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Both of these scenarios are indistinguishable, and so, Wittgensteinian in approach, we don't deliberate on them. Wovon manner nicht sprechen kann, daruber mußt manner schwiegt

Holy fricking pseud, that's not even what the quoted text is about, which is "don't try to describe what can't be described"

The leitmotif here that I'd like to bring the brass, woodwinds, strings, and guest performer didgeridoo all into at the coda in order to bring it all home in a unified major lift:

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