The term nazi has lost all meaning over the last few months. I love when, depending on who is doing the talking, the same person can either be a nazi or an sjw.
Yes. He quite literally argued that point several times with Destiny (check out the 2 hour "debate" where he fumbles all over himself) and backed Steve King in Twitter when that Congressman said something similar.
It's honestly just 2 hours of JonTron stuttering, gasping, and deflecting any point that doesn't say whites are superior and should have their own nation (the US is that nation for some reason.)
Look up a direct quote from him, and by direct I mean have source material at hand. Some of these people think he's arguing black people are genetically inferior for pointing out poor white people commit more crimes than rich black people. Oh and that wasn't a straw man, someone literally did what I just explained.
He argued against immigration even if they are nonviolent because they would eventually get into the gene pool, and that's not hyperbole he actually said that.
I'm pretty sure that Jontrons not a nazi but arguing (poorly) for a white majority ethnostate , denying Oppression exists in any western country, going on about a global elite and arguing that colonialism was a net good doesn't really help the "he's not a nazi" argument.
yeah i mean he might not literally be a self identified Nazi but if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog it is entirely possible it is technically a dog
Hmm, that sounds like too much thinking, and you don't seem to be saying that it is universally bad....so I'm going to have to call you a Nazi. Sorry, bud.
I mean as someone who has actually studied colonialism on and off for a few years.... I mean it has good things like genocide usually has good things, you know, cheap goods and lots of space where natives used to live.
Studied it how? Colonial and post-colonial readings feature in most humanities and social science courses in the West. The thing is, humanities and social science researchers exist in an ideological bubble, and their research is largely theoretical.
I am skeptical of the impartiality and methods of said researchers, but if someone can point me to an economist who has written about the net effect of colonization on living standards, I would be interested to read it, regardless of their conclusion.
If you are going to come back at me with some Lacanian or Deluzian theoretical paper, you can suck my big pith helmet.
Thanks. Gonna put it on the Kindle. Though it doesn't look to like it's specifically about the impact of colonialism. Roughly, what do they say on that?
My recollection is that they contrast different models of colonialism. Colonies that recreated the institutions of the home country in the new land (e.g., Australia, Hong Kong) went on to be successful post-colonial states, while colonies that were basically just resource-extraction schemes (e.g., much of Latin America & Africa) mostly ended up being shitty kleptocracies post independence.
While interesting, this is a comparison of different colonies, rather than a comparison of colonies with non-colonies. I'm more interested in the whether colonialism was had a net positive or negative impact. Maybe it's impossible to answer, but there must have been some people who at least addressed this question directly?
I agree that this is an interesting question, but it's been so long since I've engaged w/ the development economics literature (it was my area of concentration in school, but then I randomly ended up going into healthcare in the job market) that I am probably the wrong person to ask.
Aside: the list of countries that were never either (a) colonies or (b) colonizers seems like a pretty short one. You have a number of Asian states, but it feels like most of the rest of the world falls into either column (a) or column (b). No?
Yep. Ethiopia, Thailand, Japan, and Korea are to my knowledge the only countries that were never colonized by European empires. However, Thailand and Korea were both later invaded and colonized by the Japanese Empire.
So in trying to compare colonies to non-colonies, we quickly run into the problem of having +100 countries to draw data from in the former and only two - Ethiopia and Japan - in the latter.
And Ethiopia was perhaps the best example of "colonize me pls" -- they invited the Soviets in and did their best to enact whatever the advisors advised. To no good end.
economist who has written about the net effect of colonization on living standards
Does this really matter when you're talking about something that involved massive oppression, violence and slavery? "Oh but the survivors have roads now!"
I take your point and it is a very sensitive issue. But it's certainly not only about roads. It's about the overall impact of colonization on the living standards of subsequent generations, through infrastructure, institutions and technology.
I don't know much about this, but not all colonial regimes were equally bad or good. And some ex-colonies have higher living standards than others (Malaysia and Taiwan seem all right). It may be that some countries would have fared better with no intervention at all, while others may have gained something. We have to try to consider where they are relative to where they might have been.
It's probably not possible to do this, but I think we're unable to even attempt to at the moment, because it's still such a sensitive issue. Perhaps in more time we will be able to think about the effects of colonialism in the same way we look at the Roman invasion of Britain or something like that. Peace.
the net effect of colonization on living standards
Not possible. Objectively, america has invented a massive amount of modern technology that people take for granted. If you somehow made it so everything america ever did didn't exist, the world would be a lot shittier.
But that's not really how the world works. Some other country would have invented the cotton gin and the modern light bulb and whatnot. But we can't possibly know when, or what kind of impact they would have had, or anything.
And that is why this argument is stupid. It's entirely rational to say "without colonialism, the world would be 200 years' worth less technologically evolved". It's also entirely rational to say "if america hadn't done it, someone else would have". People are screaming at one another over speculative fiction.
