Except she keeps going on about “the girls” without realizing SHE IS A GIRL. Girls should be happy that their records are being broken. It’s called progress.
Personally, I think he's a long-time troll. He keeps it believable most of the time, but every once in a while, he'll say something that's really out there.
Imagine believing RecallRethuglicans when he tells you “I’m just pretending to be retarded”, meanwhile he’s seriousposting boring shit about gubernatorial candidates to r/california all day.
If RR was such a milkable lolcow why isn't he tagged here more often? Checkmate.
He's been posting insane, Poe's Law bait for so many years. I think Obama was still in his first term. He is, imo, the perfect troll. He constantly posts the literal dumbest shit I've ever seen online and morons line up to try and argue with him. Every time. It's Ken M tier trolling. Look, either he is ShitPoliticsSays's perfect SJW boogeyman dipshit or he is a master troll. I have been leaning troll for yearz.
Girls should be happy that their records are being broken. It’s called progress.
Lol girls getting smoked by wannabe girls with long hair and a feminine penis is not progress. If anything its just a lesson in biology for all the dumb fucks out there that think women can compete on a mans level in sport.
Idiots would just screen cap the tweet and post it there with the title "LOLOL r u guys triggered???" getting instantly banned.
You need to post a tumblr gif of someone crying, titling the post "My day is ruined after reading so many transphobic comments on a tweet, troll send me good vibes"
Lol yeah, I've spent time browsing that subreddit because different perspectives are always interesting. I just noticed after a while that's trans issues are the achilles heel if you will.
I've always wanted to troll them with something but I also don't believe in doing something that causes someone to be genuinely upset. I just like fucking around and shitposting to confuse americans. Like randomly blaming issues on people from Michigan or Nova Scotia.
Idk I like stuff like making millennials feel old by calling the PS3 retro gaming or randomly blaming a random american state for the furries.
But I don't feel right trolling with comments that hurt other peoples feelings or inciting others to comment things that would hurt other peoples feelings. Don't get me wrong I've done it before and quite often a long time ago. But I don't really feel right about it now.
You say it's not fair, and it would also not be fair for all trans athletes to be excluded from competitive athletics, so we have to find a way forward that treats everyone as fairly as possible.
uh huh...such as...???
like that doesn't asnwer the fucking question at all
So do you believe excluding all trans athletes from competition would be fair, or do you just believe that one unfairness outranks the other, and the trans students just have to be excluded?
I literally don’t see anyone saying they shouldn’t be able to compete at all but it’s ridiculous to say that a trans woman who was biologically born as a man doesn’t have a genetic leg up in a women’s only competition
During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch..."
stories like these and these runners make it obvious that transgender individuals unfortunately cannot compete fairly in a sports setting.
Transgender women have advantages over biological women but not all the advantages biological men have. Once hormone therapy starts muscle mass shrinks towards female level.
Once hormone therapy starts muscle mass shrinks towards female level
It won't. They are sportsmen, they will maintain it. And if they won't? Takes just going off the pills for a natural source of steroids to kick in.
To be honest I can't help but hope misogynists start pretending they're trans to just fuck with women in these sporting events, the drama would be immensely entertaining.
I'm sure it will happen, how many guys would get off on dominating women in this way? And if I've learned anything it's that you don't even have to shave or grow your hair long to say your a woman.
to be licensed, transgender female fighters must undergo complete "surgical anatomical changes ..., including external genitalia and gonadectomy" (see sex reassignment surgery) and subsequently a minimum of two years of hormone replacement therapy, administered by a board certified specialist.
Considering high school sports are before most people can even get operated, this would essentially come down to a ban of transgenders. Considering the stakes aren't that high in the first place ( Which both means no one's getting screwed too hard, and that the benefits of faking transgenderism are ridiculously outweighed by the cons ), not sure that's a great way to handle this.
As to the Olympics, while operation isn't needed ( Which can be argued to be a good thing, since some transgenders choose not to get operated ), they still need to be within certain hormone levels for a full year which apparently needs around a year to two to be reached in the first place.
2-3 years of hormone therapy is still a pretty steep price to gain an advantage that, at that point, I'm not sure even exists anymore - Pretty sure the Olympic committee has looked into the fairness of that rule pretty in depth.
Overall I still find that the claims people could pretend to be transgender to gain an unsure advantage over biological women in a competition pretty far fetched. Not because one couldn't theoretically, but because it's sort of like when people find a loophole in a game that say allows you to kill yourself instantly or destroy your own units. I get that it's technically possible, but I still think it's not a problem because anyone doing it would essentially be f#cking themselves over more than anyone else.
In America, high school is where sport careers begin, so yes it is a steep price to pay for validating someone's feelings(if they exist) about their gender.
2-3 hormone therapy requirement is not enough to ensure a fair competition, you can't transition a skeleton and you will lose the only a little of muscle gained when you still had high testosterone. And you can always plug back in, just drop the estrogen pills for a day or two.
Trans people should have their own separate competitions, there's no way around it.
