Remember, far-right is everything I don't like

1  2020-02-20 by Gysinator

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God fugees really fucked this sub. I don’t get how this guy is wrong unless you literally want to argue that Islamic fundamentalism isn’t right wing.

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I'd classify all of those things as "far-right" so I don't see this as a case of "everything I don't like."

Islamic extremists are super socially conservative and religiously fascist.

Atheism is far right now?

Fucking retard

Well for starters, I don't even think that guy was an atheist. He might not have been deeply religious, but he was interested in Christian culture:

"Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man," he says in his 1,500-page manifesto. "I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."

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Breivik’s video, in which he blames “cultural Marxists” for supporting a multicultural Europe, is replete with imagery of various sword-wielding and carnage-provoking crusaders and defenders, many of whom sport crosses.

Either way, "atheism" isn't "anything" on the political spectrum. You can be a far-right atheist or a far-left atheist. I wasn't calling atheism far-right but I think I worded it poorly so I can see the confusion. I meant Breivik was far-right.

This is a good time to realize that left-right labels are only meaningful in context and labeling all of the world's ideologies using western conventions just over simplifies and misrepresents them

I mean uh bussy lmao

Normally I'd agree with you because the political spectrum can shift and change depending on region and even time period - but extreme religious conservatism tends to be the same across regions.

Stfu pizza

Pizza being reasonable is a rare sight.

Don't worry. He is due to leave this sub again for good 2 to 3 days.

More like 80 days lmao 😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌

Also the "left/right" spectrum from the western world isn't exactly confined to the western world and hasn't been for ages.

If by that you mean it’s an heuristic invented in the French Revolution and applied poorly to every political context since, then sure. It’s still a shit way of explaining the world.

I'm not really sure what your point is here? You're confusing economic systems for social systems or something.

What? I linked a wikipedia page to a book you fucking retard

What point does linking the book hold? I'm actually just curious what it is you're trying to say with that link.

I'm not saying anything it's a fucking link mate

So you just randomly linked me a book about muslims and socialists?

Obviously that’s exactly what he did Mr Shill

That's Dr Shill to the likes of you young man 😤

No

He doesn't realise how complex all this is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_the_Snooker_Club

So why do leftists then try to defend Muslim radicals and whitewash the leader of ISIS as a "theological scholar" rather than a terrorist leader?

Why do leftists defend Iran whenever the saber rattling starts?

How do I explain these things to a guy that likely has no formal education beyond HS and views the world through the lens of logical fallacies and perpetual rage.

So why do leftists then try to defend Muslim radicals and whitewash the leader of ISIS as a "theological scholar"

Nobody defended him. The guy in question was quite literally an Islamic scholar, that held a PHD in Islamic studies. The new york times called him an "extreme" Islamic scholar (which is the correct terminology in the civilized world, but not in a country where right-wing extremists assume anything but absolute outright and disdain is evidence of support) and that was that.

But nobody ever tried to "defend him" you simply made that part up.

Why do leftists defend Iran whenever the saber rattling starts?

Defending Iran how exactly, be specific.

You shouldn't swear with Muhammed's cock, peace be upon him, in your mouth

I'm sorry, I didn't realise Muhammed was your lover

In case you guys missed it, let me translate this in rightoid.

"I have no argument."

I'm sorry this isn't highschool debate class like you wanted

I kinda lost interest once you began rambling about how I should respectfully refer to the leader os ISIS as a scholar

Nobody asked you to "respectfully" refer to anyone you ape. But claiming "the left supports ISIS" because a NY times article called him an extremist islamic scholar is evidence of severe cognitive problems.

I don't have the years of cognitive dissonance required to mistake the fat muslim cock in your mouth as anything but being a defender of Allah's faithful

Again, translated:

"I have no argument."

How many times must I dump on you before you realise this isn't an argument?

It's not like it isn't commonly accepted fact that leftists know they are subservient to their muhadjeen overlords

Ok billy bob, have fun at the junkyard today.

You got to do better than that pedoshill, at least call me fat and inbred if you think I'm a burger

Hey pizza I'm glad you're back :)

This isn’t an argument. This is pizza raping another retarded child. I’m actually wincing for your bussy right now, that shit will never be the same.

Bro he's getting obliterated.

He's a lolcow precisely because he's almost always wrong

No you dumbass, pizza is nearly always right - and he’s right here too.

