Seriouspost: A lot of people say to shop locally versus at larger retailers because you would be supporting small businesses and families but why does that responsibility fall on the consumer? I'm interested in getting the best deal, not paying for the owner's daughter's college fund.
59 2019-04-07 by MasterLawlz
It's not that I'm opposed to shopping at small businesses but I don't understand why I should support a business specifically because they are small. I really don't care about every business owner's sob story or where my money would be going. I'm interested in getting the best product or service for my money and if that means shopping on Amazon then that's where my money will go.
Now, in some cases that would be at a locally owned business. Family restaurants will almost always have better food than large chains. Local mechanic shops will be significantly cheaper than going to the dealership. I'm more than happy to give those businesses my money but only because that's where it makes the most sense going, not because I care about the owners on a personal level.
Plus, almost every large chain originated as a small business anyway. McDonald's was some rinky dink little burger joint until Ray Kroc built it into an empire. There was an episode of South Park where they decided to all shop small but this ended up making the small business into a Walmart-level corporation so then they had to start all over.
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1 FullPoet 2019-04-07
Who cares lmao
1 ubermanwolf 2019-04-07
Maybe their daughter(male) will fuck you for it
1 WarSanchez 2019-04-07
Not even if she was a r3t@rd would she do that.
1 Wololol0w 2019-04-07
>Not stealing
Remove mayo from premises
1 hi_0 2019-04-07
Congrats you discovered what capitalism is
1 shaneoffline 2019-04-07
more like crapitalism
1 dongslayer6669 2019-04-07
How can burgers ever recover?
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-04-07
It falls on the customer if you’re a decent human being and able to chose local businesses.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
that still does not explain why
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-04-07
It partially falls on you, the consumer, for the same reason anything else does. If you have the ability to not do something harmful, and choose to do it anyway, do you not have some of the blame?
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
because in this scenario that I mentioned, I'm referring to cases where it would be cheaper and/or more convenient to purchase from a larger retailer
1 ImJustaBagofHammers 2019-04-07
If it was more convenient to rob someone than earn money in a more ethical way, would you not still be morally responsible for robbing someone?
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
this is the dumbest response I could have imagined
1 Snowayne2 2019-04-07
But... it's true. Your argument is pretty stupid because it works regardless of any moral concerns.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
Except in that situation you’re breaking the law, endangering people, and directly taking money away from them. Not shopping somewhere isn’t taking money from them because it was your money and you weren’t obligated to give it to anyone other than the government when you have to file taxes. The two aren’t comparable at all.
By your logic, I’m robbing every single business out there that I’m not buying from.
1 Snowayne2 2019-04-07
You didn't get the point at all (which is no surprise). Your argument that you should shop where it's most convenient or you get the most for your money doesn't work because it extends to stealing, or supporting slavery.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
your trolling is too obvious now, goodbye
1 Snowayne2 2019-04-07
Not an argument libtard 😎
1 plurpnslurp 2019-04-07
There is no “moral concern” about supporting small businesses. It’s a contrived platitude.
1 Snowayne2 2019-04-07
Whether there are or aren't is not the point here.
1 snallygaster 2019-04-07
It keeps more money in the community, is more likely to give you personalized service if you're a frequent patron, and creates a more interesting array of shopping options. Plus small businesses are better able to cater to the needs of the community, whereas big box stores cater to the lowest common denominator. Would you rather live in a place with a unique and vibrant downtown, with shops run by people you know and that allow you to make special requests, or a place that's served exclusively by a Walmart and some other corporate big box stores? I'm not sure about the morality of it all, but living in a place that's full of chains fucking sucks. You may as well be living at an interstate rest stop
1 plurpnslurp 2019-04-07
Yeah I agree with most of that. I mean I like quaint places where yuppies with too much money will go and spend it at small shops. Personally I wouldn't unless I had some kind of connection with the business. Going to big-box stores isn't usually a problem for me.
1 georgiameow 2019-04-07
Thats pretty much it tho, some dont have the option to pay local because its more expensive, also availablity, like some people may not even have local stores and just the big guys near them. The rich can if they want but even they may not.
