If all of your time and resources are spent campaigning for someone who is going to raise the minimum wage by a few dollars, you have less time to explain to people why waged labour means they will always be struggling to pay rent and organising them into a revolutionary organisation. This is why the lesser evilism argument doesn't work, if you spend all of your time trying to put out fires, you won't have time to be able to fix the leaky gas pipe causing them in the first place, and in the long term that leads to more fires and more dead/harmed people
Of course! Instead or trying to address specific problems and realizable goals with keyhole solutions we should upside down the entire social, political and economic system. What could go wrong?
Guys help I work for a wage and thus I struggle to pay rent because I have no useful or remarkable qualities and want to live in the middle of a large city where rent is $5,000/month. Killing people is literally the only way my situation could ever get better, and none of it is my fault.
God I fucking despise commies. Everything about them. Their ideology is garbage. They constantly talk about the revolution and killing everyone who doesn't agree with them but they have zero intention of actually starting a revolution. It's all just a big fucking LARP. Many of them are literal fucking children, and the ones that aren't still act like it. They're so smug and condescending when they are the most worthless fucking rats on the planet. There is nothing lower than a commie.
And none of this would get me seething if they were treated like the joke they were, but they aren't. Whenever commies show up in random threads they aren't told to fuck off. Despite having zero tolerance for anyone right of Bernie reddit libs are totally cool with commies.
Some equipment like magnetic resonance and computed tomographic imaging devices were almost nonexistant. Advanced medical techniques like 'coronary artery bypass grafting, carotid endarterctomy and angioplasty' also weren't generally available.
To reduce costs, some supplies, like needles, gloves, intravenous tubing or catheters were reused
His report claims only to represent the health system of Leningrad, Soviet Union's second largest city, and so it may be taken as the best the SU had to offer in healthcare.
In rural areas, only 35% of hospitals had hot water, 27% had no sewage system, and 17% had no running water.
They type this from their MacBook in an urban apartment with their smart TV playing Radiohead while they doordash chipotle
I don’t think they realize that only the bourgeoisie they hate so much would be living like that if communism was reinstated.
99.9999% chance they, and everyone they know, would be doing manual labor in a factory or field, going home to a government-provided shack to live with 3 other families and eat their beans and rations.
Imagine having an ideology and not having any cognitive dissonance about the contradiction that you KNOW it's 1) by far the best system and 2) hated by the people its supposed to help. How damaged is your brain to not see that as a warning sign.
none of this would get me seething if they were treated like the joke they were, but they aren't. Whenever commies show up in random threads they aren't told to fuck off.
Reddit has lowkey become a leftist grooming area. I genuinely dont know how to lance the infestation. Its doubly problematic because millennials have basically given up on accomplishing anything and would rather bitch about boomers.
Honestly that's the main thing that pisses me off about commies.
Like I don't give a shit if you want to kill everyone who disagrees with you, but at least don't be a pussy that expects someone else to do all the killing for you while you sit back and post on reddit.
They just wait around expecting better men to do their dirty work for them.
Most online Socialist spaces are populated by young people who have blamed capitalism for the failings of people. Capitalism is a market force, and properly regulated(as it was post-great depression), is the most successful system to uplift the poor.
Reddit in particular has a high-concentration of accelerationists. People who are anti-capitalist because they hate the rich, not because they love the poor.
Its just like what the Germans did when they voted in a totalatarian that said he would take away their ability to vote in the future and they did and we got hitler. Why would anyone willfully vote for communism? Are you seriously this stupid?
Why does the Corbyn manifesto read like a hostage demand newsletter? I mean it said landlords have to sell to tenants for a fair price set by the Labour Party
Even if you do win a majority, you can’t pass anything too radical or the forces of the state will move against you, think Gough Whitlam or Salvador Allende.