He’s a lolcow because he’s an insufferably smug pedophile who you can’t help but loathe - despite him being correct.

You're being awfully obtuse arguing that leftist media does not downplay Islamic extremism

Downplay it how?

Mohammed is all our lovers here in r/drama

Inshabussy

The new york times called him an "extreme" Islamic scholar

Not NYT but WaPo, and not "extreme" but "austere". You're literally a joke.

Yeah it probably was the wapo, but here, let me give you a lesson on the english language.

aus·tere /ôˈstir/ Learn to pronounce adjective severe or strict in manner, attitude, or appearanc

You can use "austere" to describe an extremists. If you want a few words that can be synonyms with the word "austere.:

  • unrelenting

  • inexorable

  • unfeeling

  • rigorous

  • hard

  • harsh

The idea calling someone "austere" in this context is somehow downplaying what he is? That's absurd.

Are you actually this fucking retarded dude?

You understand that the word "austere" means something different than the word "austerity" as an economic policy used by a government.

I actually can't fucking believe you just pulled this. I screenshotted this because if you have any self respect you'll delete it.

Alhamdulillah, that article was written by Humpty Dumpty who imbued the word with exactly the second meaning, no more no less. Unfortunately WaPo is run by illiterate rightoids who changed the title and profusely apologized for the wording.

They changed the wording becausue retarded rightoids were sperging out due to being low IQ.

Pizza why do all your comments come in between the hours of 5 and 6 AM? Please respond.

You can use "austere" to describe an extremist.

But you can also use "austere" to describe someone who isn't an extremist, the same way you can have a tall extremist or a retarded extremist. Conversely, "austere" can't be a synonym for "extreme" because you can't go around calling Herman Goering an "austere right-winger".

Also where's longpostbot?

"austere" tends to be the correct term when describing Wahhabi Islam.

Either way, there's no way to claim Wapo was defending him by calling him austere.

I think their point there was that Wapo was using omission to kind of muddy the waters. Interestingly, they changed the headline of Al-Baghdadi's obituary three times - first it was "Islamic State’s terrorist-in-chief", then "austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State", and finally "extremist leader of Islamic State".

So this whole argument chain was completely pointless to begin with. Dramatic though, so there's that.

Oh wow, Im rarely here during neet hours to catch ps in the wild. The cope novel trying say ‘acksually austere means extreme’ is better than a cup of Folgers 🤤

Your quoting must be incorrect because I read a different quote on a different website and that makes you a joke.

No, that's actually what the silly fool was talking about, read his response longposts 🤗

How did I know just by looking at the upvote to comment ratio on this thread that it would be filled with your retardation?

Defending Iran how exactly, be specific.

"Muh 1453 coup mosquedagah is BAE" every time the mullahs gun down 500 or so of their own or hang a fag.

Commondreams recently, plebittors literally thought Burgerland was no different than Iran and NK when it comes to democracy.

When Iran yeeted their plane, they spread fake news about America's behaviour. We had threads about this, one was pinned.

I'll admit that Iran has awesome propaganda but still.

I mean, I generally view the US as worse for the world than Iran, but that's not the same thing as defending Iran.

The US has been genociding and murdering people for years, carrying out drone terror campaigns and murdering children in the process for years.

My views are "yeah, Iran is a shithole, but the US is a bigger shithole when we look at what they've done over the years." The US, in general, has no credibility to go after Iran.

You're missing the point. The larger point doesn't matter, that's a matter of opinion. I prefer American hegemony's long peace highly imperfect (Bush and Cheney will rot for ever) it may be. You I gather don't. That's fine.

I'm talking about objective facts. Or atleast facts as per experts.

You can prefer whatever you'd like, but this is not an opinion. The US, objectively, has killed far more innocent people and caused far more problems than Iran could ever dream of.

There's no evidence the world wouldn't have been fairly stable after ww2 without the US. The US wasn't contributing to world peace when they decided to burn a bunch of children alive in Vietnam.

We aren't comparing that. Objectively the US is a far better democracy than Iran which isn't. Flawed yes, yet miles ahead of Iran and north Korea. Comparing the three is retardation or plain shilling.

That's the most recent thread I was talking about.

You can prefer whatever you'd like, but this is not an opinion.

It literally is. I prefer this way of things. I don't dispute the death tolls.