1 -Steve_French- 2019-04-07
I'd shop there if their prices were the lowest
1 Sub_to_pdp 2019-04-07
Where do you think you are?
1 d-amazo 2019-04-07
lawlz if you actually went outside and found some friends you might find someone who will talk to you about this shit instead of boring all of us with it.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
but if I go outside, I can't have discussions while also selecting which porn tab I'll go with, now can I??
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-04-07
No ones ever said you can’t do that.
1 JonSnowgaryen 2019-04-07
Lol if you can't do that then you are a huge fucking pussy. Grow a pair bro
1 bG9sIG5pY2UgdHJ5Cg 2019-04-07
Thanks to the wonders of modern technology, you can get porn on your phone while outdoors.
1 UrMumsMyPassword 2019-04-07
the absolute state of approaching 100k cels
1 UUUU__UUUU 2019-04-07
There should be a walmart of strip clubs.
1 Curbside_dental 2019-04-07
Skip the middleman bullshit and buy direct from China.
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2019-04-07
Item Prie: $5 Shipping: $10 EDD: 4-8 weeks
1 Curbside_dental 2019-04-07
And if you're lucky it will be what you actually ordered.
1 The_Pandemonium 2019-04-07
Buying from China creates a surprise Christmas for yourself. I bought a bong off some chinese website for cheap, completely forgot about it, and had it randomly appear at my house 2 months later.
1 Curbside_dental 2019-04-07
I ordered a slip ring for an electronic project. Months go by I had completely forgotten about it. Then 5 show up in the mail. Definitely a mini Christmas.
1 Alicesnakebae 2019-04-07
Clean your room
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
no
1 Alicesnakebae 2019-04-07
Bad
1 BIknkbtKitNwniS 2019-04-07
I tend to agree. I dislike inefficiency. A mom and pop used bookstore is the definition of inefficient. They don't really contribute anything to the economy.
But how are they gonna survive when Amazon shuts them down? The answer is UBI bitch.
YangGang2020
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-04-07
On one hand, market darwinism. On the other, $1000
1 OG_Mudkipz 2019-04-07
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1 le_epic_xd_part_2 2019-04-07
Ok
1 Idontknowshiit 2019-04-07
based libertarian take
1 UUUU__UUUU 2019-04-07
The only reason this post is made sticky is because OP knows it'd get downvoted to oblivion and dramanauts will move on to real 'interesting dramabulous content' without even pissing a single comment on this one.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
buddy you just described every post I've made for the past several years
1 UUUU__UUUU 2019-04-07
I am proud of you.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
thanks
1 -Steve_French- 2019-04-07
Is this your first day here lmfao
1 -Steve_French- 2019-04-07
Implying you have ever bought anything in your life
1 SuperElf 2019-04-07
imagine not just creating what you need from scratch
1 bG9sIG5pY2UgdHJ5Cg 2019-04-07
I'm hoping the wheat I planted grows soon, I'm starting to get really hungry for that sandwich.
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1 Momruepari 2019-04-07
Who gives a shit
1 XhotwheelsloverX 2019-04-07
Why do you care? Your mom drives you everywhere
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
it gives her more money for tendies
1 bG9sIG5pY2UgdHJ5Cg 2019-04-07
Valid point I guess
1 StumpyAlex 2019-04-07
Fuck off with your based capitalist shitposting
1 ErictheRedding 2019-04-07
An autist goes shopping greentext.
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1 Pralshad 2019-04-07
Because shopping in a small local store requires you to actually interact with another human being. It's healthy for autists like yourself.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2019-04-07
I buy everything I can from online retailers, and the rest goes to regional, state, national, and multinational corporations. I'd rather give my money to the winning team than back a bunch of losers who can't even make millions. (I mean this all unironically.)
1 IowasSexiestIncel 2019-04-07
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1 ip_127_0_0_1 2019-04-07
Don't be ashamed of your Walmart trolley collection job lawlz. Many autists are stuck as unemployable.
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1 rnjbond 2019-04-07
Your stickies are terrible, but whatever, I'll answer your question.