But if you just mean "has the impact america has had on the world offset waging war on the natives", all other things being equal, then yes. Medicine and technology invented in america, as well as american foreign aid, have saved thousands of times more lives than were lost in the 18th century.
Am I the only one who actually followed this shit? He's talking about western culture a lot and argues that mass immigration into the west leads to the end of western culture in the west due to assimilation not being necessary. Since he sees western culture as something positive (he attributes the opportunities he had to it) he speaks out against what he perceives as a threat to it.
He also complains that white majority countries are held to a different standard than other countries (Eg: demanding japan to become less japanese is unacceptable, but demanding that germany becomes less german is completely normal and demanded as well as endorsed by large chunks of various institutions including journalism, universities, governments, ...)
He got fucking rekt by destiny though, but that is to be expected since destiny has a lot of experience debating while jontron isn't.
Well in conclusion: the outrage merchants sure seem loud, but when looking at his subscriber count there don't appear to be many of them nor does it seem like they hold a lot of sway with the general public. The whole outrage cost him like 12'000 to 15'000 subscribers so far. I would have expected a lot more tbh since even some media outlets jumped on the outrage train.
Eg: demanding japan to become less japanese is unacceptable, but demanding that germany becomes less german is completely normal and demanded as well as endorsed by large chunks of various institutions including journalism, universities, governments, ...)
I dunno about that, one of the prevailing narratives about Japan is that its on the decline in population and in status as a world power due to its strict insular culture, xenophobia and poor economic policies. People have been demanding that Japan change in order to thrive in the future for a while now
Not Japanese people though. They really don't have that much problem with xenophobia as we westerns have come to do.
It's really unfair to judge a person for observing these things - westerners are constantly accusing each other of xenophobia and racism, while Japan and many Muslim countries are pretty aggressive towards minorities. Japanese government is doing its best to keep refugees locked and away.
you think that maybe the disapproval of german nationalism might have something to do with the history of it? like im not tryna say n*zis because i know thats a slur against the whites but im just saying it didnt work great last time
I mean, Japan is pretty different from America as far as immigration goes. America is expected to take immigrants because unless you live on a reservation your family immigrated sometime in the past few hundred years.
But seriously though if you live in America or Germany or the Netherlands or anywhere like that in the current year and claim to be "oppressed" you are a gigantic baby.
Youre not wrong, but you are exactly the type of poster he was talking about looking at your posting history. It's really obvious that you and a lot of the people there are using this controversy to grind your political axe. There's a reason you guys were condoned off into megathreads.
All the substance of the meltdown aside but is it really an argument to point out his dad is an Iranian and expect from him to actually hate US? How should that influence the way he feels about the whole thing? Isn’t he an individual whose political thinking can be decoupled from his heritage?
I thought the reason people immigrate to a country is, partly what the country is all about?
Isn’t he an individual whose political thinking can be decoupled from his heritage?
Minorities can only express opinions that benefit them, otherwise they are uncle toms. Self sacrifice is only something the noble white SJW is capable of.
The issue, from what little I've cared to gather, seems to be that he's spouting isolationist rhetoric while benefiting from a lifestyle that's possible largely due to interculturality (son of immigrants in a first worldcountry, youtube celebrity). No one expects him to hate the US, they just think his posture is hypocritical considering his background.
It'd be like someone with a fatal chronic medical condition whose treatment is paid by the government speaking against universal healthcare.
I thought the reason people immigrate to a country is, partly what the country is all about?
Well, there is the argument of economic necessity. Someone may dislike the culture of a country in question, but still desire to live within it due to economic wants.
See: every empty threat to leave the U.S when an election doesn't go someone's way.
If there's a small group in the settled country, an immigrant may have no choice but to integrate and adopt the values of their host society. But, if there's a large enough group that shares a cultural connection of their former country to associate with, they have much less reason to do so.
Not quite an ethnostate within a larger state, but sort of the same idea, I guess. With far, far, less cross-cultural exchange.
But I don't know what this apparent tubby (Iranian?) hitler is going on about, though. From the comments here, some kind of dumb white power nonsense that I couldn't care about.
I always wonder how many people that comment and interact with this stuff were actually a fan of the person or just want to dogpile them when their shit comes out.
just click on anyone defending him the hardest and notice they usually post on at least one rightwing sub. shockingly, people who disagree with his views post in communities opposong those views, and visa versa? (((something))) is up here
Nah just go look at some top comments right now, all of these faggots have never even posted in the sub before now but are from places like /r/EnoughTrumpSpam or some other SJW rathole.
Yet I've never posted in in /r/JonTron and don't plan to.