You don't even need to do that! You can keep your hair short and grow a beard. As long as you say "I feel like I'm a woman" poof! You are now officially a woman!
to be licensed, transgender female fighters must undergo complete "surgical anatomical changes ..., including external genitalia and gonadectomy" (see sex reassignment surgery) and subsequently a minimum of two years of hormone replacement therapy, administered by a board certified specialist.
In 2006, 25-year-old Santhi Soundarajan from India ran in the 800 meter race at the Asian Games in Qatar. Competing against athletes from 45 countries, she won a silver medal.
The next day, however, Soundarajan was called in for a blood test and asked her to undress. A few days later, it was announced on Indian national television that Soundarajan had been stripped of her medal because she had failed a sex test. Although born and raised as a girl, Soundarajan carried a Y chromosome. Like Martínez-Patiño, she was born with androgen insensitivity syndrome and had female genitalia.
Although she had never before doubted being a woman, Soundarajan was suddenly thrust forward publicly as a gender imposter. Struggling with depression, she attempted suicide shortly after returning to India.
There was even one that had a kid and yet was not considered as a woman. Despite being born as one, living as one and having a kid.
There are real outliers who for various genetic reasons blur the line between male and female, but 99% of the time it's just normal males who think they're female.
According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., 1.7 percent of human births are intersex, including variations that may not become apparent until, for example, puberty, or until attempting to conceive.[136][137]
Trans are 0.6% of the population. So trans are significantly less numerous than people with a weird gender genotype/phenotype.
I dunno what sort of data there is about this, but don't most intersex people identify the way their genetics are expressed? I think I would hear about it way more if they acted like the kids in the news story
Nah that's not true. My friend is XY but has a mostly female phenotype. She's unambigiously male genetically, but she didn't even know anything was different until she didn't hit puberty on time. There's a good number of intersex conditions like this. There's also shit like XXY or whatever where there's some genetic fuckery, but that's not the defining feature of intersex.
Nah that's not true. My friend is XY but has a mostly female phenotype.
I might have been unclear. The issue is that determining what truly is a man or a woman just genetically is harder because there are women (like your friend) that are XY, or male that are XX. To nobody surprise, the human genetic code is a fucking mess.
Oh I gotchu. Makes sense. With people like my friend its pretty obvious she's just a girl, but with people who have ambiguous genitals or weird mixes of sex hormones that whole deal must be a hoot and a half.
that's what happens when you believe propagandists.
Wew, lad. Do not worry, I am sure a random faggot on the internet is a much more trustable source than an actual peer reviewed scientific study.
Case in point :
the three most common types of intersex happen less than 1 in 1000.
While the wiki page say :
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 250 births[145]
if you use the strictest definition of "intersex" as "chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female" it's only around 0.018%.
That's kinda the issue here. What is chromosomal sex ? Is it XX for women and XY for male ? Then people affected by turner and klinefer aren't women or men. You are already at 0.13%.
And what is phenotypical sex ? Does having a beard and no boobies make one a man ? If so, you can add about 1%.
Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".[1][2]
yup, shit like that is the only way they can inflate the numbers of intersex people beyond 0.2%..
A dude with regular dick and balls, whose pee-hole was slightly misplaced at birth, easily corrected surgically, is basically a hermaphrodite HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
One of, if not the most common DSD is Klinefelter syndrome, where a male has two X chromosomes instead of one. Being XXY does not make a person half male and half female. In any case where there is more than one X chromosome, the additional X chromosome(s) deactivate - this is also true of females, including females with three X chromosomes. Thus, based on how the chromosomes actually behave, XXY 'reduces down' to XY, so yes, people with Klinefelter syndrome are male.
There are two sexes, but there is variation within those two sexes.
This topic can get really tricky and into the weeds, so I kind of just want to gently remind you not to get too wrapped up in semantics or generalized language at the risk of seeing the bigger picture. Cases of XX males and XY females don’t “muddy the waters” of sexual reproduction, their natures underline how specific the system of sex determination actually is.
Sex requires two kinds of gametes: sperm and ova. “Male” is the name of the reproductive system that is structured towards the production and expulsion of sperm, “female” is the name of the system structured towards the production of ova. Parts of either of these systems may not work, like a car factory may have a broken conveyer belt and not produce cars, but there is no third alternative system, and there is no case of someone with both systems (rather, there are no cases of people producing both sperm and ova).
These designations as “male” and “female” are universal for all species that reproduce via sperm and ova, even if the chromosomal determination system is different (for example, birds have a ZW/ZZ determination system which works very differently). The XX/XY determination system explains genetic material determining sex passes from parents to child.
XY results in the male reproductive system because of a specific gene, the SRY gene, on the Y chromosome, that initiates the production of testicles. The presence of testicles produces not just androgens, but another hormone that shuts down development of ovaries, uterus/etc.