Two main reasons behind the theory. I'm not endorsing either.
First is that it builds the local economy. Money spent on Amazon goes to the company. Money spent at your local store goes to the owners, who now have more money to spend locally, and so forth.
Second is once Amazon has put the small shops out of business, they can raise pricing because they're a monopoly, and then you're in trouble
1 alot_the_murdered 2019-04-07
I feel like Amazon has put tons of smaller bookstores out of business, but their prices are still pretty cheap. Maybe this is part of their master plan, but I doubt it - it's not like they're losing money on selling books today.
1 KingPhilipIII 2019-04-07
Part of being the only business in town means everyone is forced to buy from you, meaning you have some level in flexibility and are able to price low if you choose. It’s just that most businesses won’t opt for that practice.
1 snallygaster 2019-04-07
As far as used books go they can't compete price-wise. Though you have like a 1/20 or lower chance of finding the book you're looking for at a used bookstore if it's remotely obscure which is why people can sell their used wares for ridiculous prices. As far as new books go they still have a decent amount of competition from other online retailers.
1 alot_the_murdered 2019-04-07
But they'll always have online competition. The whole reason the "walmart strategy" works is because the people in the local area have no other options. But when it comes to online purchases, a company can set up shop just about anywhere and serve basically the entire US.
1 the_marx 2019-04-07
unironically good points lol
1 Michelanvalo 2019-04-07
why have I read this before
1 Dramautist 2019-04-07
This is even more banal than usual for you, Lawlz.
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1 TheColdTurtle 2019-04-07
Ok.
1 PlCKLERlCK 2019-04-07
It's not something you should do if you don't have much of your income from local customers. It's not long-run efficient (buying from the suppliers that can use resources most efficiently to offer the lowest competitive price is), but it's temporarily useful for people in small towns to counter the paradox of thrift on a local scale, which might accelerate the town's decline.
The idea that a small town is dying is self fulfilling: merely the expectation of hard times causes people to cut back spending and save for a rainy day, or to move away entirely. This becomes the on a local scale: local purchasing falls, local employers scale down and lay off workers (or close). Those workers will have less income to purchase from other local businesses, who then may scale down and create more layoffs. Some of these workers will then also move away, reducing their local purchasing to 0. This is one cause of the Rust Belt.
The sentiment of buying local counters the above effect by telling local workers their company isn't going to be out of business immediately.
You want the worker to think: "A bunch of my neighbors say they'll keep buying from my company, so I guess I can go eat BBQ tonight instead of worrying about how to sell my house."
The shift to remove suppliers will still over time because those suppliers are usually using inputs more efficiently (applying better technology, training, and economies of scale). But it won't be accelerated by people panicking and cutting consumption unnecessarily out of fear.
One somewhat misguided sentiment counters another.
So local employers can wind down over-time, reducing the frequency of layoffs, and in the best case just wait for people to retire and close the position.
This minimizes taking coal miners and factory workers and telling them to learn to code.
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The town is still going to shrink, but it will be less catastrophic to the people involved, and it might not shrink as far if some people born there train for service industries supported probably by whatever primary industries remain (namely agriculture).
On the other hand, as agriculture becomes even more labor efficient, the end game might be a the equivalent of logging camp with a couple haircuts in the middle of nowhere. But at least not as many people got BTFO in the middle of their careers and turned to smoking fentanyl under railway trestle.
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1 Kyoki64 2019-04-07
wow lawlz, put a spoiler warning next time
1 DoesntSmellLikePalm 2019-04-07
It's just an ethical choice. You don't have to if you don't want to
1 iprobablyneedahobby 2019-04-07
That small business owner will spend most of that money in the community though, which will benefit other local businesses. There is a reason why jewish people, mormons and other tight knit religious/diaspora groups often do so well and it is because they keep money in the community if possible. The money you will spend at a wal mart will just go to administration costs in some far off headquarters, foreign investors and hedge funds. Also fuck you automod for deleting my seriouspost for saying j ews. How is that a slur you robot mong?
1 Mrtheliger 2019-04-07
Interesting post Sensei. I agree that we should all support monopolies for the easier access to goods and services.
