“Employees are free to take up whatever cause they want, support whatever movements they'd like, and speak out on whatever horrible injustices are being perpetrated on this group or that (and, unfortunately, there are far too many to choose from). But that's their business, not ours. We're in the business of making software, and a few tangential things that touch that edge. We're responsible for ourselves. That's more than enough for us.”
There really is something deranged about throwing away your livelihood for The Cause. Especially when that cause becomes less and less understandable by the day. After their momentary righteous high dies out they will have to grapple with the reality that they are jobless and forgotten by the next day. The nameless martyrs of cultural Jihad. Inshallah.
yeah, I never cared about quitting or getting fired. I'd have a job in 2 weeks, so I'd take a week off, interviews week 2, and week 3 I'd relax with a job on week 4.
Exactly lol. I work in an adjacent industry and after leaving I took a month off to rest and realign, then applied and interviewed for a month, and then had a job and started mid month 3. And that was with meh experience.
I always liked taking the 3-6 month contracts for intermediate level devs. There is no competition in that space because most people want the long-term job with benefits, but I liked jumping jobs and would have multiple offers since there is no competition for intermediate+ and short contracts.
Is that all remote work? I would hate to have been moving every 6 months though.
I guess I am more in the business analyst app analyst space so the only contracts are usually 1-2 year software migrations and at least pre covid I think those were more or less you had to be there though
Ohhh no I would still stay local but just take contracts. I’m from Miami so there were always these jobs available. I wouldn’t want to move like that either.
Tbqh people try to poach me in Charlotte area(where I'm at) for independent contractor work all the time so if someone offered me 50 grand to leave and the poaching timing was right hell yeah I'd probably lol
Speaking of which, do you technically work as an independent contractor then? How are taxes on that? I always heard that shit sucks worse than just working through a contracting firm sometimes
So, the short answer is that the IRS does not allow companies to hire you as an independent contractor and require you to go onsite. They have to hire you full time. Some small companies do it, but they could get fined by the IRS if you reported them. The big tech companies (and people who do it the legit way) work through recruiters. The recruiting companies will hire you full time and then you work at their client's site (the employer). It's a sneaky way to get around the IRS rules. Some recruiters will give you healthcare benefits, so you get that benefit. The downside is that you don't get holiday pay but IME lots of people who sign off on your time will pay you anyway. It depends on who signs off on your time.
There's a company called Basecamp that instituted a new policy of not talking about politics through official work channels, among other things. This made some people at the company mad because silence is violence, not being political is inherently political because you're okay with the status quo, yada yada. Programmercels literally think they're changing the world by talking politics at work.
The whispers of how you had handled a prior company discussion when someone raised the able-ist language in the title of a recently published company book.
I looked up the company books and there are two possible candidates for the target of this criticism:
Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship Work that Matters
I am writing this while on medical leave from Basecamp, a condition that was necessary in large part because of the extreme emotional duress I have experienced as an employee at the company
God fucking damn, how the hell is a cushy desk job ever extreme emotional duress? These people have no life perspective at all.
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130 AugustinesBitchBoy 2021-05-01
This is controversial in current year +6
107 General_Insomnia 2021-05-01
Seems like it was a cheap legal way of getting rid of the more mentally challenged employees in the company
66 Leylinus 2021-05-01
This but unironically.
Business owner discovers how to defeat the Civil Rights Act with this one weird trick. Diversity officers HATE him!
36 CosmoSucks 2021-05-01
There really is something deranged about throwing away your livelihood for The Cause. Especially when that cause becomes less and less understandable by the day. After their momentary righteous high dies out they will have to grapple with the reality that they are jobless and forgotten by the next day. The nameless martyrs of cultural Jihad. Inshallah.
12 Pewkie 2021-05-01
You guys know they got 6 months severance in an industry that takes 2 months maximum to get hired in right?
4 Lysis10 2021-05-01
yeah, I never cared about quitting or getting fired. I'd have a job in 2 weeks, so I'd take a week off, interviews week 2, and week 3 I'd relax with a job on week 4.