Its almost like only certain groups of people with a certain ideology feel the need to replace the indigenous population of /r/jontron with immigrants.
why is he celebrated for calling out post histories and im not? dudes whining that people that disagree with him post in certain subs, so i pointed out that he does too. its the same shit
Except it's not. He has posted in Drama for years, and in kia for years. The people he is calling out had never posted in the jontron subreddit before this shit came up. How do you possibly not see the difference?
he was calling out that they post to leftist subs, not that they never post to jontron. and not to mention that jontrons fanbase extends far beyond his subreddit. its simply the appropriate place to be talking about it
The people he is calling out had never posted in the jontron subreddit before this shit came up
I watched jontron but didn't participate in the subreddit. how many submissions to fucking the_donald and shit like that encouraging to brigade the subreddit do you need?
I know, but I have read a bunch of retards saying "look, even his sub has turned on him!!" when the majority of the people shitting on him don't actively engage in the sub lol
Neither the people attacking him or defending him probably have a ton of overlap with his really dedicated fanbase, who're probably just wishing this never happened.
It's just another battleground between the "we're not Nazi's we just want the government to enforce a white ethnostate" types and those who like to argue with them. The guy in the middle of it isn't even mentioned in half the comments, they're all just arguing the relative merits of their tribe.
Well, one thing that makes it pretty obvious on /r/jontron are the flairs. Back before all this bullshit, the proportion of flaired users (ACUTAL /r/jontron users) was way higher, but go look at their current megathread on politics, the number of flaired users is way lower.
Normal people meaning people who don't spend a majority of their time playing video games and watching youtube? Hell no. He has an extremely specific niche which he fills fairly, but not extremely, well. He's as famous to the general public as any given across-the-board average lacrosse captain.
Wanted to make sure everyone remembered that if you are a living creature with even the slightest amount of care for anything you deserve to be eradicated.
But but but ... I have like 10 people following me from that one time I posted 100% playthroughs of a (now-obsolete) release of a game that almost nobody has ever heard of.
I have no idea who this guy but the fact he's getting so many liberal mayos worked up is great. And that meltdown thread is hilarious the denial of statistics and facts is hilarious
"Because of the lack of productive capacities of its own, the Jewish Folk cannot carry out the construction of a State, viewed in a territorial sense, but as a support of its own existence it needs the work and creative activities of other nations. Thus the existence of the Jew himself becomes a parasitical one within the lives of other Folks. Hence the ultimate goal of the Jewish struggle for existence is the enslavement of productively active Folks. In order to achieve this goal, which in reality has represented Jewry's struggle for existence at all times, the Jew makes use of all weapons that are in keeping with the whole complex of his character. Therefore in domestic politics within the individual nations he fights first for equal rights and later for superior rights. The characteristics of cunning, intelligence, astuteness, knavery, dissimulation, and so on, rooted in the character of his Folkdom, serve him as weapons thereto. They are as much stratagems in his war of survival as those of other Folks in combat. In foreign policy, he tries to bring nations into a state of unrest, to divert them from their true interests, and to plunge them into reciprocal wars, and in this way gradually rise to mastery over them with the help of the power of money and propaganda. His ultimate goal is the denationalisation, the promiscuous bastardisation of other Folks, the lowering of the racial levy of the highest Folks, as well as the domination of this racial mishmash through the extirpation of the Folkish intelligentsia and its replacement by the members of his own Folk."
He's talked about wanting genetic purity I heard (but haven't gotten sources because this shit is too cringe and autistic for me to follow). If this is true then he is most definitely some kind of nazi-like person at the very least.
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n/a headasplodes 2017-03-15
"Hello fellow robotic Jonathan fans I too am a robotic Jonathan fan but let me tell you why he is most definitely a white nationalist"
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I don't think I agree with a lot of what he's said but he's clearly not a Fucking Nazi so it really doesn't matter.
n/a felsoul 2017-03-15
The term nazi has lost all meaning over the last few months. I love when, depending on who is doing the talking, the same person can either be a nazi or an sjw.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-03-15
Good thing we decided you can punch Nazis, right
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
yea these days all you have to do is argue that interracial marriage is more or less genocide and people just scream nazi! nazi! its ridiculous
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-03-15
Who did that?
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
JonTron for one
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-03-15
JonTron said interracial marriage is more or less genocide? Was that in the debate?
What a weird thing for him to say.
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
Yes. He quite literally argued that point several times with Destiny (check out the 2 hour "debate" where he fumbles all over himself) and backed Steve King in Twitter when that Congressman said something similar.
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-03-15
I'm not watching a two hour debate tbh.
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
It's honestly just 2 hours of JonTron stuttering, gasping, and deflecting any point that doesn't say whites are superior and should have their own nation (the US is that nation for some reason.)
n/a thirdegree 2017-03-15
TBH listening to Destiny debate a fucking idiot sounds like a productive waste of time.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-03-15
Look up a direct quote from him, and by direct I mean have source material at hand. Some of these people think he's arguing black people are genetically inferior for pointing out poor white people commit more crimes than rich black people. Oh and that wasn't a straw man, someone literally did what I just explained.
