a sociopath here. I guess everyone is the protagonist of their own story, even card-carrying NAMBLA members.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
You have no ability to think critically or listen to reason. You haven't read anything I wrote, nor attempted to invalidate it based on the merit of my argument. All you've done so far is stomp around and call me names like a child.
You have zero ground to stand on, you disingenuous cunt.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
New snapshillbot quote?
1 Doesnt_Draw_Anything 2019-03-02
U r a pedo
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
But I'm not attracted to children or lolis.
What's with you babies just screeching "pedo" at everyone you don't like?
1 Bainos 2019-03-02
There is no way you can get consistent moderation without guidelines. Opinions will vary between moderators, between moderators and admins, between users who know the context of an image and those who don't. Or, as the last example shows, between admins and admins.
1 SuperObviousShill 2019-03-02
When you go to a nice restaurant, are there guidelines posted detailing the acceptable level of shit to smear on the table cloths, or if its acceptable to take your cock out and start beating off? No, because these are well understood social norms that only the disturbed violate.
1 ArlenBilldozer 2019-03-02
Imagine your mouth watering about lolis so much that you write the Ninety-five Theses about it on Reddit. Who the fuck are these people? Holy shit.
1 olongjohnson91 2019-03-02
The letter doesn't defend lolis. It even admits that it agrees they should be banned.
1 type_E 2019-03-02
I wouldn't miss lolicon content since I prefer drawings of older anime girls, but I better not be suddenly banned for posting a drawing of a big titted mature anime woman.
1 -Dionysus 2019-03-02
My university professors would have a meltdown over this. They were all about conciseness in writing. Don't write 20 paragraphs when it can be equally expressed with "I am a paedophile".
1 2402a7b7f239666e4079 2019-03-02
Gas the pedos.
1 Party_Independence 2019-03-02
You know it'd have never been an issue if they stuck to women old enough or drew them developed enough.
1 UrbanGlade85 2019-03-02
Well thats the problem this guys have small cocks to even fuck women, let alone the balls to defend this sick scummy thing. #teaminceltears #bettergaythanincel #pedosdontbelongeverywheretheygo
pedos worst untermensch
1 WomenRnpcs 2019-03-02
If the administration want to be consistent, they have to ban the lgbt from reddit. As they practice and promote sexual abuse on prepubescent children.
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-03-02
Just no.
1 WomenRnpcs 2019-03-02
Prove me wrong
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
LGBT are actually the master race
1 WomenRnpcs 2019-03-02
Master of mental illness, stds, and pedophilia
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
No that would be wh*tes
1 WomenRnpcs 2019-03-02
Are you a jew or a useful idiot?
1 -Steve_French- 2019-03-02
Mayo cope. Wh*yes have the worst features. They're an evolutionary abomination
1 Mabelisstrange 2019-03-02
I think you typed something so stupid you actually killed me. What kind of clinical hell is this?
1 1029384756-mk2 2019-03-02
What about this?
1 holditsteady 2019-03-02
the mods took away my underage cartoon porn, this is the last stand!!!!
1 CantWakeUpJPG 2019-03-02
Bold strategy, my dude. 🤔
1 UrbanGlade85 2019-03-02
Sorry boy world's not fair. You cant hit the gays, but you can hit this neckbeards. Just do it 1984 style direct all your hatred on other groups you can hate. Good thing I read that book in high school its a good manual to actually understand the world.
1 Ferocetis 2019-03-02
The desire to engage in sexual activities with children might not be a crime per se, but thinking that does entitle you into sharing virtual space with decent people is definitely offensive ideology. There are places more than willing to harbor these disturbing characters; and you might there obtain addresses for archive sites. That's a win for you, Arthur and Humbert!
Simply put: be gone, monster!
1 LedinToke 2019-03-02
weebs are proof that two nukes just wasn't enough
1 marty_eraser 2019-03-02
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/038/094/0a1.jpg
1 LN2482 2019-03-02
the amount of anime freaks defending their child porn is pathetic
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2019-03-02
the evangelion sub signed this letter because of course they did
even the creator got pissed off that the fanbase was sexualizing rei lol
1 rudecrib 2019-03-02
Where can i read more about this?
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2019-03-02
https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/5esnnt/does_anno_actually_hate_rei_and_her_fanbase/
1 rudecrib 2019-03-02
lmao thanks dude. It seems like weebs pissing off their creators is a pattern at this point.
1 Ferocetis 2019-03-02
Hmm, deconstructing weeb stuff; I am thinking it! I am considering it!
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
Despite the fact that he wrote in a young character beating their meat over another young character who was in a coma?
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2019-03-02
By the time End of Evangelion was created, Anno was already having a real life breakdown and part of that was adding in the uncomfortable, nonconsensual masturbation scene to tell weebs "this is you." A sex scene isn't always meant to be titillating.
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
Right I get you. Dude must be pretty fucked up in the head though.
1 ESTLR 2019-03-02
Apparently that scene was supposed to represent the desperate otaku literally jerking off to the corpse of fictional character.Like "you sick fucks are capable of doing this shit"
And I tend to believe its true because the director Anno received a lot of death threats from fans of the series before the movie aired.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Yeah so basically he's a hypocrite like all the people who think pictures of nonexistent kids = CP.
1 Mabelisstrange 2019-03-02
Just ban porn on reddit in general. What's the point of it?
1 The_Pandemonium 2019-03-02
All the little fags who do nothing productive in their life will freak the fuck out.
1 want-dick-in-butt-xd 2019-03-02
Christ that would be the fucking drama motherload. Can you imagine literally millions of sweaty faggots taking up arms because they can't jack off as easily?
1 raltov431 2019-03-02
I have a right to lolis that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
1 Cade_Connelly_13 2019-03-02
Ban porn on reddit and you'll have a mass user migration like never before.
1 POOPISTRUMP 2019-03-02
Anyone jerking off to this shit is a fucking creep that needs to be taken out and pushed off a bridge.
1 ToTheNintieth 2019-03-02
I have no idea why cartoon child porn is their hill to die on.
1 sea_lecture 2019-03-02
>weebs
>being retarded
goes hand in hand
1 GirlLover50 2019-03-02
/u/WatermelonMcNuggets must be “literally shaking rn” that his precious cartoon cp is being taken away from him 😂
1 Metatron58 2019-03-02
How Lee fuck you were not kidding about the 20 paragraphs. Only a desperate neckbeard weeb could be this genetically defective.
1 checker200 2019-03-02
There is way too much serious posting in this thread, calm down and laugh at the pedos
1 HarryD52 2019-03-02
loli posts always seem to draw out serious posts from both sides.
1 Van-Diemen 2019-03-02
Who's more subhuman? Weebs or furries?
1 Unkleseanny 2019-03-02
Sexualizing kids isn't cool. No exceptions.
1 Ilikewaterandjuice 2019-03-02
How do you get at the age of a tentacle?
1 Lupusvorax 2019-03-02
Interesting that topminds had this thread's title verbatim in the list of subs linked to that shit show.
1 AzusagawaKaede 2019-03-02
Sounds like rhetoric of /r/the_reddit
1 LifeAsSkeletor 2019-03-02
Unstoppable Force: Reddit admins and powermods who totally know what's best for you.
Immovable Wall: Is this literal drawing over 18 years old?
1 LifeAsSkeletor 2019-03-02
OI YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT DRAWRIN?
1 otherwiseyep 2019-03-02
why hasnt drama cosigned this petition
1 Purple_Gh0st 2019-03-02
Wow the comments here are deplorable, no wonder this subreddit is called drama. At least I now know this place is cancer to be avoided.