1 jaredschaffer27 2019-04-07
I know this might be a horrifying or scary notion for you, but the people who live near you are usually people you know. When there are people around you that you know, paying an extra 5% to shop at their stores instead of overnighting produce from malaysia is perfectly fine.
1 Some_Khajiit 2019-04-07
I buy local produce and meat, it's not cheaper and definitely not that much more. It's not about the better deal. If you haven't tried something local and fresh then you're a r-slur who eats garbage peasant food that tastes like nothing. Go to a strawberry farm during peak season and eat a strawberry from the plant. Then go buy some bull from thousands of miles away because you saved 25 cents and taste the difference.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
Except in that situation you’re paying a premium for what you view as a higher quality which I already covered
1 Some_Khajiit 2019-04-07
It's not premium, its the fucking standard that everyone should demand.
1 jamesangleton 2019-04-07
Phmygod. ShutTFU lawz.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
no
1 deszerofire 2019-04-07
the responsability falls on whom has the less amount of melanin, if you are fair skinned you are just taking advantange of a minority, if you are darl skinned you are being oppressed and must ask for reparations, if you are both the same color,who cares, you are probably mayo and the mayocide is coming soon
1 manbra 2019-04-07
Stop sticking your posts you fat f-slur
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
no
And the proper verbiage is “stickying”
1 S3z1n 2019-04-07
🤢
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
I know right
1 ModsAreBundles 2019-04-07
What you sound like
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
Nice meme
1 bG9sIG5pY2UgdHJ5Cg 2019-04-07
The economically rational take is that if you only support megacorps then you'll probably end up with a market cornered by a monopoly or near-monopoly, and they can then charge you obscene prices which you'll just have to deal with. A little inefficiency in encouraging competitors to grow up is worth it overall.
1 AugustinesBitchBoy 2019-04-07
It's a hard concept to grasp but some people actually care about others, especially members of their community.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
Do you think business owners care about you?
1 AugustinesBitchBoy 2019-04-07
That's part of the point, if you actually buy at small businesses and aren't socially r-slured, then you can develop a relationship with the owners/employees. Also I know it's a hard concept to grasp but some people actually care about others and this includes business owners, who believe it or not are real people.
If I ever run a small business I'll let you know and give you a handjob in the back room, just to prove it to you.
1 Hdtiknbfdsjjddg 2019-04-07
It’s the equivalent of buying American. Trade deficits apply on a city to city basis as well. When you buy from a foreign town you are allowing wealth to be siphoned out of your town.
1 plurpnslurp 2019-04-07
Generally I agree but I’d say there are some legitimate (for some) reasons to pay more at small businesses:
If you have some kind of small town shopping area and like the feel, it’s better if the businesses don’t go bankrupt. Also local tax dollars and whatever.
You like the atmosphere of a place and appreciate the knowledge or character of the people that work there. This is probably the biggest one.
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
I can understand the second point definitely. Shopping at HUGE stores is kind of a pain. But that's also one reason Amazon does so well, you don't have to deal with it at all.
1 double-happiness 2019-04-07
http://i.imgur.com/n4CpGuj.jpg
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
me_irl
1 double-happiness 2019-04-07
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1 cheeZetoastee 2019-04-07
join r/neoliberal you clearly have become one of us with this post. just ignore the succdem infestation
1 MasterLawlz 2019-04-07
what's succdem?
1 Futhermucker 2019-04-07
if saving money means more to you, shop at big chains
if protecting communities means more to you, shop local
vote with your dollar, just don't get mad at suppliers for meeting your needs
1 econ_throwaways 2019-04-07
/u/MasterLawlz, a lot of small businesses don't end up going anywhere, what I think is important is that we make things easier on "young" businesses and new business, and allow them to grow into large firms an enterprises.
1 m51boom 2019-04-07
The real argument is that mcdonalds and the other chains have low quality shit that breaks easily and/or makes you fat because they're (((profit seeking))) and do that, and local business are less likely to spray your food with all sorts of neurodevelopmentally disruptive pesticides or intentionally break your machine 2 years after you buy it so you have to get another one.