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Weekly Mass Discussion Thread #34

!catholics !christians sorry this one is late, I had the classic Mass-to-work maneuver today.

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First Reading

When Saul arrived in Jerusalem he tried to join the disciples,

but they were all afraid of him,

not believing that he was a disciple.

Then Barnabas took charge of him and brought him to the apostles,

and he reported to them how he had seen the Lord,

and that he had spoken to him,

and how in Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus.

He moved about freely with them in Jerusalem,

and spoke out boldly in the name of the Lord.

He also spoke and debated with the Hellenists,

but they tried to kill him.

And when the brothers learned of this,

they took him down to Caesarea

and sent him on his way to Tarsus.

The church throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria was at peace.

It was being built up and walked in the fear of the Lord,

and with the consolation of the Holy Spirit it grew in numbers.

-Acts 9:26-31

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Responsorial Psalm

R. (26a) I will praise you, Lord, in the assembly of your people.

or:

R. Alleluia.

I will fulfill my vows before those who fear the LORD.

The lowly shall eat their fill;

they who seek the LORD shall praise him:

"May your hearts live forever!"

R. I will praise you, Lord, in the assembly of your people.

or:

R. Alleluia.

All the ends of the earth

shall remember and turn to the LORD;

all the families of the nations

shall bow down before him.

R. I will praise you, Lord, in the assembly of your people.

or:

R. Alleluia.

To him alone shall bow down

all who sleep in the earth;

before him shall bend

all who go down into the dust.

R. I will praise you, Lord, in the assembly of your people.

or:

R. Alleluia.

And to him my soul shall live;

my descendants shall serve him.

Let the coming generation be told of the LORD

that they may proclaim to a people yet to be born

the justice he has shown.

R. I will praise you, Lord, in the assembly of your people.

or:

R. Alleluia.

-Psalms 22:26-27, 28, 30, 31-32

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Second Reading

Children, let us love not in word or speech

but in deed and truth.

Now this is how we shall know that we belong to the truth

and reassure our hearts before him

in whatever our hearts condemn,

for God is greater than our hearts and knows everything.

Beloved, if our hearts do not condemn us,

we have confidence in God

and receive from him whatever we ask,

because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

And his commandment is this:

we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,

and love one another just as he commanded us.

Those who keep his commandments remain in him, and he in them,

and the way we know that he remains in us

is from the Spirit he gave us.

-1 John 3:18-24

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Alleluia

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

Remain in me as I remain in you, says the Lord.

Whoever remains in me will bear much fruit.

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

John 15:4a, 5a

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Gospel

Jesus said to his disciples:

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower.

He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit,

and every one that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit.

You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you.

Remain in me, as I remain in you.

Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own

unless it remains on the vine,

so neither can you unless you remain in me.

I am the vine, you are the branches.

Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit,

because without me you can do nothing.

Anyone who does not remain in me

will be thrown out like a branch and wither;

people will gather them and throw them into a fire

and they will be burned.

If you remain in me and my words remain in you,

ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.

By this is my Father glorified,

that you bear much fruit and become my disciples."

-John 15:1-8

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Actions speak louder than words.

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!catholics get in here, momento morí dodgers

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Virtual AI priest :marseysnappy: 'Father Justin' who believes he's REAL :marseyme: and can absolve your sins faces backlash over bizarre answers :carppope:

Why would catholicanswers.com do this? :marseyhuh:

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:marseytheorist: Jesuits
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I did my first rosary as trappykong suggested, then I did a tarot card readings which suggested that I should still keep on with my work with demons because my incident with Lucifer was a misunderstanding and I have emotional baggage I have to work through and shed and demons are good at bringing it up to the psyche.

I think the virgin Mary is encouraging me to keep working with demons, so I can shed my baggage, I'm looking for advice for people who work with the Mother of Heaven.

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if it were any good, i wouldve watched the cam print. since it didnt, it isnt. in fact im lying, i havent even watched it cuz i dont care. like at all

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Correction, I was wrong about something.

I misrepresented Jesus as the beast in the book of revelations.

https://www.jesus8880.com/gematria/topic_essays/magic_square_sun.htm

I needed to provide a correction. The beast in revelations is סורת, the beast in the book of revelations. Also known as the Black Sun.