They're so desperate to come up with one case in history where communism was popular and not imposed by force that they have to make up crazier and crazier lies about Allende. He got 36.2% of the vote because the right was split, and he took that as a mandate to start playing around like Fidel Castro and ruling by decree. If that's "democratically-elected" then I guess Trump can declare himself dictator and if that's a majority then I must have really not been paying attention to elementary school math class.
It’s important to make a distinction here: the rurals aren’t “conservatives” so much as they’re boomer populists who don’t actually care all that much about whatever ideological underpinnings conservatism might once have had. Of course, movement conservatives in the English-speaking world have been a mix of stupid and malicious ever since Reagan, but their stupidity and malice play out in very different, less dangerous ways.
Also, I agree with almost everything you say, but you are kinda insufferable 😉
I actually grew up in these areas tbh. A lot of my friends from these places practice what I'd call "cultural conservatism" more so than anything else. As in being a conservative is simply ingrained in them culturally, even if they prefer left-leaning policies.
For example - a friend I grew up with spams FB pretty often about "welfare leeches" and the like, but he was on every form of government aid under the sun growing up and would often eat at my house.
It's more of a social identity, which lines up with other stuff I've read:
Again my own related work uses the term “constrained.” If you have a “constrained” set of issue positions, then all of your policy preferences consistently swing to the left or to the right. The people with well-constrained issue positions often have more extreme issue positions also. But for many voters, an identification with an ideological label means something different than holding a constrained set of issue positions. You might call yourself a conservative, and feel very, very strongly identified as a conservative, and still not actually hold consistently conservative policy positions. In fact, a number of political scientists have found that the American electorate, as a whole, prefers on average left-leaning policy positions. But on average, this same electorate calls itself conservative. And because we do have these generally left-leaning policy preferences as an electorate, conservative politicians feel the need to double down on conservative social identification. Matt Grossmann and David Hopkins published a book called Asymmetric Politics about this difference between Democrats and Republicans. So we might anachronistically think of Democrats as the “identity politics” party, but it actually makes much more sense for Republicans to campaign on identity.
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying ITT. For every William F. Buckley wannabe, there are a hundred people who vote Republican because they think that the Democrats will let transgender Muslims ban high school football and replace the Pledge of Allegiance with the Shahada. That’s why even Tucker Carlson gave up the neo-Buckley act and started pandering to flyovercels.
I wonder to what extent these people exist due to corporate engineering tbh. For example - republicans weaponize conservative cultural values to find electoral success while often running on an anti-working class platform.
For example - republicans weaponize conservative cultural values to find electoral success while often running on an anti-working class platform.
It's not republicans who do this, it's you, silly.
People don't vote for policies, people vote for their representatives, literally. Some of the decisions those representatives end up making are zero-sum: subsidize this with taxes collected from that. So people vote for representatives that are "on their side", which involves at the very least not openly hating them.
Most of that is not a conscious calculation but ancient political instincts. A hundred thousand years ago our hunter-gatherer ancestor supported Ugh's plans to go hunting up the river not because he believed that there are more antelopes there but because then Ugh would be in charge of divvying up the meat and they happen to be cousins twice removed.
So going against that instinct with "yeah we call them a basket of deplorables but if only they looked at our actual policies..." is political autism.
What identity tho? There are tons of women, tons of hispanics, tons of asians, noticeable numbers of blacks even.
What I think is the GOP identity is "dems hate us and call us deplorables", that's it. If you feel that a smug SRDine means you when it spits out "those people" then you are those people.
So within studies of American political behavior, social psychology, and sociology, people have been writing about the concept of social identities for years. I didn’t invent the concept of “mega-identities,” otherwise known as identity alignment or complexity (or as the absence of cross-cutting identities). But essentially, the concept is that people have a huge number of different group identities, any of which might seem the most salient at any given time. I mean, you have an alma mater. You have a hometown. You might follow sports teams. All of those designations involve you (and a bunch of other people) identifying with a certain group label and considering yourselves connected to one another. And in general, we know from social-identity theory that the identity at the top of your mind at any given moment most likely will be the identity facing the most pressing threat. And partisan identity plays its own unique role, since we have regularly scheduled threats to the status of our party, right? Every two years we sense a potential threat to this particular group identity. Every time you go through one of these status contests, also known as elections, your party might lose, though you still also have these other parts of your identity, which may or may not connect to your party’s victory or loss.