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-03-15
At the moment it's usually safe to dismiss accusations of being literally Hitler when they get thrown around so I'm not taking much notice anyway.
n/a awesomedude4100 2017-03-15
He argued against immigration even if they are nonviolent because they would eventually get into the gene pool, and that's not hyperbole he actually said that.
n/a ItsSugar 2017-03-15
This is what happens when you decide that it's wrong to call someone a retard. You have no generic slur for people spouting retarded shit.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-15
yeah it's pretty gay
n/a ModerateThuggery 2017-03-15
You know I've heard of a not insignificant number of Jews arguing the same thing.
That being bred out of existence due to demographics is a second holocaust, I mean. Not that they themselves are the real Nazis.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-03-15
Next Indiana Jones movie should have him fighting The_Donald
n/a grungebot5000 2017-03-15
where the fuck were you people the past seven decades
n/a toclosetotheedge 2017-03-15
I'm pretty sure that Jontrons not a nazi but arguing (poorly) for a white majority ethnostate , denying Oppression exists in any western country, going on about a global elite and arguing that colonialism was a net good doesn't really help the "he's not a nazi" argument.
n/a bleepis 2017-03-15
yeah i mean he might not literally be a self identified Nazi but if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog it is entirely possible it is technically a dog
n/a hesh582 2017-03-15
hmm I dunno, that's up for debate. If it barks "I'm not a dog you PC cuck" loudly enough, what does that make it?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-15
a furry
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
usually a socially awkward retard
n/a bleepis 2017-03-15
scooby doo
n/a hesh582 2017-03-15
RrrrI'm rot a Razi, Raggy! RrrI'm a race rrrealist!
n/a bleepis 2017-03-15
scooby snacks = tendies. confirmed
n/a hesh582 2017-03-15
It was a (((G-g-g-g-ghost)))!
n/a Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-03-15
colonialism was good or bad is a moot point. It's such complex topic and to boil it down to a dichotomy of good and bad is just retarded.
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-03-15
Hmm, that sounds like too much thinking, and you don't seem to be saying that it is universally bad....so I'm going to have to call you a Nazi. Sorry, bud.
n/a Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-03-15
Shit they are onto us Jon "The Fuhrer" Tron. Get the volkswagen
n/a Eitdgwlgo 2017-03-15
Fuck you. You can't expect me to actually learn about history before I decide to form a opinion that I will defend to the death.
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
I mean as someone who has actually studied colonialism on and off for a few years.... I mean it has good things like genocide usually has good things, you know, cheap goods and lots of space where natives used to live.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
Studied it how? Colonial and post-colonial readings feature in most humanities and social science courses in the West. The thing is, humanities and social science researchers exist in an ideological bubble, and their research is largely theoretical.
I am skeptical of the impartiality and methods of said researchers, but if someone can point me to an economist who has written about the net effect of colonization on living standards, I would be interested to read it, regardless of their conclusion.
If you are going to come back at me with some Lacanian or Deluzian theoretical paper, you can suck my big pith helmet.
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
Well I am an economy minor, but I haven't actually done anything like that yet, but thanks for giving me a thesis idea!!!!
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-03-15
Look at Acemoglu & Robinson's book Why Nations Fail.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
Thanks. Gonna put it on the Kindle. Though it doesn't look to like it's specifically about the impact of colonialism. Roughly, what do they say on that?
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-03-15
My recollection is that they contrast different models of colonialism. Colonies that recreated the institutions of the home country in the new land (e.g., Australia, Hong Kong) went on to be successful post-colonial states, while colonies that were basically just resource-extraction schemes (e.g., much of Latin America & Africa) mostly ended up being shitty kleptocracies post independence.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
While interesting, this is a comparison of different colonies, rather than a comparison of colonies with non-colonies. I'm more interested in the whether colonialism was had a net positive or negative impact. Maybe it's impossible to answer, but there must have been some people who at least addressed this question directly?
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-03-15
I agree that this is an interesting question, but it's been so long since I've engaged w/ the development economics literature (it was my area of concentration in school, but then I randomly ended up going into healthcare in the job market) that I am probably the wrong person to ask.
Aside: the list of countries that were never either (a) colonies or (b) colonizers seems like a pretty short one. You have a number of Asian states, but it feels like most of the rest of the world falls into either column (a) or column (b). No?
n/a -RedStateRed- 2017-03-15
Yep. Ethiopia, Thailand, Japan, and Korea are to my knowledge the only countries that were never colonized by European empires. However, Thailand and Korea were both later invaded and colonized by the Japanese Empire.