Lucifer helped me learn an important lesson, that I can fall victim to illusion. I'm not blaming my illusions and misconceptions on an external source, they came from me, they were brought to the surface from my own psyche.

Mark 7:15

There is nothing from outside of the man, that going into him can defile him; but the things which proceed out of the man are those that defile the man.

Lucifer is my teacher and my friend, my patron and my mentor and I still view him as a friend.

Rudolf Steiner, famous occultist and esotericist stated "Lucifer encourages the tendency in human beings towards expansiveness, inflation, egotism, sensuality, passion, and ungrounded spirituality; Lucifer is the being who tells us that we are like the gods, knowing both good and evil" and this is my experience working with him.

Here is the thing you need to understand about evil, it comes from you. Lucifer didn't lead me astray, he brought it to the surface so I could acknowledge it, so I could purify it, and I learned an important lesson and placed myself above him and placed my trust in God. I wasn't lead astray. I realized the evil within and I shined light on it, my heart is still pure.

I'm now going to be working with סורת, who is a demon that even S. Connolly who is all "demons are love and light" said that his energy needs to be tempered.

https://arsmagine.com/others/sorath/

Wish me luck!

!actualbiofoids

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The fear of heck.

Back a few years ago when praying to God, I told him directly that if anyone ends up in heck undeservingly which is a concept that I cannot justify with a just and loving God then I would go there myself, since then I have been exploring the truth about the religion and quite frankly, knowing that I am darned does give me to freedom to actually explore the religion and discover the truth about it free of Church dogma.

This is what Catholics believe, Jesus sacrificed himself for our sins and went down to heck, I don't believe or agree with the concept of Heck and if he did, then it's my duty as a Christian to follow Jesus and do the same.

The Crucifixarion reflects the scapegoat ritual in Leviticus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell#:~:text=The%20term%20'Harrowing%20of%20Hell,of%20the%20Old%20Testament%20period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat#:~:text=In%20the%20Bible%2C%20a%20scapegoat,the%20sins%20of%20the%20community.

In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness, taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.

Jesus was the scapegoat.

First you should accept that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, Satan is presented as having goat horns as symbolism because of the scapegoat ritual.

Isaiah 14:12-17

Revelation 22:16

2 Peter 1:19 the word Lucifer is used to refer to Jesus in the Latin Vulgate.

You shouldn't be afraid of heck. The real heck is living your life with the fear of heck.

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The word "Lucifer" appears in The Second Epistle of Peter (2 Peter 1:19) in the Latin Vulgate to refer to Jesus. Jesus refers to himself as the Morning Star in revelations.

Why did the Church turn Jesus into the devil?

The church realized that as symbols have effects on the deepest level of the psyche, associating a symbol of higher spiritual truth, knowledge and illumination with the devil would keep people ignorant and easy to control. Essentially the psychological consequence is they associated this symbol of Lucifer used to describe Jesus, and the word of Jesus with the devil and associated higher spiritual knowledge with fear.

The end effect, people are trapped in chains of fear and guilt unable to advance spirituality and looking for answers, not from within, but from an material source which they are afraid to question and can tell them anything making people easy to manipulate.

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One thing I've wondered about Church Christianity is when the words or Paul contridict with the teachings of Jesus, they seem to reject Jesus and take the words of Paul?

Jesus taught to sinners. I would argue that Judas wasn't a great example of someone who was free of sin.

It's too easy just to be like "Oh, Paul wrote the word of God" when he wrote his letters so Paul is equivalent to Jesus, and I think it is a logical error. We might as well be building altars and worshipping Paul if we are just going to reject Jesus.

My personal opinion is that Paul corrupted Christianity and led the religion astray.

Is Paul equivalent to Jesus? If not then how do you explain the many many contradictions between their writing and teachings? Either the word of Jesus was the word or God or the word of Paul was? They can't both be true.

This is why I reject Paul's writings almost entirely in my path, and I definately don't do what the Church does and prioritize above the teachings of Jesus when they do contridict.