XX male syndrome is caused by a Y chromosome, which has the SRY gene on it, getting “mixed up” with an X chromosome during cell division in the father, resulting in an X chromosome with the SRY gene on it. The consequence of having two X chromosomes instead of one in the case of an XX male means that only partial masculinization may occur – as some cells with inactivate the X chromosome with the SRY gene, while some cells will inactivate the other X chromosome. The result is either normal male development if the majority of randomly inactivated X chromosomes are those without the SRY gene, or underdeveloped testes, sterility, and consequent androgens if the majority of inactivated X chromosomes are those with the SRY gene. XX males will not produce ovarian tissue, though, because of that SRY gene in the first place.
There are a few different conditions that can result in XY individuals who are phenotypically female, but do not have ovaries and/or have or do not have undescended testes, which can be a result of defects with the SRY gene (resulting in no testes), or other defects unrelated to the X and Y chromosomes (androgen insensitivity, resulting in testes instead of ovaries, but no external masculinization). These aren’t defects because they’re just “different,” they’re defects because something went wrong in the process of development, and there are other health issues associated with these problems.
Ultimately, the point is that XX males and XY females only exist in the way that they do specifically because of how the XX/XY sex determination system works in humans. XX males would not manifest the way that they do if, for example, inactivation of the additional X chromosomes didn’t occur randomly (like in some species).
Which is why determining what is truly a man and a woman is so fucking hard.
. . . only in the case of about 1 in 80,000 people.
It also isn't terribly hard. They're chromosomally male, and would have developed a male reproductive system if there hadn't been defects on a few genes. Past the development of gonads, though, their development went onto the female reproductive system.
The syndrome has a lot of associated health risks. Those affected cannot pass on their own genetic material, have increased risk of cancer unless their gonadal tissue is removed, and are dependent on hormone replacement therapy for bone health and puberty.
Yeah, genetic outlier like having a slightly greater density of fast twitch muscle fibers, or an unusual tendon anchor point that enables you to exert more leverage.
Not genetic outlier like having a cock and balls and actually being a man competing against women.
You're right, lets do away with divisions and make every sporting event completely open class to all genders, ages, skill levels and weights! sure all the medals will be held by gifted men in their 20s whove been training since they were kids, and everyone else looking for a fair competition of their skills can get completely fucked, but thats the only way its F A I R
It's possible for someone with a Y chromosome to have a uterus, but not functioning ovaries. Only way they could have a kid is through surrogacy, but not their own DNA.
Remember that wrestler Chyna? I was convinced she was a dude until she did that porno. Also, writing this comment actually led me to something hilarious. "Described Audio" Porn
Won't solve the problem because XY biological women and XX biological men exist as intersex people. Also the competitions still wouldn't be fair because of trans people because trans-women are physically weaker than men who haven't undergone hormone therapy and trans-men are physically stronger than women who haven't undergone hormone therapy.
In the end there are simply outliers that make the competition unfair no matter how you look at it, except if you simply exclude both transgenders and intersex people from competition.
More like 0.3%, which is more than a tenth of the gay population. More importantly, it's nearly three times as much as the % of the population that is in wheelchair, yet they're not excluded from sports.
The thing I like most about this self-inflicted wound is that no matter what happens in male events or male sports, the door is open for a mtf or a woman to come in and play (I think there was a female NHL goalie a little while back along with some college football gussy). This literally only hurts women.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-06-07
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1 buttcoinbuttcoin 2018-06-07
This is some good drama. OP is a times editor, not some breitbart writer, doesn't insult anyone, remains calm. Continues to cause drama. Fantastic.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
Except she keeps going on about “the girls” without realizing SHE IS A GIRL. Girls should be happy that their records are being broken. It’s called progress.
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
1 buttcoinbuttcoin 2018-06-07
Guys I think we have an actual retard here.
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
u/recallrethuglicans is an unironic r/esist poster
What an unexpected turn of events. Really throws ya for a loop
1 buttcoinbuttcoin 2018-06-07
We need a blender large enough to fit all r/esist and TD posters in. Then we can make a nice, REEEE smoothie.
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
That’s a lotta zit juice and Walmart hair gel
1 saint2e 2018-06-07
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
What loop?
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
Not sure, but I bet it’s a problematic loop which erases the lived experience of Latinx trans women,
1 DorianMauve 2018-06-07
Yeah, but everything does that. You're not really narrowing it down there.
1 shallowm 2018-06-07
Personally, I think he's a long-time troll. He keeps it believable most of the time, but every once in a while, he'll say something that's really out there.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
What kind of a person with do nothing but troll for over four years?
1 shallowm 2018-06-07
A dedicated retard.
1 I_FART_OUT_MY_BUTT69 2018-06-07
Hey now let's cool it down.
1 shaneoffline 2018-06-07
Lol "why would I even lie about this? If you don't believe me, I don't care."
1 westphall 2018-06-07
We have a term to describe someone with this condition: "mod material".
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-06-07
Either way it's a little less sad if you do it ironically and self-aware.
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2018-06-07
Imagine eating such obvious bait from RR of all users.
Normies get OUT!!
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
Imagine believing RecallRethuglicans when he tells you “I’m just pretending to be retarded”, meanwhile he’s seriousposting boring shit about gubernatorial candidates to r/california all day.
Just face it. He’s the real deal.
