[Seriouspost] Is asexuality real?

24  2017-10-04 by MasterLawlz

Honest question. Apparently there's significant debate over whether or not asexuality is a disorder or an actual sexuality. Apparently, it's very difficult to distinguish from Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder, and that some people may identify as asexual when it's really a condition like that. I also find it weird that some asexuals apparently engage in sex frequently for various reasons like pleasing their romantic partners, if they were THAT opposed to sex I find it hard to believe they would still do it on a regular basis. Part of me wonders if they have another sexuality but just a low drive.

Apparently, this is really new, so there isn't much research on it but it is a controversial subject so it isn't just me that's curious. I think people have been a little too quick to accept asexuality as a truth. I can understand being gay, straight, or bi because that still typically involves physical and emotional attraction for other human beings, but I don't really understand how one could have no physical desires whatsoever unless they had some other kind of condition, like I listed here.

I'm not sure if this is all offensive to say, but I find it interesting that not many people are asking this question.

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But did he get socks?

I'm still looking, I've gotten offers but I'm really picky about who I go with. The last company I picked I went with because of glassdoor reviews, but now I'm pretty sure most of them are fake (just in general from a lot of companies), so I'm a lot more cautious.

I actually had no idea people faked glassdoor reviews. Thanks for letting me know.

All the time, I should have been more suspicious. Almost every company I’ve looked at has had absurdly glowing reviews saying working there changed their life and that the only drawback is that they didn’t work there sooner

I really have no idea which sites to trust, and it makes it a lot harder to decide

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Did you know that glassdoor doesn't have a captcha? Someone could flood it with thousands of negative or positive reviews in minutes if they wanted

But who would do such a thing.

Even the ones that aren't fake usually aren't worth much. It's like ratemyprofessor in that the majority of posts are 90% disgruntled ex-employees and 10% dick riding.

No

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Serious answer here, because I don't want young'uns reading this to feel like there's something wrong with them or that they're totally losers.

I'm well-adjusted, have a graduate education, a life, a career, I don't have autism, I'm not a virgin, not a special snowflake, I've had relationships, I'm cisgender, blah blah blah, not on Tumblr, not some lame run-of-the-mill plain person trying to exoticize myself by complicating my sexuality (you know the type), no hormonal problems, and I'm in my 30s.

I'm asexual. I just never thought about people, or myself, that way. I think there are different levels of asexuality, some of them do it with only themselves and some lucky ones get to marry another asexual. Asexuals still seek companionship and building a family, I know that I want to grow old with someone and have a family of my own. I guess I'm a "straight" asexual because it's hard for me to find a connection with people of the same sex/gender, but being asexual I like people for their merits and personality traits and not physically. Sure, I experimented and had sex in my late teens and 20s - everybody does, because they're trying to figure themselves out. I figured out then that I just can't correct the lack of sexuality in me or tap into it. I've tried. I thought there was something wrong with me for a long time. There's just that part of my brain, or being, that's missing. I like people, and I would dedicate myself to a person "romantically" I suppose, but I just can't think that way. I would rather be doing something else with the person, like building something together or exploring a new area together. I'd even rather play hide and seek and find that more stimulating.

I tell people that personally I'm an atheist, but I'm not a "party pooper" atheist who will give someone a speech about why they won't eat Christmas cookies offered to them, like some neckbeard fedora atheist or whatever. I respect people and admire their ways of being, but I just don't have that part of my brain to be a believer like that. Sometimes I wish I was, but I just can't think that way. So I'll put it this way - I'm an asexual, but I'm not one of those people who has to tell you their sexuality (or asexuality) and get all neckbeard about it every chance that they get and get into arguments with people. You can be asexual and live a normal life, and in my experience, it's usually not a big deal to people - especially as you get older and your sexuality is none of their business anyway, and people partner up with their own people. Kthxbye

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It was on bojack horseman this season so obv real

And it was hands down the worst part of the season. Todd is worst boy.

Seriously though, idk if it's "real" but people should be careful about placing importance in a lack of interest in something as part of their "identify".

I was uninterested in sex until I was 19, a good 8 years after my first period. No trauma or anything, I just didn't "get" it for a long time. If I'd have identified as an asexual when I discovered the term at 15 and spent time with the community, would I have felt like I was losing part of myself when I gained an interest in having sex.

It was t even bad because of the socjus angle it was bad because it made no fucking sense in the story arc of the season was one of the writers an ace or something

was one of the writers ace

How did you know?