So in trying to compare colonies to non-colonies, we quickly run into the problem of having +100 countries to draw data from in the former and only two - Ethiopia and Japan - in the latter.
n/a Chanchumaetrius 2017-03-15
Ethiopia was conquered by Italy in 1936.
Thailand was a Jap ally I think, technically.
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-03-15
And Ethiopia was perhaps the best example of "colonize me pls" -- they invited the Soviets in and did their best to enact whatever the advisors advised. To no good end.
Japan is, of course, sui generis.
Counterfactuals are hard.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
Any good books/articles on this?
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
How you know all this about colonialism? Bet you wear jodhpurs, you sicko.
ps Any good books/articles on this?
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
That is a good point. Cheers. And I will give the book a look
n/a edrood 2017-03-15
Does this really matter when you're talking about something that involved massive oppression, violence and slavery? "Oh but the survivors have roads now!"
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-15
Agreed, all migration should be highly regulated. Only bad things come from outsiders coming into a country.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
I take your point and it is a very sensitive issue. But it's certainly not only about roads. It's about the overall impact of colonization on the living standards of subsequent generations, through infrastructure, institutions and technology.
I don't know much about this, but not all colonial regimes were equally bad or good. And some ex-colonies have higher living standards than others (Malaysia and Taiwan seem all right). It may be that some countries would have fared better with no intervention at all, while others may have gained something. We have to try to consider where they are relative to where they might have been.
It's probably not possible to do this, but I think we're unable to even attempt to at the moment, because it's still such a sensitive issue. Perhaps in more time we will be able to think about the effects of colonialism in the same way we look at the Roman invasion of Britain or something like that. Peace.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-03-15
Not possible. Objectively, america has invented a massive amount of modern technology that people take for granted. If you somehow made it so everything america ever did didn't exist, the world would be a lot shittier.
But that's not really how the world works. Some other country would have invented the cotton gin and the modern light bulb and whatnot. But we can't possibly know when, or what kind of impact they would have had, or anything.
And that is why this argument is stupid. It's entirely rational to say "without colonialism, the world would be 200 years' worth less technologically evolved". It's also entirely rational to say "if america hadn't done it, someone else would have". People are screaming at one another over speculative fiction.
But if you just mean "has the impact america has had on the world offset waging war on the natives", all other things being equal, then yes. Medicine and technology invented in america, as well as american foreign aid, have saved thousands of times more lives than were lost in the 18th century.
n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
Sounds reasonable, but you got any graphs or professors making the same argument? Need sources for debatezz
n/a OccasionallyClueless 2017-03-15
https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-15
You have to go back.
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Get out commie.
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-15
/u/I_Drink_To_Forget drink until you forget to breathe
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Go pick a cotton field friend.
n/a SnackBier 2017-03-15
Am I the only one who actually followed this shit? He's talking about western culture a lot and argues that mass immigration into the west leads to the end of western culture in the west due to assimilation not being necessary. Since he sees western culture as something positive (he attributes the opportunities he had to it) he speaks out against what he perceives as a threat to it.
He also complains that white majority countries are held to a different standard than other countries (Eg: demanding japan to become less japanese is unacceptable, but demanding that germany becomes less german is completely normal and demanded as well as endorsed by large chunks of various institutions including journalism, universities, governments, ...)
He got fucking rekt by destiny though, but that is to be expected since destiny has a lot of experience debating while jontron isn't.
Well in conclusion: the outrage merchants sure seem loud, but when looking at his subscriber count there don't appear to be many of them nor does it seem like they hold a lot of sway with the general public. The whole outrage cost him like 12'000 to 15'000 subscribers so far. I would have expected a lot more tbh since even some media outlets jumped on the outrage train.
n/a toclosetotheedge 2017-03-15
I dunno about that, one of the prevailing narratives about Japan is that its on the decline in population and in status as a world power due to its strict insular culture, xenophobia and poor economic policies. People have been demanding that Japan change in order to thrive in the future for a while now
n/a ASeriouswoMan 2017-03-15
Not Japanese people though. They really don't have that much problem with xenophobia as we westerns have come to do.
It's really unfair to judge a person for observing these things - westerners are constantly accusing each other of xenophobia and racism, while Japan and many Muslim countries are pretty aggressive towards minorities. Japanese government is doing its best to keep refugees locked and away.
n/a squarefaces 2017-03-15
lol
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n/a poonus123 2017-03-15
"Civilization is like the measles," it continues, "and it is better than the measles that it can bring interests."
Some shit-tier rhetoric right there.
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
The same idiots that can't figure out dick in vagina sex for the purpose of procreation?
n/a razzmataz 2017-03-15
Tentacle porn confuses them.
