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Daily Bard Digest 2024-09-30

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Here's todays official post from the BARDCHIVE:

08/20/20 16:41:07 with a score of -2: https://old.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/understanding_hate_on_reddit_and_the_impact_of/g29e1qd/?context=8

(Apparently mandatory disclaimer: I'm not an admin)

As a for-instance -- the model I use in conjunction with my work on /r/AgainstHateSubreddits breaks down types of hatred and harassment roughly equivalent to the ontology Reddit is using - but also, with respect to (for example) White Supremacist Extremism (an internal category I track), that has expressions in every other category - hatred based on religion, political compartment, gender, sexuality, ability, and with violent tendencies. They also specifically and pointedly instruct their adherents to hide the fact that they're White Supremacists - they tell them to "hide their power levels" and eschew specific distinctive signals that separate their efforts from the efforts of any other more-specifically-focused / "legitimate" political / social / cultural movements.

They know that people will reject them if they're openly identified as the KKK / neoNazis / violent white supremacists - so they do things that obscure that connection. And, sometimes, they do things that seem bizarre but are identifiably related to hatred, because they think it will "red-pill" recruits.

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At 09/30/24 15:06:19 in modnews with a score of 1 point:

reddit will always be the one profiting from everything you do

I'm exceptionally sure that one community I help moderate pushed Reddit to create a significant cost center. Reddit didn't have a noticeable Trust & Safety department, and now they do. They have a whole soup-to-nuts process for handling bad faith subreddit operation. And that was in part accomplished by organizing to inform advertisers, "Hey, if you advertise on Reddit, you're advertising alongside [litanous list of terroristic hate speech and violent extremism]".

People should be compensated for the labour they provide in contract with a larger, more powerful, corporate entity.

They should also not expect to be compensated for being given, and exploiting, free-of-cost infrastructure services that elsewhere would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars US a year.

The expectations here are clear. Top 20 subreddits on Reddit aren't being charged i.e. $0.15/gb egress fees from the network onto backbone peering (standard industry cost, btw). They are not being charged for spam mitigation, for CSAM mitigation, for gateways to partner user authenticity verification. They're not being charged for the ML expert systems that mitigate hate speech, harassment, and other evils. That's just the things I can think of off the top of my head.

They're not being charged for GDPR compliance, a legal department, subpoena production requests …

They don't have to navigate the theoretically limitless copyright violation liability that could be brought by any rightsholder if they mismanage their moderation teams and also happen to host a piece of media that rightsholder doesn't want distributed.

There's tradeoffs. Some people want a turnkey solution and have no profit motive. Some people provide that turnkey solution and profit thereby.

The good news is that free enterprise is not dead yet, and you, too, can build a UCHISP which competes with Reddit.

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