I'm just guessing based on the fluffing they got in this season

I had a stroke trying to understand this sentence

Sojcus = Social Justice

Ace = Asexual or something I picked the lingo up from the show

And it was hands down the worst part of the season. Todd is worst boy.

Naw that was the mr peanutbutter runnin for governor subplot tbh.

Honestly this whole season was pretty mediocre overall, but the stuff that worked (the princess Carolyn episode and the episodes about Bojack's mom's backstory) worked, and were probably among the best in the episodes in series.

Nah the Mr Peanutbutter stuff was fine imo, it was all about showing how Diane and PBs marriage wasn't working, which did go somewhere. And I thought the jokes worked well too.

The Princess Caroline episode was the best tho. I guess since Bojack's more or less on the upswing, someone else has to pick up the slack in the suffering department.

She became the new Bojack in that episode for sure. She fucked up everything good in her life by pushing away the two most important people in her life because she was too stubborn to see the wisdom in their words and actions. She had a particularly rough day and then she let it drive her to self-destruction in true Bojack fashion. It was a fucking great episode, but C'MON PC, WHY?!

The Todd and clown dentistry thing was pretty great tho

Plus the line "well call me four out of five dentists because I agree"

I love things like Athena and maya from borderlands being praised for “conformed a sexual”.. They’re a trained killers that were never sexualised, never exposed to sexuality, it’s not the same as a sexuality, nothing to illegitimize yourself like highlighting by praising characters that only lack desire and attraction by they way they are raised.

I'm just saying the holocaust has never been on bojack.

Holy fuck it's true, is bojack the ultimate redpill?

They should put it on Bob's Burgers and Archer so that it can be on three different unfunny shows

No, your sexless life if not the same as a sexuality

Sexuality is a spectrum with a rainbow of flavors. We're all on it! Similarly how the visible light spectrum, a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, overlaps both ultraviolet and infrared, sexuality overlaps with the autistic spectrum. Asexuality is one end where these two spectrum meet. It's an infrared.

It's real. But it's nothing a little bussy can't fix. Just ask /u/ComedicSans

It's real but I'm going to wager that 75% of people who call themselves asexual are just sexually frustrated virgins who gave up.

Or teenagers just wanting a label to fit in

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I fucking hate that. Like, I'm bi and fall somewhere on the ace spectrum, but will not tell people unsolicitedly. I don't do labels anyway, especially since I'm only slightly queer and most people who tout that are just trying to fit in or feel special.

I dated an asexual woman in college and for the most part it was pretty cool. We weren't just close friends, as we were romantically and even physically very into each other. But as the relationship got more serious, we both started to realize that neither of us was interested in sex, with each other or with anybody else. She was more sex repulsed, whereas I just felt a deep-seated disinterest in getting my bits wet. It worked, wonderfully, We'd kiss and made out every once in a blue moon, but mostly just cuddled and held hands and slept together. It was cool, and in a way convenient, since not sexiling roommates keeps them happy with you. However, it started to get annoying when she got invested in the "ace community." There's nothing wrong with stickers or a t-shirt but when she started pulling it as a queer card, complaining about being "straight-passing," and blogging about "acephobia." Like what the fuck? You're asexual and "totally-not-into-women," why would you try so fucking hard to be identified as queer? How is not wanting to fuck a form of oppression? Who cares if people think you're straight? That's like getting left alone by the cops because you're a white Mexican. It's a perk.

Then she cheated on me with some Brazilian skank that she met through a fan fiction blog. Looking back, I suspect that she was just a deep-closet lesbian who was using me for booze.

So yeah, I'm a part-gay asexual but don't talk about it because the vast majority of the time those are low-commitment labels that young, educated mayos can adopt to feel more progressive and downtrodden.

Yeah plus, like someone else in this thread said, sometimes people are not sexual in some parts of their lifes for one reason or other.

Or a hormonal imbalance causing sex drive to be lowered. Something that could easily be fixed by a trip to a doctor instead of a trip to Tumblr

Dude, shut up before the secret gets out! Do you really want these Tumblr teens to reproduce?

Can confirm.

I remember my friend tumblr telling me that most girls that labeled themselves as asexual were only doing it because they couldn't accept that no guy would fuck them voluntarily. So it's better to say that you don't get dick because you're asexual.

I do feel like there are people that are ace I mean it doesn't seem that farfetched?

Also, uggos.

asexual is just the new thing emo kids call themselves these days, I wouldn't think on it too much

Are they all done being trans now? Swear to god every third kid at my niece's school started identifying as trans (m2f and f2m) over the summer.