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2018-06-07
RecallRethuglicans is Ken M tier trolling. He always says the dumbest things possible and people still take him seriously. It's hilarious.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
Lol, yeah, totally ironic. That is such a lie.
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2018-06-07
If RR was such a milkable lolcow why isn't he tagged here more often? Checkmate.
He's been posting insane, Poe's Law bait for so many years. I think Obama was still in his first term. He is, imo, the perfect troll. He constantly posts the literal dumbest shit I've ever seen online and morons line up to try and argue with him. Every time. It's Ken M tier trolling. Look, either he is ShitPoliticsSays's perfect SJW boogeyman dipshit or he is a master troll. I have been leaning troll for yearz.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
But they say the same shit and worse I'm places where "trolling" isn't plausible and would be completely absurd to consider.
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2018-06-07
Honestly, I might be confusing this guy with someone else. Sorry.
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
holy shit stfu lol
1 shallowm 2018-06-07
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1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
Listen, it is ok. Don't overthink it. Someone out here says something retarded, you mock it, especially when it is me.
Just stick to that.
1 shallowm 2018-06-07
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1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
Where isn’t trolling plausible? Game of trolls went literally everywhere with their antics.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
Agreeing with people in obscure places and saying literally nothing out of the ordinary.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
Depends on what you call ordinary statements.
1 AlreadyPorchNaked 2018-06-07
Did they magically become not male? Lmao
1 NardDogAndy 2018-06-07
lol, men are better women than actual women.
1 keepittropical 2018-06-07
Lol girls getting smoked by wannabe girls with long hair and a feminine penis is not progress. If anything its just a lesson in biology for all the dumb fucks out there that think women can compete on a mans level in sport.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
Yeah males breaking records set by females is the best way for women to celebrate success.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
Except they are women too.
1 ahbslldud 2018-06-07
A dude in a dress is not a woman lmao
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
It doesn't fucking matter. Why do you think women are separated in sports in the first place?
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
So what’s the issue? They are women competing with women. Men have their own separate competitions.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
Because it isn't a fair playing field you mongoloid.
1 Lvl100SkrubRekker 2018-06-07
I don't ever know why you ask these things when you cant handle the answer.
They aren't biological women. They have a completely different bone and muscle structure and biological men have a larger lung capacity.
1 veronalady 2018-06-07
Identifying as a woman does not magically change biology.
The reason females can't physically compete with males has nothing to do with identity.
1 aqouta 2018-06-07
If we adopt this stance it will be physically,impossible for someone born into a female body to ever set a world record.
1 melokobeai 2018-06-07
You're right, every man is a potential women. They just have to make the choice
1 Abiogeneralization 2018-06-07
He said “female,” not “woman.”
1 holditsteady 2018-06-07
this boy is a troll
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-06-07
Humans should be happy that their records are being broken so women should be inspired by Usain Bolt...?
1 TUMS_FESTIVAL 2018-06-07
Stop downvoting for the lolcows you fucking pigs.
1 EarnestNoMeta 2018-06-07
gas yourself
1 UmbellateSaxhorn 2018-06-07
Girls are a social construct.
1 reallyrunningnow 2018-06-07
Dare somebody to post this to gendercritical
1 Thulean-Dragon 2018-06-07
They'd agree it's bullshit.
Dare someone to post it to TrollX
1 storejet 2018-06-07
Idiots would just screen cap the tweet and post it there with the title "LOLOL r u guys triggered???" getting instantly banned.
You need to post a tumblr gif of someone crying, titling the post "My day is ruined after reading so many transphobic comments on a tweet, troll send me good vibes"
You then link the tweet in the comments.
1 jerkedpickle 2018-06-07
This guy dramas
1 storejet 2018-06-07
Lol yeah, I've spent time browsing that subreddit because different perspectives are always interesting. I just noticed after a while that's trans issues are the achilles heel if you will.
I've always wanted to troll them with something but I also don't believe in doing something that causes someone to be genuinely upset. I just like fucking around and shitposting to confuse americans. Like randomly blaming issues on people from Michigan or Nova Scotia.
1 kwawi 2018-06-07
So you're one of those Russian bots trying to undermine liberal Western society?
1 Re_LE_Vant_UN 2018-06-07
Like, legitimately, what is wrong with you?
1 storejet 2018-06-07
Idk I like stuff like making millennials feel old by calling the PS3 retro gaming or randomly blaming a random american state for the furries.
But I don't feel right trolling with comments that hurt other peoples feelings or inciting others to comment things that would hurt other peoples feelings. Don't get me wrong I've done it before and quite often a long time ago. But I don't really feel right about it now.
I know that's kinda retarded.
1 TheAtro 2018-06-07
I envy your creativity
1 CaptainMemer 2018-06-07
Does anyone remember that movie Juwanna Mann?
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-06-07
Unfortunately, yes.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-06-07
Lorne: This is crazy. No one is gonna believe you're a woman!
Juwanna Mann: You did!
Lorne: All right. This is blackmail.
Juwanna Mann: No, it's black... FE-male!
Lorne: That's not funny.