Or:
And here Marilynn Brewer’s work on identity alignment also shows us that if most members of Group A also belong to Group B, we can consider these well-aligned identities. Brewer has found that when two or more identities strongly align, then the people within these groups feel more intolerant towards out-group members. Take the example of people possessing both Irish and Catholic identities. If you’re Irish Catholic, you probably know a lot of Irish people and a lot of Catholic people. You don’t necessarily need to know a lot of non-Irish or non-Catholic people, because they’re not necessarily part of your group. But if you’re Irish and Jewish, then you probably know some non-Irish and some non-Jewish people, since you yourself don’t fit into any well-overlapping categories. So just being a member of two non-overlapping identity categories breeds tolerance, because it exposes you to a broader range of people. At the same time, well-aligned categories breed intolerance because you can think of “outsiders” as unlike you in multiple ways. So once these mega-identities get formed, we start to think of out-group partisans as quite different from us — not just in terms of their political views, but also racially, religiously, and with any number of overlapping categories. We feel ever more socially distant from these out-group members, which makes it easier to dehumanize them, to think about them with less generosity.
The point is, Republicans have smaller identity groups. If you were to pull any 2 democrats out of a group, chances are they'd have conflicting identity groups in some area.
But that isn't the case with Republicans for the most part. This is why conservatives run on social identity so hard.
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9 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2019-12-15
They are worse than SRDines, they are - may Allah forgive me for saying this - accelerationists.
9 Norway313 2019-12-15
Wants freedom, gives up their right to vote. This has got to be the dumbest thing I've seen from the commies yet
4 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Oh really??
3 Norway313 2019-12-15
That's why freedom is in the italics, cause they fight counter to human concept of freewill
3 Giulio-Cesare 2019-12-15
Okay but technically Stalin was free to do whatever the fuck he wanted to.
I'm pretty sure that's the freedom they're talking about.
1 Tzar-Romulus 2019-12-15
Monarchists lmao
1 label_and_libel 2019-12-15
It's freedom from capital, though.
1 thedopestfish 2019-12-15
And freedom from freedom
1 label_and_libel 2019-12-15
words word word word
1 Feanorfanclub 2019-12-15
There was a stupidpol thread a bit ago where they tried arguing human rights is for libtards. It was neat.
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Can you find?
1 dramasexual 2019-12-15
Man I used to have such hope for stupidpol
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5 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Couldn’t have said it better.
7 aduketsavar 2019-12-15
Of course! Instead or trying to address specific problems and realizable goals with keyhole solutions we should upside down the entire social, political and economic system. What could go wrong?
1 Peytons_5head 2019-12-15
Homeless advocacy groups in LA actually protest temporary shelters because they aren't full apartments units being given away.
It totally reflects how bougie they are because they cant understand the immediate need of people who are actually suffering.
1 SALTY_COCK 2019-12-15
Guys help I work for a wage and thus I struggle to pay rent because I have no useful or remarkable qualities and want to live in the middle of a large city where rent is $5,000/month. Killing people is literally the only way my situation could ever get better, and none of it is my fault.
7 QuadNarca 2019-12-15
Why do these people think they could survive the purges that would inevitably happen after the communist revolution won?
4 Giulio-Cesare 2019-12-15
They unironically think they'd be the ones in charge because they were the ones who organized it all on reddit.com
1 agenteABIN 2019-12-15
temporarily embarrassed commissars
1 SaveUsUncleTed 2019-12-15
Commissar cletus & Jamal .png
6 slugulon 2019-12-15
God I fucking despise commies. Everything about them. Their ideology is garbage. They constantly talk about the revolution and killing everyone who doesn't agree with them but they have zero intention of actually starting a revolution. It's all just a big fucking LARP. Many of them are literal fucking children, and the ones that aren't still act like it. They're so smug and condescending when they are the most worthless fucking rats on the planet. There is nothing lower than a commie.