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n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
you think that maybe the disapproval of german nationalism might have something to do with the history of it? like im not tryna say n*zis because i know thats a slur against the whites but im just saying it didnt work great last time
n/a Canvasch 2017-03-15
I mean, Japan is pretty different from America as far as immigration goes. America is expected to take immigrants because unless you live on a reservation your family immigrated sometime in the past few hundred years.
n/a grungebot5000 2017-03-15
it cost him like 70,000 and netted him 50,000 so
i dunno we'll see what happens i guess
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n/a mohkohnsepicgun 2017-03-15
I thought he was some kind of fat Turk or something...?
n/a xjapxn 2017-03-15
Fat Iranian.
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-15
He's Hungarian and Iranian. We should strip his wealth and send half of him back to each country tbh
n/a nmx179 2017-03-15
But seriously though if you live in America or Germany or the Netherlands or anywhere like that in the current year and claim to be "oppressed" you are a gigantic baby.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-15
All of those things are correct, except for maybe the ethnostate thing.
n/a ValiantPie 2017-03-15
Youre not wrong, but you are exactly the type of poster he was talking about looking at your posting history. It's really obvious that you and a lot of the people there are using this controversy to grind your political axe. There's a reason you guys were condoned off into megathreads.
n/a DCanon 2017-03-15
Fucking kill yourself you commie nigger lover
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-15
I'm more convinced he's just an idiot who ECHs too much really.
n/a freet0 2017-03-15
I'd like to think the bar is a bit higher than "not a Nazi".
n/a thefran 2017-03-15
Are you living in some sort of alternate universe? r/jontron has been heavily brigaded by white nationalists
n/a newcomer_ts 2017-03-15
All the substance of the meltdown aside but is it really an argument to point out his dad is an Iranian and expect from him to actually hate US? How should that influence the way he feels about the whole thing? Isn’t he an individual whose political thinking can be decoupled from his heritage?
I thought the reason people immigrate to a country is, partly what the country is all about?
n/a HueGenics 2017-03-15
Minorities can only express opinions that benefit them, otherwise they are uncle toms. Self sacrifice is only something the noble white SJW is capable of.
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
By self sacrifice you mean admitting you hate Glorious Leader in North Korea right?
n/a ItsSugar 2017-03-15
The issue, from what little I've cared to gather, seems to be that he's spouting isolationist rhetoric while benefiting from a lifestyle that's possible largely due to interculturality (son of immigrants in a first worldcountry, youtube celebrity). No one expects him to hate the US, they just think his posture is hypocritical considering his background.
It'd be like someone with a fatal chronic medical condition whose treatment is paid by the government speaking against universal healthcare.
n/a ANUSBLASTER_MKII 2017-03-15
You see it all the time with children of immigrants, and to some extent immigrants themselves. It's a 'fuck you, I've got mine' mentality.
n/a rarestpepesforsale 2017-03-15
Well, there is the argument of economic necessity. Someone may dislike the culture of a country in question, but still desire to live within it due to economic wants.
See: every empty threat to leave the U.S when an election doesn't go someone's way.
If there's a small group in the settled country, an immigrant may have no choice but to integrate and adopt the values of their host society. But, if there's a large enough group that shares a cultural connection of their former country to associate with, they have much less reason to do so.
Not quite an ethnostate within a larger state, but sort of the same idea, I guess. With far, far, less cross-cultural exchange.
But I don't know what this apparent tubby (Iranian?) hitler is going on about, though. From the comments here, some kind of dumb white power nonsense that I couldn't care about.
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-03-15
First the PDP sub now Jon. There will be no stay subs left soon.
n/a OldOrder 2017-03-15
/r/hotones is still fine.
/u/seanseaevans will you please inform us before you start talking about ethnic purity to one of your guests?
n/a OiBoiFloyd 2017-03-15
/u/seanevans may as well be an honorary PoC given how well he can handle spicy food, unlike his mayo brethren.
n/a UmmahSultan 2017-03-15
Can't wait for Robbaz to play Muslim Massacre.
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-15
If all the youtubers sans Filthy Frank and Vinesauce suddenly died, I think it would be an improvement.
n/a Arkonisas 2017-03-15
Even cr1t1kal ?
n/a ComedicPause 2017-03-15
Please never take Charlie and /r/TheOfficialPodcast away from me
n/a MasterLawlz 2017-03-15
r/twobestfriendsplay will go strong forever
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-03-15
Until they play Varg Vikernes new tabletop RPG.
n/a Muffinator4 2017-03-15
Wait, did the PDP sub actually turn against him?
n/a Ronocm13 2017-03-15
I always wonder how many people that comment and interact with this stuff were actually a fan of the person or just want to dogpile them when their shit comes out.
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-15
A lot, just click any on user who is shitting on Jon the hardest right now. 90% of the time they post on at least one shit leftist sub.