I haven’t seen one at my school

i think not being sexually attracted to people is definitely a thing and real. it’s like inverse bisexuality. anyway that being said “im a girl and men are hawt but id never have sex with one ewwwww” means you’re either twelve and straight or you’re celibate and straight

I think it's probably some form of minor brain damage.

"I can't get laid so I'll pretend I dont want to"

The MGTOW method.

Oh, fuck you.

What is this fucking shit?

There are two types of sexuality:

My sexuality...

And everyone elses'...

If you don't like the same shit as me you are a degenerate and a fucking monster. It's all a slippery slope so you may as well lube up your genitals and run jibbering into the nearest farmyard cos that's where this is headed.

You must be as sexually spastic as these fucking retards. OOOO, Mike Stoklasa has beautiful eyes, he looks so rested! He looks like a fat fucking drunk!

Once I was in Milwaukee with my girlfriend and we had to go into a grocery store to pick up some batteries. I saw this blobby guy, looked about fifty, like Fred Flintstone with a really bad haircut after a heart bypass operation. Suddenly I realised it was Mike Stoklasa of RedLetterMedia fame!

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Then, when we went outside we saw he had parked in a disabled spot and as he got in his car he had this little smile on his face at the thought of all the trouble he'd caused everyone.

The man's a prick.

Get a fucking grip.

If you're not attracted to anyone, and you're okay with that, then I don't see a problem. Maybe it's abnormal, but for those who aren't distressed by it, I wouldn't call it a disorder. In that sense, I'd say asexuality is a real thing.

I think ugly people and/or people on Prozac just don't feel sexy.

IGTOW?

I'm not at all interested in who anyone else is having sex with. What does that make me?

a fag

I've never really had the urge or desire to have sex as far as I can remember (I'm in my late twenties). I don't label myself as asexual - I just say I'm straight if anyone asks to avoid awkward situations, but it's probably what I'd be considered to the folk that think it's a real thing.

I'm asexual.

Yeah, many asexual people probably have very low sex drives. That's my case. I could have sex and might even enjoy it in some rare cases, but I wouldn't look for it.

I don't really understand how one could have no physical desires whatsoever unless they had some other kind of condition, like I listed here.

Sure, but that's the same for anything. Maybe people are gay because of a "condition" caused by hormone exposure in the womb. We don't know if that's the case, but it's plausible. My point is the difference between a "condition" and an "identity" is pretty blurry.

Where it might not be blurry is that we know that once gay, you'll probably be gay your whole life. It's not a condition that changes a lot. That might be different with asexuality, as in, maybe hormone treatments could turn some asexual people sexual. If so, it would seem more like "just" a condition. But we don't have good data on that yet either.

I know some people who identify as asexual, but they do not even consider that they could have sex and get any enjoyment out of it. Which is interesting because further looking into what OP mentioned I came across Sexual Aversion Disorder, an apparent "phobia" of sexual activity with another person or stimulation of the genitals. Although I would say that being asexual was very much a part of these peoples identities, I do think the reason for their aversion to sex was not due to just low libido and it was probably driven by anxiety. One of these people refused to let a gynecologist examine her vagina because the thought of someone else touching her genitals made her freak out. Some people also lose their libido temporarily, I don't think that necessarily means they were asexual. I am very smart.

if they were THAT opposed to sex I find it hard to believe they would still do it on a regular basis.

Asexuality doesn't denote opposition to sexual impulses, but the absence of sexual impulses.

The term for outright opposition would be antisexuality.

That's not really possible, as the defining difference between the two is that HSDD causes noticeable distress and impairment in a patient's ability to simply live their life, while asexuality does not.

Yes it does, which is obvious to everyone observing asexuals, their IRL lives or their online writings. Since this is so easily noticable, the fact that you claim otherwise clearly shows you're dishonest, deceptive, and have an agenda.

Thanks for your input, two day old troll.

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The demonstrable truth will always win out over fanciful lies, and that's why the scientifically sound becomes stronger with each and every passing day.

I only like women in the stab punch choke sense and I can still fuck them

Not having attraction doesn't mean you can't have sex. Rape victims cumming, etc

But you talk about your sexual attraction all the time....

I learned something after fucking a girl who wasn't cheating on anyone

People who identify as asexual indeed have some sort of thing backing it. As to what that 'thing' is, I think varies. I know people who are ace because they simply receive no pleasure from sex, do not get sexual urges, etc. One ace person I know does acknowledge romantic attraction though, and is functionally gay (albeit no sex).

Other ace people I know tend to just not want relationships in general. I can't imagine they all don't feel anything, so perhaps it is just a low sex drive and no real urges/desire.