4 Pewkie 2021-05-01
Exactly lol. I work in an adjacent industry and after leaving I took a month off to rest and realign, then applied and interviewed for a month, and then had a job and started mid month 3. And that was with meh experience.
4 Lysis10 2021-05-01
I always liked taking the 3-6 month contracts for intermediate level devs. There is no competition in that space because most people want the long-term job with benefits, but I liked jumping jobs and would have multiple offers since there is no competition for intermediate+ and short contracts.
3 Pewkie 2021-05-01
Is that all remote work? I would hate to have been moving every 6 months though.
I guess I am more in the business analyst app analyst space so the only contracts are usually 1-2 year software migrations and at least pre covid I think those were more or less you had to be there though
5 Lysis10 2021-05-01
Ohhh no I would still stay local but just take contracts. I’m from Miami so there were always these jobs available. I wouldn’t want to move like that either.
1 Pewkie 2021-05-01
Tbqh people try to poach me in Charlotte area(where I'm at) for independent contractor work all the time so if someone offered me 50 grand to leave and the poaching timing was right hell yeah I'd probably lol
Speaking of which, do you technically work as an independent contractor then? How are taxes on that? I always heard that shit sucks worse than just working through a contracting firm sometimes
2 Lysis10 2021-05-01
So, the short answer is that the IRS does not allow companies to hire you as an independent contractor and require you to go onsite. They have to hire you full time. Some small companies do it, but they could get fined by the IRS if you reported them. The big tech companies (and people who do it the legit way) work through recruiters. The recruiting companies will hire you full time and then you work at their client's site (the employer). It's a sneaky way to get around the IRS rules. Some recruiters will give you healthcare benefits, so you get that benefit. The downside is that you don't get holiday pay but IME lots of people who sign off on your time will pay you anyway. It depends on who signs off on your time.
1 CosmoSucks 2021-05-01
72 virgins just like I said yah
1 Pewkie 2021-05-01
The real cultural jihad was the friends we made along the way
73 tenebrous_cloud 2021-05-01
How to get troublemakers to leave your company without unemployment benefits.
43 hi_0 2021-05-01
What is this referring to?
66 genuinegrill 2021-05-01
OP is such an r-word.
There's a company called Basecamp that instituted a new policy of not talking about politics through official work channels, among other things. This made some people at the company mad because silence is violence, not being political is inherently political because you're okay with the status quo, yada yada. Programmercels literally think they're changing the world by talking politics at work.
You can find employees posting their resignations on Twitter.
24 CulturalYogurt 2021-05-01
Let us not forget the dramatic open letter in response (An open letter to Basecamp CEOs) (and the hacker news comments)
And the "reporting" that suggests that this new policy is only because the CEO's hand was recently bit by the wokies they fed. (plus the hacker news comments)
20 genuinegrill 2021-05-01
I looked up the company books and there are two possible candidates for the target of this criticism:
Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship Work that Matters
It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work
I wonder which one it was.
8 Brilliant-Deal7937 2021-05-01
God fucking damn, how the hell is a cushy desk job ever extreme emotional duress? These people have no life perspective at all.
18 HyperIceCube 2021-05-01
I dont get it, just do your work and go home why do people want to talk about politics at work?
7 jubbergun 2021-05-01
I can just imagine the shocked and saddened reaction of the Basecamp's owners/management.
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32 __TIE_Guy 2021-05-01
This^ I want to laugh too...
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3 johannesalthusius 2021-05-01
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/n1c1li/creator_of_dead_web_framework_tells_his_wage/
29 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2021-05-01
Wow another make-work software company drama.
14 UpvoteIfYouDare 2021-05-01
Software isn't real engineering because there's way too much overt drama within the industry.
7 UnheardIdentity 2021-05-01
Please give even a crumb of context.
3 Shubard75 2021-05-01
Uh sweetie making your company fail is good actually
3 tiptopkitkat 2021-05-01
Lot of new job openings, Indians are coming.
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