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
just click on anyone defending him the hardest and notice they usually post on at least one rightwing sub. shockingly, people who disagree with his views post in communities opposong those views, and visa versa? (((something))) is up here
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-15
is it jews
'bet its jews
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Nah just go look at some top comments right now, all of these faggots have never even posted in the sub before now but are from places like /r/EnoughTrumpSpam or some other SJW rathole.
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
youre gonna see what you want to see, kia poster
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Yet I've never posted in in /r/JonTron and don't plan to.
Its almost like only certain groups of people with a certain ideology feel the need to replace the indigenous population of /r/jontron with immigrants.
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
what difference does it make if you sperg out here and kia than on jontron? like honestly
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Because this is my home and /r/jontron is an independent forum with its own people and priorities.
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
you werent born here. you dont have a place here any more than jontrons dad does in america.
n/a I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2017-03-15
Wrong, I immigrated to /r/drama legally through clicking subscribe and shitposting for years.
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
jontrons dad legally immigrated and then muddled the gene pool with his disgusting brown dna
n/a myshitpostalt 2017-03-15
((legally))
n/a ason 2017-03-15
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
n/a nybbas 2017-03-15
Lol this retard trying to call you out as if KIA doesn't have a ton of overlap with drama. Where does he think a ton of /r/drama posters come from?
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-03-15
if you post in kia just kys thanks
n/a nybbas 2017-03-15
Ill give you a kiss.
n/a Prometherion13 2017-03-15
You just really love living up to your username, don't you?
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
why is he celebrated for calling out post histories and im not? dudes whining that people that disagree with him post in certain subs, so i pointed out that he does too. its the same shit
n/a nybbas 2017-03-15
Except it's not. He has posted in Drama for years, and in kia for years. The people he is calling out had never posted in the jontron subreddit before this shit came up. How do you possibly not see the difference?
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
he was calling out that they post to leftist subs, not that they never post to jontron. and not to mention that jontrons fanbase extends far beyond his subreddit. its simply the appropriate place to be talking about it
n/a nybbas 2017-03-15
Dude, did you even read his comment?
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-15
i just looked at the top comment when replying to you and called it a day tbh
n/a thefran 2017-03-15
I watched jontron but didn't participate in the subreddit. how many submissions to fucking the_donald and shit like that encouraging to brigade the subreddit do you need?
n/a Akacopman 2017-03-15
A lot of them have never posted on the sub before so take of that what you will.
n/a Vekete 2017-03-15
You don't have to post on a subreddit to be a fan of it. I've never posted in the MGS subreddit, but I fucking love MGS.
n/a Akacopman 2017-03-15
I know, but I have read a bunch of retards saying "look, even his sub has turned on him!!" when the majority of the people shitting on him don't actively engage in the sub lol
n/a Vekete 2017-03-15
And the majority of people defending him are brigading from T_D.
n/a Akacopman 2017-03-15
Yup, the sub's a shitfest
n/a Vekete 2017-03-15
Not as big of a shitshow as Jontron's twitter.
n/a Akacopman 2017-03-15
True ;)
n/a hesh582 2017-03-15
Neither the people attacking him or defending him probably have a ton of overlap with his really dedicated fanbase, who're probably just wishing this never happened.
It's just another battleground between the "we're not Nazi's we just want the government to enforce a white ethnostate" types and those who like to argue with them. The guy in the middle of it isn't even mentioned in half the comments, they're all just arguing the relative merits of their tribe.
n/a biggest_decision 2017-03-15
Well, one thing that makes it pretty obvious on /r/jontron are the flairs. Back before all this bullshit, the proportion of flaired users (ACUTAL /r/jontron users) was way higher, but go look at their current megathread on politics, the number of flaired users is way lower.
n/a grungebot5000 2017-03-15
i've been a fan for awhile but i never actually commented in these subs until they were linked here
n/a UmmahSultan 2017-03-15
Is JonTron famous enough that normal people are supposed to know who he is?
n/a Washington_vape 2017-03-15
Considering he's being reported on on mainstream media sites , yes
n/a felsoul 2017-03-15
Like CNN or Fox News? What mainstream media is reporting on youtube personalities these days?
n/a IanPatrick1966 2017-03-15
Buzzfeed
n/a sumdumcat 2017-03-15
That word makes me laugh for obvious reasons.
"Buzzfeed"
Lmao
n/a grungebot5000 2017-03-15
WSJ
n/a Washington_vape 2017-03-15
Times.com
n/a BoxNStuff 2017-03-15
Well, he's popular enough for gifs and videos of him to be constantly used as reactions on Reddit.
So I guess so?
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-15
No. Ignore the retards above.
