A certain Portland sub is unhappy their new rallying point likes to drink and drive

1  2020-12-10 by Feanorfanclub

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Oh dude, that's literally the tip of the tip of the iceberg! Here's a writeup I shamelessly stole from you OrangeMargarita:


A stand off is occurring at what has come to be called the Red House on Mississippi, between law enforcement who were attempting to enforce an eviction order pursuant to a foreclosure action, and the homeowners and their supporters who have armed themselves and set up barricades on the block to resist them. Mayor Ted Wheeler has taken a stronger stance on this autonomous zone than the larger one that arose over the summer in CHAZ/CHOP.

The protestors, who seem to be folks we'd typically characterize as being part of the activist left are framing this as a case of serial abuse meted out against an Afro-indigenous family, first by predatory lenders, and now by heartless cops who would see the Kinneys thrown out of the home that's been in their family for five generations, in the middle of a pandemic no less, simply to do the bidding of greedy bankers.

The Wheeler/police position seems to be that there's been a full and fair court process and now they are simply bound to uphold the law without fear or favor, the bank is now the legal owner and as such the family must leave.

Neither side's PR seems to be keen on getting down into the details of how this all went down. The activists I've seen on Twitter have made vague references to "they fell on hard times" and "they tried to help a family member in need." But one Twitter user, identified only as Rebecca had a thread I happened to catch where she compiled the larger story. And although she doesn't seem to be a journalist or have any first-person insight, she does cite sources, including court docs and a blog post attributed to one of the Kinneys.

So the larger story, according to Rebecca's reporting seems to be that this all goes back to the early 2000s where a teenage William Kinney committed a driving infraction that resulted in his license being suspended. Then, driving on an already suspended license, he ran a stop sign at a high speed and collided with the car of a 74-year old man who died in the crash. At that time, the family home was paid off and likely had been for a long time, but his parents mortgaged it in order to get him a lawyer, and then remortgaged it a few years later, although whether that second mortgage was also for legal costs or just a better rate or something is not clear to me.

Kinney eventually strikes a plea deal and has his license permanently revoked as part of that deal. But in 2007, and again in 2010 he's arrested for driving without a license, one time with cocaine possession, and one time because he's driving around a guy that federal officers recognize as a fugitive they've been looking for. Obviously, Kinney's second case was pretty serious in that somebody died, but these later cases of driving without a license, drug possession, etc. are not such serious charges, but the Kinney family is done y'all. By this time they're identifying as sovereign citizens and file documents to that effect, and insist that this is basically a hostile foreign government making them political prisoners because of their sovereign citizen status.

They also stop paying their mortgage in 2007, again citing their status as sovereign citizens not beholden to contracts they made under Oregon law because they have declared they are not citizens of Oregon. This isn't the only reason they cite today, they also cite predatory lending practices and it's worth noting that their mortgages were taken out when the subprime parket was indeed pretty large and relevant and there could be some truth there.

They assert that as persons of both African and Upper Skagit ancestry, that a) their land is indigenous land anyway and the US has no claim to it, and b) As Moors they are covered by the Morrocan peace and friendship treaty of 1786. Thus, after filing a mind boggling number of motions, lawsuits, citizens arrest warrants, etc., THEY served notice that THEY would be holding a trial, and ordered defendants to appear. They then went to the local courthouse with a guy who claims to be a Moorish emperor, found an empty courtroom, and when the other parties didn't show, the emperor declared that they prevailed via a default judgement. They were quickly thrown out by courthouse security. Their motions in Oregon courts did not fare much better, and by 2018 a judge ordered their eviction. It's unclear, but this may have been appealed, and thus it's only now they have exhausted all options.


Here's the twitter account they base this on, it has a video and tons of more details, including that "William is now going by William X. Nietzche (note the spelling), and refers to his parents as "Mickey, Pharaoh; and Jewel, Empress of Compassion." This could seriously be the weirdest drama of the year!

(btw, the autojannie sperging at random slashes in comments even when they do not form anything resembling a subreddit name is getting old)

He got away with manslaughter if he never drove again and he did it again while committing more crimes. That's some next level retardation.

It's the oppression from the judicial system blacks face. If he had white privilege he could've said "I didn't know I can't do that" and walk free.

That’s Chip’s Law

Ain't no laws when you're eating chips.

... sorry, I got that you got the reference but this response no doubt inspired by the certain stickyposter was too atrociously unfunny not to post.

They could have made it into another Bundy Standoff, but the thought didn't even cross their mind. I'd say they got what's coming to them.

As Moors they are covered by the Morrocan peace and friendship treaty of 1786

LOL. If there was actually any possible valid legal loophole- no matter how complex, contrived or LARP heavy it turns out to be- that allowed for morroccans to freely emigrate/travel to the US, morrocco would have already been empty for decades now lol.

Also the obsession african americans have for moors is very weird. Like, I still hear stories of people having legally owned (black) slaves up until the french cracked down on slavery and even then "unofficial" slavery persisted until the 1960s lmao.

And do they even know who captured and traded african slaves the most, local slave catchers excluded? Hint: It wasn't tha evil jews, it was the moors

They assert that as persons of both African and Upper Skagit ancestry, that a) their land is indigenous land anyway and the US has no claim to it, and b) As Moors they are covered by the Morrocan peace and friendship treaty of 1786. Thus, after filing a mind boggling number of motions, lawsuits, citizens arrest warrants, etc., THEY served notice that THEY would be holding a trial, and ordered defendants to appear. They then went to the local courthouse with a guy who claims to be a Moorish emperor, found an empty courtroom, and when the other parties didn't show, the emperor declared that they prevailed via a default judgement. They were quickly thrown out by courthouse security.

Mod these people

They assert that as persons of both African and Upper Skagit ancestry, that a) their land is indigenous land anyway and the US has no claim to it, and b) As Moors they are covered by the Morrocan peace and friendship treaty of 1786.

Sovereign citizen, but woke.

Portland remains America's worst city.

Tfw no snappy

Put down autojannie

The replies there are unhinged. No arguments, just “have compassion”.

So a whole family deserves to lose their home? Have so compassion for fucks sake.

Uh, yes. When you don't pay your mortgage, you lose your home. Obviously? These people are deranged.

Here's his facebook

At some point you would think that someone in the woke induced mania would think to vett these people they try to rally around.

You think they aren't aware of all this? They are and they claim that the real reason for all of this is that their son is black and was thus punished way harder than a m*yo.

Never though I'd see the day when the woke crowd would go all sovcit and qanon to own the fash.

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I didn't! MOOODS!

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