1 redmugofcoffee 2018-06-07
due for a remake tbh
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2018-06-07
ofc the top reply is a guy with a rose emoji next to his name
1 AggressionSsb 2018-06-07
what does that even mean
1 redmako101 2018-06-07
Democratic Socialist. The fucking worst kind of the soyboy.
1 AggressionSsb 2018-06-07
Did he just put an emoji in his name or is it some special marking?
1 redmako101 2018-06-07
Fuck if I know, I've never used Twitter.
1 Red_of_Head 2018-06-07
I believe they brand themselves when they are initiated.
1 cmakk1012 2018-06-07
go get shot by cops in Arizona pls
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
hit a nerve, soy boy?
1 cmakk1012 2018-06-07
yes
1 sooth_ 2018-06-07
the people who unironically use soyboy are the unironic soyboys
that insult is never used for anything but projection, you only ever see it thrown around in places where actual alphas don't hang out
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
well at least they're self-hating soyboys.
1 80BAIT08 2018-06-07
Where do the alphas hang out?‽!!?!? 🤭
1 sooth_ 2018-06-07
how the fuck would I know
1 gemininature 2018-06-07
In my bussy
1 redmako101 2018-06-07
It'd make my life easier, that's for sure.
Just curious, what's your position on using 'small souled bugman'?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-07
Anything which makes me feel like I'm in MDE should be taken outside and shot
1 redmako101 2018-06-07
What about 'liberals get the bullet, too'?
1 fiodorson 2018-06-07
Social-democracy brah, they are actually two different things. Also, stop hating on EU, you bitches are just jealous of our healthcare.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2018-06-07
it's a way for woke brocialists to identify each other on social media, because the hammer and sickle emoji would turn off normies
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-07
This bronational brocialist gets it.
1 -OrganisedChaos- 2018-06-07
Lol it's not a brosocialist thing.
1 cimarafa 2018-06-07
The other two are right, but in the UK it’s also just the symbol of the Labour Party.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2018-06-07
ah you're more accurate in this case. I'm so used to seeing it from the chapo crowd that I didn't read his bio
1 Ultrashitposter 2018-06-07
His twitter description is even better:
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-07
uh huh...such as...???
like that doesn't asnwer the fucking question at all
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-06-07
I'm gonna stick with the tried and true 'no one cares about female sport.'
1 crudehumourisdivine 2018-06-07
at least not until men got involved with them, fuckin patriarchy
1 DownVoteGuru 2018-06-07
(The only suitable answer)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juTeHsKPWhY]
1 Aivias 2018-06-07
We need a Final Solution for trannies
1 Strictlybutters 2018-06-07
I literally don’t see anyone saying they shouldn’t be able to compete at all but it’s ridiculous to say that a trans woman who was biologically born as a man doesn’t have a genetic leg up in a women’s only competition
1 storejet 2018-06-07
I'm giving it two years until there is a massive shitshow when transwomen start grabbing up woman's scholarships.
1 DorianMauve 2018-06-07
I can't wait tbh. The amount of shit flinging on both sides will be glorious.
1 shaneoffline 2018-06-07
And if it's a sport like sprinting where it's you vrs the clock, just classify them in a third and fourth gender for competition.
1 nanonan 2018-06-07
Or just have them race the men because that's what they physically are. If Thai ladyboy kickboxers can do it right everyone can.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-06-07
Didn't an FtM dominate a race recently because of the hormonal treatment?
1 kermit_was_right 2018-06-07
An FtM dominated wrestling in some state where they force you to compete based on your birth certificate.
1 kermit_was_right 2018-06-07
They have major disadvantages against the men so that's not fair either.
1 nanonan 2018-06-07
Bad luck.
1 d-amazo 2018-06-07
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox#Controversy
stories like these and these runners make it obvious that transgender individuals unfortunately cannot compete fairly in a sports setting.
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
Sure they can. If they have a dong, they fight other dudes with dongs. Not chicks.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-07
Why does the operation matter?
1 Kelkymcdouble 2018-06-07
Because it's expensive. Who would pay all that money just to not have people talk about it?
1 kermit_was_right 2018-06-07
Fallon got the full package years before competing.
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
Transgender women have advantages over biological women but not all the advantages biological men have. Once hormone therapy starts muscle mass shrinks towards female level.
1 modernartistt 2018-06-07
1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-07
To be honest I can't help but hope misogynists start pretending they're trans to just fuck with women in these sporting events, the drama would be immensely entertaining.
1 aqouta 2018-06-07
We need incels to stop nailing their junk to shit and start transitioning.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-06-07
I'm sure it will happen, how many guys would get off on dominating women in this way? And if I've learned anything it's that you don't even have to shave or grow your hair long to say your a woman.
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
Looks like a steep price to "dominate women".
1 modernartistt 2018-06-07
Apparently, this doesn't apply to high school sports or Olympics. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
Considering high school sports are before most people can even get operated, this would essentially come down to a ban of transgenders. Considering the stakes aren't that high in the first place ( Which both means no one's getting screwed too hard, and that the benefits of faking transgenderism are ridiculously outweighed by the cons ), not sure that's a great way to handle this.