The US, objectively, has killed far more innocent people and caused far more problems than Iran could ever dream of.

The US objectively has prevented major large scale conflicts, defeated the USSR and upheld the reign of capital.

This is one of the most peaceful eras we live in.

I'm not playing morality I don't care what Iran does, it can't do anything although that hasn't stopped the mullahs from trying. They lack the resources and are literally retarded if present events are anything to go by.

I will never deny that millions of innocents have died. Yet the US in my view was a better alternative to the USSR and now China.

Not that's saying much. From Afghanistan to south america the USSR was everywhere. Hell they were in your govt.

Do you deny the long peace? Just the existence mind you not the morality of it.

There's no evidence the world wouldn't have been fairly stable after ww2 without the US.

At the time Burger land was the only nation who could stand up to the USSR after the UK fell and you people cucked it further via Suez.

The only way your theory would work is if operation unthinkable was put into operation.

If there's another nation willing to take up the burden so be it.

We aren't comparing that. Objectively the US is a far better democracy than Iran which isn't. Flawed yes, yet miles ahead of Iran and north Korea. Comparing the three is retardation or plain shilling.

I don't think the US can be compared to Iran or NK, but the US is also not a democracy anymore. One political party is increasingly hostile towards democracy and openly engaging in racial gerrymandering, voter suppression, and illegality to cling to power.

We might not be where Iran is now - but we're heading there.

It literally is. I prefer this way of things. I don't dispute the death tolls.

It's not an opinion that the US is worse for the world than Iran though, it's simply a fact.

The US objectively has prevented major large scale conflicts, defeated communism and upheld the reign of capital.

This is one of the most peaceful eras we live in.

Which major conflict has the US prevented that any other country with nuclear weapons couldn't have also prevented?

At the time Burger land was the only nation who could stand up to the USSR after the UK fell and you people cucked it further via Suez.

The only way your theory would work is if operation unthinkable was put into operation.

You're assuming the dynamic wouldn't have been different without the US. There's no reason to suspect the EU wouldn't have simply formed a unified defense structure and used nuclear weapons early on to prevent the soviets from doing anything. Americans in general have a false sense of importance.

I've known more coherent downies.

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I'm not a burger so spare me.

I don't think the US can be compared to Iran or NK, but the US is also not a democracy anymore.

It is more democratic than Belgium according to experts.

However you people need reform.

We might not be where Iran is now - but we're heading there.

If that's your opinion so be it. The US would have to drop more than a 100 spots.

However yes, unironically fix your healthcare and social net.

t's not an opinion that the US is worse for the world than Iran though, it's simply a fact.

Has the US a global hegemon killed more than Iran a nation only in existence since 1979?

Yes and I dont deny it. However if that's how far you wished to go so be it.

I OTOh believe Iran would be a worse hegemon than America.

The world BTW likes america although trump is working hard.

Which major conflict has the US prevented that any other country with nuclear weapons couldn't have also prevented?

How many nations had nukes? Who told you people to dismantle the empire and cuck the UK during Suez ? After Suez the world was only USA vs USSR.

After Suez the free world had only you and the power went to your head.

Nixon said Eisenhower regretted it.

You're assuming the dynamic wouldn't have been different without the US. There's no reason to suspect the EU wouldn't have simply formed a unified defense structure and used nuclear weapons early on to prevent the soviets from doing anything.

They couldn't form a fucking coal and steel union you think they'd form a defence pact 😂😂

Do you know who rejected the offer to join the EU's predecessor? Also don't bring up Churchill.

Americans in general have a false sense of importance.

IRL yes. Anyone who's watched your politics will agree.

On this site? You lot hate yourselves. Too much Zinn.

Wow, you must be a JP fan

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So why do leftists then try to defend Muslim radicals and whitewash the leader of ISIS as a "theological scholar" rather than a terrorist leader?

Skewed perception of hierarchy within political paradigm.

They call it intersectionality.

/r/drama calls it autism bc we insist on absolutes to make life easier to comprehend.

Muslims = brown people

Brown people = good

Mental illness.

Because they're retarded, and the fact that conservatives lost the Muslim vote when 9/11 was a thing.

These movements are theoretically far-right, yes, but implying these movements are basically the same is beyond retarded.