This thread I am looking for a respectful debate.

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Weekly Mass Discussion Thread #32

!catholics !christians happy Third Sunday of Easter!

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First Reading

Peter said to the people:

"The God of Abraham,

the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,

the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus,

whom you handed over and denied in Pilate's presence

when he had decided to release him.

You denied the Holy and Righteous One

and asked that a murderer be released to you.

The author of life you put to death,

but God raised him from the dead; of this we are witnesses.

Now I know, brothers,

that you acted out of ignorance, just as your leaders did;

but God has thus brought to fulfillment

what he had announced beforehand

through the mouth of all the prophets,

that his Christ would suffer.

Repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be wiped away."

-Acts 3:13-15, 17-19

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Responsorial Psalm

R. (7a) Lord, let your face shine on us.

or:

R. Alleluia.

When I call, answer me, O my just God,

you who relieve me when I am in distress;

have pity on me, and hear my prayer!

R. Lord, let your face shine on us.

or:

R. Alleluia.

Know that the LORD does wonders for his faithful one;

the LORD will hear me when I call upon him.

R. Lord, let your face shine on us.

or:

R. Alleluia.

O LORD, let the light of your countenance shine upon us!

You put gladness into my heart.

R. Lord, let your face shine on us.

or:

R. Alleluia.

As soon as I lie down, I fall peacefully asleep,

for you alone, O LORD,

bring security to my dwelling.

R. Lord, let your face shine on us.

or:

R. Alleluia.

-Psalms 4:2, 4, 7-8, 9

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Second Reading

My children, I am writing this to you

so that you may not commit sin.

But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father,

Jesus Christ the righteous one.

He is expiation for our sins,

and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.

The way we may be sure that we know him is to keep

his commandments.

Those who say, "I know him," but do not keep his commandments

are liars, and the truth is not in them.

But whoever keeps his word,

the love of God is truly perfected in him.

-1 John 2:1-5a

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Alleluiah

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

Lord Jesus, open the Scriptures to us;

make our hearts burn while you speak to us.

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

-Luke 24:32

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Gospel

The two disciples recounted what had taken place on the way,

and how Jesus was made known to them

in the breaking of bread.

While they were still speaking about this,

he stood in their midst and said to them,

"Peace be with you."

But they were startled and terrified

and thought that they were seeing a ghost.

Then he said to them, "Why are you troubled?

And why do questions arise in your hearts?

Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself.

Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones

as you can see I have."

And as he said this,

he showed them his hands and his feet.

While they were still incredulous for joy and were amazed,

he asked them, "Have you anything here to eat?"

They gave him a piece of baked fish;

he took it and ate it in front of them.

He said to them,

"These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,

that everything written about me in the law of Moses

and in the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled."

Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

And he said to them,

"Thus it is written that the Christ would suffer

and rise from the dead on the third day

and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins,

would be preached in his name

to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

You are witnesses of these things."

-Luke 24:35-48

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The last few lines of the second reading stuck out to me. While God is merciful, those who flaunt his laws blatantly while speaking of how much they love them must have some deal of cognitive dissonance going on.

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Luke 12 - Do not worry

Do Not Worry

22 Then He said to His disciples, “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on.

23 Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing.

24 Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds?

25 And which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

26 If you then are not able to do the least, why are you anxious for the rest?

27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

28 If then God so clothes the grass, which today is in the field and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will He clothe you, O you of little faith?

29 “And do not seek what you should eat or what you should drink, nor have an anxious mind.

30 For all these things the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knows that you need these things.

31 But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you.

32 “Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys.

34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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In addressing some of the many grave violations of human dignity today, we can draw upon the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, which emphasized that “all offenses against life itself, such as murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, and willful suicide” must be recognized as contrary to human dignity.[53] Furthermore, the Council affirmed that “all violations of the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, physical and mental torture, undue psychological pressures,” also infringe upon our dignity.[54] Finally, it denounced “all offenses against human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children, degrading working conditions where individuals are treated as mere tools for profit rather than free and responsible persons

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Internet Catholic thinks Dante's Inferno is in the Bible

!classics !lgbt

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