You are a normie though, so get the fuck off my subreddit and never come back.
n/a IanPatrick1966 2017-03-15
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
FOUND THE NORMIE
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-03-15
Normal people meaning people who don't spend a majority of their time playing video games and watching youtube? Hell no. He has an extremely specific niche which he fills fairly, but not extremely, well. He's as famous to the general public as any given across-the-board average lacrosse captain.
n/a Cleverly_Clearly 2017-03-15
Since I figure this would probably be the most interesting part of this drama, here's the unbridled rage megathread.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-15
Game Grümps
n/a JumbledFun 2017-03-15
remember if you are a "fan" of a youtube star you're a waste of oxygen :)
n/a TheShiftyCow 2017-03-15
Just how being a fan of a TV show or comedian makes you a useless waste too.
n/a ANUSBLASTER_MKII 2017-03-15
Friendly reminder that posting on Reddit means you a waste of skin.
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-15
Wanted to make sure everyone remembered that if you are a living creature with even the slightest amount of care for anything you deserve to be eradicated.
n/a glmox 2017-03-15
this but entirely unironically
n/a bleepis 2017-03-15
but what if its disney channel ,':/
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-03-15
COREY
IN
THE
HOOOOOOOOUSE
n/a glmox 2017-03-15
only exception
n/a o11c 2017-03-15
But but but ... I have like 10 people following me from that one time I posted 100% playthroughs of a (now-obsolete) release of a game that almost nobody has ever heard of.
You'll pry my "fans" from my cold, dead hands!
(actually true, just dramatized)
n/a NixonForBreadsident 2017-03-15
Said the user posting on /r/Drama...
n/a crefakis 2017-03-15
"Star" is a bit of a stretch.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-03-15
I have no idea who this guy but the fact he's getting so many liberal mayos worked up is great. And that meltdown thread is hilarious the denial of statistics and facts is hilarious
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
n/a donaldthelion 2017-03-15
Good one chief, I shitposted a couple times you got me.
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
I just looked on your submitted, it was like the third one down.
n/a ComedicPause 2017-03-15
Also your name.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-03-15
My name has nothing to do with trump, good guess though
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-15
Well maybe Donald
DuckLion?n/a ComedicPause 2017-03-15
Alright, I give up then. What is "donaldthelion" a reference to?
n/a thefran 2017-03-15
if you are even slightly reasonable you are instantly permanently banned from the_donald so nice try bub
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-03-15
Oi vey
n/a Mystic8ball 2017-03-15
Danny (a jew) replaced him on Gamegrumps and Jon goes full /pol/, really makes ya think 🤔
n/a HivemindBuster 2017-03-15
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." ~JonTron 2017
n/a niggerpenis 2017-03-15
"Because of the lack of productive capacities of its own, the Jewish Folk cannot carry out the construction of a State, viewed in a territorial sense, but as a support of its own existence it needs the work and creative activities of other nations. Thus the existence of the Jew himself becomes a parasitical one within the lives of other Folks. Hence the ultimate goal of the Jewish struggle for existence is the enslavement of productively active Folks. In order to achieve this goal, which in reality has represented Jewry's struggle for existence at all times, the Jew makes use of all weapons that are in keeping with the whole complex of his character. Therefore in domestic politics within the individual nations he fights first for equal rights and later for superior rights. The characteristics of cunning, intelligence, astuteness, knavery, dissimulation, and so on, rooted in the character of his Folkdom, serve him as weapons thereto. They are as much stratagems in his war of survival as those of other Folks in combat. In foreign policy, he tries to bring nations into a state of unrest, to divert them from their true interests, and to plunge them into reciprocal wars, and in this way gradually rise to mastery over them with the help of the power of money and propaganda. His ultimate goal is the denationalisation, the promiscuous bastardisation of other Folks, the lowering of the racial levy of the highest Folks, as well as the domination of this racial mishmash through the extirpation of the Folkish intelligentsia and its replacement by the members of his own Folk."
-JonTron
n/a sumdumcat 2017-03-15
He's talked about wanting genetic purity I heard (but haven't gotten sources because this shit is too cringe and autistic for me to follow). If this is true then he is most definitely some kind of nazi-like person at the very least.
n/a ComedicPause 2017-03-15
That's some impressive philosophical deduction I must say
n/a sumdumcat 2017-03-15
I know right? You have no idea how long it took me to come up with that.
n/a strathmeyer 2017-03-15
Need submission flair "reasonable reddit moderation"
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-03-15
n/a vitogesualdi 2017-03-15
At least JonBong finally came out to set the record straight on his comments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNW7FO4unJY
n/a FreekyFreezer 2017-03-15
All because the mayofucks from TD had to brigade
n/a Washington_vape 2017-03-15
n/a FreekyFreezer 2017-03-15
they subconciously accept the mayocide though
n/a Washington_vape 2017-03-15
Lol no they don't. They only accept mayo washed minorities
n/a thefran 2017-03-15
BUT
WHAT
ABOUT
HILLARY