As to the Olympics, while operation isn't needed ( Which can be argued to be a good thing, since some transgenders choose not to get operated ), they still need to be within certain hormone levels for a full year which apparently needs around a year to two to be reached in the first place.
2-3 years of hormone therapy is still a pretty steep price to gain an advantage that, at that point, I'm not sure even exists anymore - Pretty sure the Olympic committee has looked into the fairness of that rule pretty in depth.
Overall I still find that the claims people could pretend to be transgender to gain an unsure advantage over biological women in a competition pretty far fetched. Not because one couldn't theoretically, but because it's sort of like when people find a loophole in a game that say allows you to kill yourself instantly or destroy your own units. I get that it's technically possible, but I still think it's not a problem because anyone doing it would essentially be f#cking themselves over more than anyone else.
1 modernartistt 2018-06-07
In America, high school is where sport careers begin, so yes it is a steep price to pay for validating someone's feelings(if they exist) about their gender. 2-3 hormone therapy requirement is not enough to ensure a fair competition, you can't transition a skeleton and you will lose the only a little of muscle gained when you still had high testosterone. And you can always plug back in, just drop the estrogen pills for a day or two. Trans people should have their own separate competitions, there's no way around it.
1 Re_LE_Vant_UN 2018-06-07
Wtf all I have to do to legally beat up wen is cut off my dick? Why didn't anyone tell me this earlier
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-06-07
You don't even need to do that! You can keep your hair short and grow a beard. As long as you say "I feel like I'm a woman" poof! You are now officially a woman!
1 kermit_was_right 2018-06-07
Well no. It's in the link.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-06-07
Well that kills the plan that 90% of the guys here have.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-06-07
Who let this bitch bring a staple gun in the ring smdh
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
What is a woman is kinda a big problem for sport, tbh.
Here is an article about this.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/sex-testing-olympians?utm_term=.xikK89er3#.vfGkDbpxo
There was even one that had a kid and yet was not considered as a woman. Despite being born as one, living as one and having a kid.
1 Osterion 2018-06-07
There are real outliers who for various genetic reasons blur the line between male and female, but 99% of the time it's just normal males who think they're female.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Eh, according to studies, intersex are 1.7% of the population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex#Population_figures
Trans are 0.6% of the population. So trans are significantly less numerous than people with a weird gender genotype/phenotype.
1 DuBBle 2018-06-07
I don't trust these names.
1 Osterion 2018-06-07
I dunno what sort of data there is about this, but don't most intersex people identify the way their genetics are expressed? I think I would hear about it way more if they acted like the kids in the news story
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Eh, the issue is determining what is a male or a female genetic. That's why they are intersex.
1 ahbslldud 2018-06-07
Nah that's not true. My friend is XY but has a mostly female phenotype. She's unambigiously male genetically, but she didn't even know anything was different until she didn't hit puberty on time. There's a good number of intersex conditions like this. There's also shit like XXY or whatever where there's some genetic fuckery, but that's not the defining feature of intersex.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
I might have been unclear. The issue is that determining what truly is a man or a woman just genetically is harder because there are women (like your friend) that are XY, or male that are XX. To nobody surprise, the human genetic code is a fucking mess.
1 ahbslldud 2018-06-07
Oh I gotchu. Makes sense. With people like my friend its pretty obvious she's just a girl, but with people who have ambiguous genitals or weird mixes of sex hormones that whole deal must be a hoot and a half.
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-06-07
People don't realize how many 'abnormal' genetic conditions there are because a lot of times they're benign.
Always cracks me up that statistically a few of those "two scoops two genders" obsessives are probably packing some wonky genes.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
that's what happens when you believe propagandists.
look at the table on your wiki link.
the three most common types of intersex happen less than 1 in 1000. Add it all up and you get less than 0.4%.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Wew, lad. Do not worry, I am sure a random faggot on the internet is a much more trustable source than an actual peer reviewed scientific study.
Case in point :
While the wiki page say :
That's kinda the issue here. What is chromosomal sex ? Is it XX for women and XY for male ? Then people affected by turner and klinefer aren't women or men. You are already at 0.13%.
And what is phenotypical sex ? Does having a beard and no boobies make one a man ? If so, you can add about 1%.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
that doesn't make you intersex LMFAO
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Fam, I am sure you know much more about what is an intersex than doctors, but still ...
So about there is half as much intersex as trans. Your point being ?
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
99.9% of doctors agree with me, that you don't become a woman by peeing out of the middle of your penis.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
It's one of the possible symptoms. l2r.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
[you right now](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMKdkelXcAAurh8.jpg
which of the symptoms justifies considering Hypospadias "intersex"?
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
My guess is on the non existence of balls and the presence of an hole.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
oh the balls exist
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
The non existence of balls is common in that shit. l2r
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
no it's not. not even remotely, tardiboy
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
an undescended testicle still exists.
and this "most common" associated defect appears in 3% of cases. all the other associated defects are even less common than that.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
10%. l2r.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
so 0.4% (aka 1 in 250) have Hypospadias at birth
in 10% of those, a testicle won't descend by itself.
that's 0.04%.