Also, far-righters from different cultures traditionally hate each-other. Good look finding an american rightoid working with an islamist or african rightoid

I mean they are pretty different in terms of substance. The far-right is more explicitly based on race, and everything else is linked to race in their worldview.

The Islamic fundies haven't really linked religion to race (that I know of.)

The far-right are also religious extremists most of the time, and they've linked Christianity to "white culture."

And many islamists link islam to "arab culture", see kurds and isis as example, although it is not as strongly pronounced as in certain western far right groups.

The flaw is just saying when islamists kill some people to say to right wingers "look what YOUR guys did here" or in this case vice versa. Doing that is moronic as these groups absolutely hate eachother.

Does hating each other really change which side of the spectrum they fall on, though?

Most fascist movements hate each other, it's why there's never been any "fascist international" really. You'd expect 2 different far-right groups to hate each other if they came from different regions.

Robert Paxton in the anatomy of fascism:

This book takes the position that they are, because they reject any universal value other than the success of chosen peoples in a Darwinian struggle for primacy. The community comes before humankind in fascist values, and respecting individual rights or due process gave way to serving the destiny of the  Volk  or  razza.  Therefore each individual national fascist movement gives full expression to its own cultural particularism. Fascism, unlike the other “isms,” is not for export: each movement jealously guards its own recipe for national revival, and fascist leaders seem to feel little or no kinship with their foreign cousins. It has proved impossible to make any fascist “international” work.

Of course - it isn't correctly to simply declare Islamists fascists, but in terms of traits they're fairly close.

As I said, Islamists are theoretically far-right, arguing against that would be moronic on my part.

However, lumping different far-right movements together is bad as it completely ignores the specific motives of each movement. Islamists have a fundamentally different goal than "normal" far-righters as do christian fundamentalists. Applying the generic "far-right" term is ignorant at best, especially if you want to understand and combat specific groups.

And in this specific case here, the claim, "Islam is just far-right", is done to shift blame of every terror attack to the right-wing in general aswell as to say, "well Islam has no or only a minimal part in terrorism, because it's "just" another far-right attack".

It so happens that leftoids of different stripes also hate each other. This is normal among all sorts of fringe movements.

Yes, but the difference is that more often than not leftists infighting consists of different groups of self-identifying communists hating eachother.

The comparison fits if it's fascists hating eachother, which happens, but not islamists hating fascists and vice versa.

I agree that's why every self-respecting western leftie is a rabid islamaphobe. So any Left party that doesn't have anti-immigrant rhetoric to contain the spread of right wing Islamist religious fascism is just a disguised far-right party.

That's not how that works, first of all.

In America, Muslims tend to be pretty moderate, more moderate than white evangelicals. There's also the fact these muslims tend to be a fairly valuable voter bloc in a few areas.

There's also the fact that American conservative anti-muslim views tend to be primarily based on race, not religion. The religion just provides a veil.

They also hate, hate, hate commies. Arguably more than even conservative Christians do, because Muslims have theological objections to communism. The Prophet Muhammad basically declared that it was a sin to disrespect property rights, and Khomeini purged Iran’s marxists the minute he got power.

Plus the whole "religion is the opiate" thingy.

Saddam and Nasser (both devout Muslims) did the same. Afghans too.

I know that Nasser was devout, but I have trouble believing that about Saddam. True totalitarians hate the idea of an entity more powerful than themselves, unless they’re Khomeini-like figures who explicitly claim to be God’s instrument on Earth.

Saddam was religious and his Baa'th purged commies.

I'm so glad you're back. /r/drama is in desperate need of someone to purge the infestation.

Maoists are far right

Either that's the joke or the poster who said this is the real joke. Either way lmao.

Maoists

ITS IN THE NAME

If maoists are far right then who the fuck is communist or even a centrist

It's something we as mere mortals cannot comprehend. The motivation of progressives are far beyond our understanding.

(And really just progressives, you can't be called a socialist or a communist if you have that person's post history. Literally just progressivism in redface).

Jeb! is the ultimate centrist. Imagine being a Republican with a Mexican wife.