And none of this would get me seething if they were treated like the joke they were, but they aren't. Whenever commies show up in random threads they aren't told to fuck off. Despite having zero tolerance for anyone right of Bernie reddit libs are totally cool with commies.
Ok then faggot go live in Russia get a taste of that glorious soviet housing.
3 agenteABIN 2019-12-15
https://nintil.com/the-soviet-union-healthcare/
1 911roofer 2019-12-15
An American hospital would be shut down and crawling with lawyers at that point.
1 BernieMadeoffSanders 2019-12-15
You mean if they reused needles? Or if they didn't have running water?
1 911roofer 2019-12-15
All of them.
2 MrGoodieMob 2019-12-15
That linked comment was written by a tranny like the USSR wouldnt just put a bullet in their diseased brain instantly
1 yeetsaucepeteross 2019-12-15
They type this from their MacBook in an urban apartment with their smart TV playing Radiohead while they doordash chipotle
I don’t think they realize that only the bourgeoisie they hate so much would be living like that if communism was reinstated.
99.9999% chance they, and everyone they know, would be doing manual labor in a factory or field, going home to a government-provided shack to live with 3 other families and eat their beans and rations.
2 Peytons_5head 2019-12-15
Reddit is reaching such levels of retardation that socialist groups have significant overlap with antiwork groups.
2 TheBestEagle 2019-12-15
At this point the ven diagram is basically a circle.
1 Peytons_5head 2019-12-15
Throw in the doomsdayers too
1 Peytons_5head 2019-12-15
Imagine having an ideology and not having any cognitive dissonance about the contradiction that you KNOW it's 1) by far the best system and 2) hated by the people its supposed to help. How damaged is your brain to not see that as a warning sign.
Reddit has lowkey become a leftist grooming area. I genuinely dont know how to lance the infestation. Its doubly problematic because millennials have basically given up on accomplishing anything and would rather bitch about boomers.
-2 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
This is schizoposting
5 slugulon 2019-12-15
Go on any reddit thread and start calling people comrade and talking about the revolution, see how many people downvote you or tell you to fuck off.
In fact there's a great example at the top of worldnews right now
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/eanbdi/greta_thunberg_tells_cheering_crowd_we_will_make/?st=k46d0y6z&sh=b88a1d02
Tons of posts saying "hey putting them against the wall that sounds like a good idea"
4 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Because commies organize brigades on Discord like you wouldn’t believe. They’re even more committed to it than vegans are.
4 slugulon 2019-12-15
There's still nobody telling them to fuck off
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
This is not true, look at literally any thread in /r/europe that they try to brigade.
3 slugulon 2019-12-15
Former soviet-bloc Europeans are the only ones based enough to tell them to fuck off. Americucks and western euros don't
2 Tzar-Romulus 2019-12-15
Too bad they're slavs.
1 SmogiPierogi 2019-12-15
Some are balts
1 Cdace 2019-12-15
1 reiianisatroll 2019-12-15
No, it's based and commiepilled. Now silence, or expect more downvotes!!!
1 911roofer 2019-12-15
Real schizopostibg is downvoting the lolcows
5 PaidToOpinionate 2019-12-15
Democracy has never been tried yet.
3 ManBearFridge 2019-12-15
Direct democracy and communism are both equally failed ideologies
1 label_and_libel 2019-12-15
But so are all of the other ones.
1 thedopestfish 2019-12-15
No they aren't lmao
1 label_and_libel 2019-12-15
?
3 boyoyoyoyong 2019-12-15
Since they won't vote for us we could just kill them
3 slugulon 2019-12-15
Not me though, someone else do it.
7 Giulio-Cesare 2019-12-15
Honestly that's the main thing that pisses me off about commies.