And somehow in your mind an undescended testicle = intersex? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Really make you think. 🤔
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
yup, shit like that is the only way they can inflate the numbers of intersex people beyond 0.2%..
A dude with regular dick and balls, whose pee-hole was slightly misplaced at birth, easily corrected surgically, is basically a hermaphrodite HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
You might like your beard without boobs but with a massive beard, but most are not gay enough to follow you down that hole, fam.
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
good, we can finally both agree that you were completely wrong about the prevalence of "intersex"
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Once again, l2r
1 veronalady 2018-06-07
"Intersex" is a social term, not a medical diagnosis.
Most disorders of sexual development do not yield truly "intersex" outcomes.
One of, if not the most common DSD is Klinefelter syndrome, where a male has two X chromosomes instead of one. Being XXY does not make a person half male and half female. In any case where there is more than one X chromosome, the additional X chromosome(s) deactivate - this is also true of females, including females with three X chromosomes. Thus, based on how the chromosomes actually behave, XXY 'reduces down' to XY, so yes, people with Klinefelter syndrome are male.
There are two sexes, but there is variation within those two sexes.
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
So XY female and XX male do not exist anymore ?
1 veronalady 2018-06-07
This topic can get really tricky and into the weeds, so I kind of just want to gently remind you not to get too wrapped up in semantics or generalized language at the risk of seeing the bigger picture. Cases of XX males and XY females don’t “muddy the waters” of sexual reproduction, their natures underline how specific the system of sex determination actually is.
Sex requires two kinds of gametes: sperm and ova. “Male” is the name of the reproductive system that is structured towards the production and expulsion of sperm, “female” is the name of the system structured towards the production of ova. Parts of either of these systems may not work, like a car factory may have a broken conveyer belt and not produce cars, but there is no third alternative system, and there is no case of someone with both systems (rather, there are no cases of people producing both sperm and ova).
These designations as “male” and “female” are universal for all species that reproduce via sperm and ova, even if the chromosomal determination system is different (for example, birds have a ZW/ZZ determination system which works very differently). The XX/XY determination system explains genetic material determining sex passes from parents to child.
XY results in the male reproductive system because of a specific gene, the SRY gene, on the Y chromosome, that initiates the production of testicles. The presence of testicles produces not just androgens, but another hormone that shuts down development of ovaries, uterus/etc.
XX male syndrome is caused by a Y chromosome, which has the SRY gene on it, getting “mixed up” with an X chromosome during cell division in the father, resulting in an X chromosome with the SRY gene on it. The consequence of having two X chromosomes instead of one in the case of an XX male means that only partial masculinization may occur – as some cells with inactivate the X chromosome with the SRY gene, while some cells will inactivate the other X chromosome. The result is either normal male development if the majority of randomly inactivated X chromosomes are those without the SRY gene, or underdeveloped testes, sterility, and consequent androgens if the majority of inactivated X chromosomes are those with the SRY gene. XX males will not produce ovarian tissue, though, because of that SRY gene in the first place.
There are a few different conditions that can result in XY individuals who are phenotypically female, but do not have ovaries and/or have or do not have undescended testes, which can be a result of defects with the SRY gene (resulting in no testes), or other defects unrelated to the X and Y chromosomes (androgen insensitivity, resulting in testes instead of ovaries, but no external masculinization). These aren’t defects because they’re just “different,” they’re defects because something went wrong in the process of development, and there are other health issues associated with these problems.
Ultimately, the point is that XX males and XY females only exist in the way that they do specifically because of how the XX/XY sex determination system works in humans. XX males would not manifest the way that they do if, for example, inactivation of the additional X chromosomes didn’t occur randomly (like in some species).
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
Yeah, the human genetic code is a fucking mess. I think anyone that had even one lessons on it is aware of that.
Which is why determining what is truly a man and a woman is so fucking hard.
Aside, just the SRY gene is not enough as 85% of all Swyer don't have mutation on it.
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/swyer-syndrome#genes
1 veronalady 2018-06-07
. . . only in the case of about 1 in 80,000 people.
It also isn't terribly hard. They're chromosomally male, and would have developed a male reproductive system if there hadn't been defects on a few genes. Past the development of gonads, though, their development went onto the female reproductive system.
The syndrome has a lot of associated health risks. Those affected cannot pass on their own genetic material, have increased risk of cancer unless their gonadal tissue is removed, and are dependent on hormone replacement therapy for bone health and puberty.
They, too, are not a sort of "third sex."
1 error404brain 2018-06-07
100k people around the world is a lot, buddy.
It must be hard having to twist your definition so much to deny the existence of intersex. :^)
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-06-07
Being a genetic outlier is like the entire point of sports to begin with though.
1 Osterion 2018-06-07
Thats not really the point of high school sports.
1 Orsonius 2018-06-07
You think the best athletes in HS aren't comparatively generic outliers in their schools?