It makes sense if you look at it from the point of view from their political spectrum. The whole tienanmen square thing happened because a bunch of annoying students agitated the deep divide between the ring and left wings of the ccp. But if you look at it as an outsider like how can anyone be on the right in the ccp? Well the right in this case were the maoist elders who still believed in maoist socialist ideals and saw the liberalization of the chinese economy as a threat to them, the party and to the stability of the state. Mao himself had fucked things up so hard that these elders had to keep their mouths shut when mao's successor took a good look at singapore and lee kuan yew's monumental efforts to turn singapore, a backwater with no resources, into the richest city in asia and proudly proclaimed to get rich is glorious (something he probably didn't literally say) but the sentiment was felt and for a while china seemed to be slowly embracing western capitalist democracy, even introducing the idea of separation of powers so something like mao could never happen again. But in capitalism there are inevitable winners and losers, unlike in socialism where everybody's a loser, and people, especially students, began getting pissed that some of them might end up having to find jobs which lead to unrest that allowed the right wing of the ccp to oust the main liberal reformer posed to succeed deng as paramout leader of china, and his death of a heart attack some time later fanned the flames for mass student protests, first in beijing, then all around china with the right wing of the ccp seeing them as evidence of a full blown revolution. Cue the tanks guns deaths the restriction of all previously given civil liberties the re concentration of power into the core of the ccp purges drama drama drama and you basically arrive at china today, a national socialist shithole (legitimacy is incredibly important to the continuation of states, and the ccp has pivoted heavily towards nationalism as opposed to socialism as one is much more appealing to the masses in the face of capitalistic wealth) that briefly toyed with the idea of democracy and liberty.

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Maoism is a flavour of right wing communism though

right wing communism

Oh is made up retardanese like "alt-right adjacent" too?

There are some people who believe that. These people assign authorianism to the right wing of the political spectrum. Therefore, any dictatorship, whether it's socialistic, islamistic or nationalistic, is by definition right-wing.

Needless to say these people are stupid.

Yeah there was this one kraut I knew that unironically tried to argue people like Stalin were right wing. Claimed it was a common view over there until everyone started making fun of him.

Drama else will be first in line to lose their right to vote.

He was far right tho

Shooter last night was far-right but Mao?

Sure he was. But there are enough stupid rightoids trying (and sometimes succeeding) to kill people in Germany alone, no need to paint Mao and Muslims as far-right as well.

Most Muslim terrorists are right-wing.

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[–]Ab6012 [score hidden] an hour ago My 2 grandads were badass antifa. One didn't come back.

this doods grandpappy was probably fighting against desegregation

It's Germany...the government tightly controls the media and only when it's aligned with government directives are stories involving violence is allowed to be covered.

Those were all far-right Muslim terrorists, dude.

Charlie Hebdo was motivated by religion. That's right-wing.

Pulse was motivated by homophobia. Right-wing.

9/11 was motivated by hating the liberal west. Right-wing.

You shot yourself in the foot with this one, Adolf

I don't think I will come across such an intelligent person again in my life.

I’m just gonna squat on the top comment to say: I fucking told you guys, “don’t jump to conclusions about the attacker’s identity or motives, you’re running the risk of embarrassing yourselves.

I've dealt with this before. To them, everything bad, immoral, violent, or authoritative is right wing. These people literally believe that Right = Bad and Left = Good.

Fuckin fugees.

They were truly a great band.

The problem is that ours are mayos.

Far right Illan Omar is racist towards Jews. Hmm I think I get how this works 🤔

The Left

defends and panders to the extremely conservative muslim community against the evil right wing racists

Also the Left

throws people who follow the teachings and laws of said community under the bus and now calls them 'right wing' despite them apparently needing protection from the 'right wing'

big iq

Keep blowing muslims though, leftoids. Imagine blaming them for every single terrorist attack, yet still getting on your knees to worship ragheaded cock.

I guess the left proved they're even more retarded than I thought.

Isn't worlnews just shills? I follow some of them. One's a German.

"Yes, yes," shouts the kangaroo loudly in between. "There is a difference. Some set fire to foreigners, others set fire to cars. And lighting cars is worse. Because it could have been my car. I don't own foreigners."

Based kangaroo.

Wheres the lie

This is completely true, though? I don't get it.

Far-Right Atheist shoots dead 70 Norwegian Children

Did I miss something??

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What the fuck lol redditors are literally saying that per-capita shouldn't matter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/f6poy6/germany_mass_shooting_man_who_shot_nine_dead_at/fi6yfks/

Las FARC, ETA, IRA? Just out of the top of my head 🤷‍♂️