It's worth noting asexual people (those who refrain from sex and lack sexual urges for whatever reason) can still be straight/gay/bi due to wanting relationships w/o sexual contact.

The PC/tumblr thing would be to split them. asexual referring to no sexual urges. aromantic referring to lack of romantic urges. You could be aromantic but still have sexual urges (that is: not caring for a relationship but liking hookups).

I'd be curious on the science around all this though. But I'm guessing it's a few different things, all bundled under the same term.

Next you're going to try and tell us that waifusexuality isn't real.

Maybe there is something wrong with me mentally or chemically, genetically or otherwise but to me I feel fairly normal. I don't think that asexuality should be viewed as a disorder because it will make people like me feel like there is something wrong with us, when really a person doesn't need sex to live. If I didn't have the desire to eat or drink or sleep, that would affect my quality of life and I would eventually die... With sex, its just an innate need to reproduce. But surely along with that there can be people who don't have this drive too? And yes it's a minority, but gay people and lesbians were and still are also a minority and they too were originally viewed as having a mental disorder. I don't feel like I need nor do I want a "cure". Sexuality is important to most people but I don't believe in any way it is a requirement in life and I don't want to be viewed as having something wrong with my just because my feelings and views on sex are different.

Sorry if my comment doesn't quite make sense it's late where I am and I've had a tiring day. I have a lot of views on asexuality and sexuality but I'm bad at conveying those ideas to others. I'm happy to answer questions about asexuality if anyone is curious.

I think the reason asexuality catches so much flak is frustrated losers want sex so badly that they get mad imagining someone voluntarily turning it down.

Hmmmmm sounds like a familiar group.

Yeah, /r/drama users.

That and....

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your wikipedia article references so many pop pseudoscience bullshit journals and sources that I'm surprised it didn't just go ahead and quote vox and buzzfeed. For fucks sake OP look at the references (significant debate) yeah among idiots

Can someone be trans-gay? Like, let's say that, for whatever reason, I don't like dicks - but I feel like I was meant to. Can I demand that the people of the state of Rhode Island provide me with a regular supply of hormones and meth and tank-tops and spray-tan and poppers and whatnot?

Did you unsticky /u/Assy-McGee's post for this bullshit? Unironically shotgun mouthwash yourself.

Asexuality doesn't mean you dislike sex, although there are plenty sex repulsed aces out there. It doesn't effect libido, either. Think of it more as the opposite of bi/pansexual. No attraction towards anyone, man or woman.

I wouldn't call myself asexual or so unattractive that I can't get dick when I want. I just have a very low sex drive. I can go months without masturbating. Then I get to that point where I'm irritable and pissy, so I have a little self-session, and I'm like, "Wow, I've got to do that more often!"

Maybe. I consider myself ace for my lack of sexual attraction to others. Libido however, varies amongst asexuals. Some have high libidos, they just have no desire to share this with anyone else. Some have low libidos (a lot I think actually. It unfortunately leads to a misunderstanding that ace = celibacy, and oftentimes celibacy is either associated with religious people or edgy teens that can't get a bf/gf). Usually if people ask though I just say I'm straight because that results in less explanation and also less seeming like an edgelord. I tell people I'm serious about though because it's actually imperative to talk about in those situations.

Asexuality is not a sexual orientation. It is a result of a mental illness(es). You can take a heterosexual person with normal libido, then apply depression, anxious, panic attacks and what not, and watch what happens with the libido of that person. Asexuality is just an extreme case where the condition persists chronically.

Before someone says 'that's just your opinion and it's wrong', it's nearly impossible to find an asexual without a mental illness. Whenever you talk to an asexual the reply is in 99% cases "yes I have a mental illness but you're a bigot/whatever because there are asexuals who don't". Except you never encounter these asexuals who aren't, and are 25+ yrs old. I say 25+ yrs old because some mental issues don't manifest early on, or do but are misinterpreted.

If you go to AVEN you can see how many there are literary writing from a mental hospital, and I mean, they say that themselves. The rest are on various types of medication.

There are of course border cases.

Treating asexuality as a sexual orientation is like treating a depression or toothache as a lifestyle or a "mood". Eh you know, I'm a Buddhist, all is suffering, that's my thing. No, your tooth is rotten and you need to see the dentist instead of claiming that toothache is a religion.

but I find it interesting that not many people are asking this question

It's not that people are not asking the question, it's that the question gets deleted along with the answers and people get banned. For the same reason there isn't much research on this topic because do you want to lose your career? I've seen one research that showed increased amount of various mental illnesses among asexuals but good luck on finding it today.