Like I don't give a shit if you want to kill everyone who disagrees with you, but at least don't be a pussy that expects someone else to do all the killing for you while you sit back and post on reddit.
They just wait around expecting better men to do their dirty work for them.
1 label_and_libel 2019-12-15
You could say that about literally any idea in any context. There will always be more people saying it's a good idea than implementing it.
1 thedopestfish 2019-12-15
Based Centerist Chad
2 IraqiLobster 2019-12-15
The voting public doesn’t like our ideas
Surely we know better than them, we must execute them as counter revolutionaries
2 MotionBlue 2019-12-15
Most online Socialist spaces are populated by young people who have blamed capitalism for the failings of people. Capitalism is a market force, and properly regulated(as it was post-great depression), is the most successful system to uplift the poor.
Reddit in particular has a high-concentration of accelerationists. People who are anti-capitalist because they hate the rich, not because they love the poor.
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Well said. It’s difficult to imagine these people feeling love for anybody at all.
1 moddestmouse 2019-12-15
If only the people had more control everything would be better.... besides elections, people are really blowing it at the starting line of my utopia.
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
That’s the problem they didn’t go left enough where they put only one party to vote for
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
So many tears to drink my sodium intake is thru the roof it’s like a Vietnamese bowl of soup after that Corbyn massacre
1 tHeSiD 2019-12-15
We are all gonna die of salt poisoning in 2020
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
Mask off
Socialism is communism. -Lenin
1 Kellere31 2019-12-15
Social democracy isn't socialism you retarded Amerimutt.
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
I love it it’s like saying it’s not rape of white people. Its rape of white people black people voted for so its different its ethical this time
1 Kellere31 2019-12-15
What are you ranting about fentnigger?
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
I’m saying adding adjectives to rape still means its rape. Just cause you got one half to vote to rape the other half still means it’s rape
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
Its just like what the Germans did when they voted in a totalatarian that said he would take away their ability to vote in the future and they did and we got hitler. Why would anyone willfully vote for communism? Are you seriously this stupid?
1 collectijism 2019-12-15
Why does the Corbyn manifesto read like a hostage demand newsletter? I mean it said landlords have to sell to tenants for a fair price set by the Labour Party
1 Redactor0 2019-12-15
They're so desperate to come up with one case in history where communism was popular and not imposed by force that they have to make up crazier and crazier lies about Allende. He got 36.2% of the vote because the right was split, and he took that as a mandate to start playing around like Fidel Castro and ruling by decree. If that's "democratically-elected" then I guess Trump can declare himself dictator and if that's a majority then I must have really not been paying attention to elementary school math class.
Also the Gough Whitlam bullshit. 😂
2 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Ah yes, the conspiracy theory that Whitlam himself denied.
1 preserved_fish 2019-12-15
32-38% is the authoritarian sweet spot.
1 fitness 2019-12-15
The front lines of the upcoming socialist revolution will include:
120 lbs vegans
Trannies who have to quit halfway through the battle to dilate
Upper middle class college professors who have never been outside an urban area
Terminally online twitter posters
Fat faggots with neon hair
The front lines of the upcoming socialist revolution will NOT include:
1 UKIP_Warrior 2019-12-15
Labour has won elections under the UK system in the past. If they want to win an election again they should try not being utter shite.
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
The UK’s demographics have changed fundamentally since Old Labour. If they want to win then they’d honestly do better to readopt Blairism.
1 Burnnoticelover 2019-12-15
“Oh they don’t want our policies? Well they’ll want them at gunpoint .”
1 Brahmasexual 2019-12-15
Socialist/male-feminist venn diagram circle time
-1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
Conservatives in the western world openly declare democracy doesn't matter, why shouldn't the left also?
I've long been saying this - every state the DNC captures for example should be gerrymandered to hell and back.
I want voter suppression laws targeted at rurals too. I want their voting machines removed, put in gated communities, all kinds of insane shit.