1 Osterion 2018-06-07
Ok fine, but those existing genetic differences aren't a good reason to do away with sex divisions in athletics
1 DorianMauve 2018-06-07
Yeah, genetic outlier like having a slightly greater density of fast twitch muscle fibers, or an unusual tendon anchor point that enables you to exert more leverage.
Not genetic outlier like having a cock and balls and actually being a man competing against women.
1 Orsonius 2018-06-07
Why care about this arbitrary fairness? Why care who can run faster in the first place
1 I_Dream_of_Outremer 2018-06-07
Why care about anything ever? You absolute fucking moron
1 djcrumples 2018-06-07
You're right, lets do away with divisions and make every sporting event completely open class to all genders, ages, skill levels and weights! sure all the medals will be held by gifted men in their 20s whove been training since they were kids, and everyone else looking for a fair competition of their skills can get completely fucked, but thats the only way its F A I R
1 Orsonius 2018-06-07
No im more about not having competition anymore
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-06-07
This thread started with a comment about how this distinction isn't always clear...
1 DayAcanthaceae 2018-06-07
It's possible for someone with a Y chromosome to have a uterus, but not functioning ovaries. Only way they could have a kid is through surrogacy, but not their own DNA.
1 -OrganisedChaos- 2018-06-07
Similar thing with Caster Semenya
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-07
An anagram of "yes a secret man".
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-07
we need to ban running competitions, not only do they sow discord among women, they also reinforce race realism.
1 BumwineBaudelaire 2018-06-07
lol caring about women’s sports
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
If big dicks are swinging around inside their track shorts, we’re talking about men’s sports. No matter how much lipstick he has on.
1 NardDogAndy 2018-06-07
Remember that wrestler Chyna? I was convinced she was a dude until she did that porno. Also, writing this comment actually led me to something hilarious. "Described Audio" Porn
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-07
Did you see that porn though?
She had a bigger dick than Triple H.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-07
Unsurprising. Testosterone gives her a bigger clit, roids shrink his dick.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2018-06-07
Roids shrink your testes not your dick.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-07
I bow to an expert.
1 KingWayneX 2018-06-07
It was that little faggot xpac, not triple h
1 sooth_ 2018-06-07
women's alpine skiing and triathlon are fun
1 gyrotur 2018-06-07
I wanna get a twitter to answer butvi just know its a waste of time and it will all be shitposting.
1 Pastelitomaracucho 2018-06-07
I love social justice
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
Me too. I want to fight for it. Like a warrior.
1 PenilePain1337 2018-06-07
I hate you guys. I need an alternative right
1 solfuckingrosenberg 2018-06-07
hate speech. i’m going to punch you 🥊🥊🥊
1 Orsonius 2018-06-07
Competition is retarded.
Do you think anyone can train and be faster than usein bolt?
Nope.
And even motivation itself is so vastly different among people. Some just have a much higher level of interest in achieving the top.
Anyways. Just get rid of competitive sport.
1 yankeeinexile 2018-06-07
Sounds like you never won or excelled in any kind of sport so you don't understand what it feels like
1 Roywocket 2018-06-07
Just felt like it was a little bit off.
1 KingWayneX 2018-06-07
You think Bolt didnt have to train to become that elite at his sport? Fucking loser
1 kermit_was_right 2018-06-07
I can't. But someone else can - that's why we have sports.
1 shallowm 2018-06-07
this, but unironically
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-07
the trannies in sports conundrum is one of my personal favorite modern day drama fests.
1 tempTemp0001 2018-06-07
Good idea in the replies, why not just separate the sports into XX and XY?
No confusion or debate there, seems to solve the problem.
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
Won't solve the problem because XY biological women and XX biological men exist as intersex people. Also the competitions still wouldn't be fair because of trans people because trans-women are physically weaker than men who haven't undergone hormone therapy and trans-men are physically stronger than women who haven't undergone hormone therapy.
In the end there are simply outliers that make the competition unfair no matter how you look at it, except if you simply exclude both transgenders and intersex people from competition.
1 normie_girl 2018-06-07
so progressive
1 U-TRON 2018-06-07
TERFs get out.
1 HINDBRAIN 2018-06-07
Gross Cunt debates Cutie?
1 ApatheticAnarchy 2018-06-07
The solution is to go ahead and allow doping for everyone.
1 aqouta 2018-06-07
Imagine thinking it's a huge problem to exclude .01% of the population from sports.
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
More like 0.3%, which is more than a tenth of the gay population. More importantly, it's nearly three times as much as the % of the population that is in wheelchair, yet they're not excluded from sports.
1 aqouta 2018-06-07
Usually in a different category though.
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
Yeah but that's not being excluded from sports.
1 aqouta 2018-06-07
excluded from the current categories..
1 Nadare3 2018-06-07
How are they excluded from current categories if they literally have their own categories ?
1 jaredschaffer27 2018-06-07
The thing I like most about this self-inflicted wound is that no matter what happens in male events or male sports, the door is open for a mtf or a woman to come in and play (I think there was a female NHL goalie a little while back along with some college football gussy). This literally only hurts women.