It's time to stop pretending conservatives care about the law.
2 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
It’s important to make a distinction here: the rurals aren’t “conservatives” so much as they’re boomer populists who don’t actually care all that much about whatever ideological underpinnings conservatism might once have had. Of course, movement conservatives in the English-speaking world have been a mix of stupid and malicious ever since Reagan, but their stupidity and malice play out in very different, less dangerous ways.
Also, I agree with almost everything you say, but you are kinda insufferable 😉
1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
They're very socially conservative at least in the US. They seemingly only vote on cultural outrage issues and racial grievances.
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
Yeah but they aren’t thinking their conservatism out. It’s a completely knee-jerk, tribal form of politics.
1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
I actually grew up in these areas tbh. A lot of my friends from these places practice what I'd call "cultural conservatism" more so than anything else. As in being a conservative is simply ingrained in them culturally, even if they prefer left-leaning policies.
For example - a friend I grew up with spams FB pretty often about "welfare leeches" and the like, but he was on every form of government aid under the sun growing up and would often eat at my house.
It's more of a social identity, which lines up with other stuff I've read:
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1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying ITT. For every William F. Buckley wannabe, there are a hundred people who vote Republican because they think that the Democrats will let transgender Muslims ban high school football and replace the Pledge of Allegiance with the Shahada. That’s why even Tucker Carlson gave up the neo-Buckley act and started pandering to flyovercels.
0 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
I wonder to what extent these people exist due to corporate engineering tbh. For example - republicans weaponize conservative cultural values to find electoral success while often running on an anti-working class platform.
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
They’re mobilized from above but this is accomplished by appealing to people’s already-existing prejudices.
0 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
Yeah, they exist already, but do you think they would overpower the economic interests in absence of the conservative engineering?
1 Can_The_SRDine 2019-12-15
It probably depends on whether or not these people are feeling the economic pinch.
1 alphetaboss 2019-12-15
You're both out of touch with fentanyl Americans. You have no idea what you're talking about.
1 DangerNut 2019-12-15
You think stupid people require "corporate engineering"?
Lol....
1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
No, but engineering makes stupid people more of a threat.
1 DangerNut 2019-12-15
Yeah I don't think corporations have to do much to get stupid people to do stupid things....
Just own what you do. I do ...
1 zergling_Lester 2019-12-15
It's not republicans who do this, it's you, silly.
People don't vote for policies, people vote for their representatives, literally. Some of the decisions those representatives end up making are zero-sum: subsidize this with taxes collected from that. So people vote for representatives that are "on their side", which involves at the very least not openly hating them.
Most of that is not a conscious calculation but ancient political instincts. A hundred thousand years ago our hunter-gatherer ancestor supported Ugh's plans to go hunting up the river not because he believed that there are more antelopes there but because then Ugh would be in charge of divvying up the meat and they happen to be cousins twice removed.
So going against that instinct with "yeah we call them a basket of deplorables but if only they looked at our actual policies..." is political autism.
1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
The GOP, as a party that appeals to only a single demographic, is more based on idpol than a party that appeals to every other demographic.
The GOP platform is also far more friendly to business and anti-worker than the democratic platform.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-12-15
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1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
No, my point is it's not democrats weaponizing this. The GOP is the most idpol based party in US history.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-12-15
What identity tho? There are tons of women, tons of hispanics, tons of asians, noticeable numbers of blacks even.
What I think is the GOP identity is "dems hate us and call us deplorables", that's it. If you feel that a smug SRDine means you when it spits out "those people" then you are those people.
1 professorshillphd 2019-12-15
I linked it.
For example:
Or:
The point is, Republicans have smaller identity groups. If you were to pull any 2 democrats out of a group, chances are they'd have conflicting identity groups in some area.
But that isn't the case with Republicans for the most part. This is why conservatives run on social identity so hard.
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1 Peytons_5head 2019-12-15
Sounds like liberals
1 911roofer 2019-12-15
Stop downvoting the lolcows