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Weekly Mass Discussion Thread #6

It's everyone's favorite day of the week today: Sunday! !catholics !christians ahh yeah let's talk Bible

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First Reading

Let me now sing of my friend,

my friend's song concerning his vineyard.

My friend had a vineyard

on a fertile hillside;

he spaded it, cleared it of stones,

and planted the choicest vines;

within it he built a watchtower,

and hewed out a wine press.

Then he looked for the crop of grapes,

but what it yielded was wild grapes.

Now, inhabitants of Jerusalem and people of Judah,

judge between me and my vineyard:

What more was there to do for my vineyard

that I had not done?

Why, when I looked for the crop of grapes,

did it bring forth wild grapes?

Now, I will let you know

what I mean to do with my vineyard:

take away its hedge, give it to grazing,

break through its wall, let it be trampled!

Yes, I will make it a ruin:

it shall not be pruned or hoed,

but overgrown with thorns and briers;

I will command the clouds

not to send rain upon it.

The vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel,

and the people of Judah are his cherished plant;

he looked for judgment, but see, bloodshed!

for justice, but hark, the outcry!

-Isaiah 5:1-5

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Second Reading

Brothers and sisters:

Have no anxiety at all, but in everything,

by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving,

make your requests known to God.

Then the peace of God that surpasses all understanding

will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters,

whatever is true, whatever is honorable,

whatever is just, whatever is pure,

whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious,

if there is any excellence

and if there is anything worthy of praise,

think about these things.

Keep on doing what you have learned and received

and heard and seen in me.

Then the God of peace will be with you.

-Philippians 4:6-9

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Gospel

Jesus said to the chief priests and the elders of the people:

"Hear another parable.

There was a landowner who planted a vineyard,

put a hedge around it, dug a wine press in it, and built a tower.

Then he leased it to tenants and went on a journey.

When vintage time drew near,

he sent his servants to the tenants to obtain his produce.

But the tenants seized the servants and one they beat,

another they killed, and a third they stoned.

Again he sent other servants, more numerous than the first ones,

but they treated them in the same way.

Finally, he sent his son to them, thinking,

'They will respect my son.'

But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another,

'This is the heir.

Come, let us kill him and acquire his inheritance.'

They seized him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him.

What will the owner of the vineyard do to those tenants when he comes?"

They answered him,

"He will put those wretched men to a wretched death

and lease his vineyard to other tenants

who will give him the produce at the proper times."

Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures:

The stone that the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone;

by the Lord has this been done,

and it is wonderful in our eyes?

Therefore, I say to you,

the kingdom of God will be taken away from you

and given to a people that will produce its fruit."

-Matthew 21:33-43

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The Gospel here is the one that stuck out to me most to me. The parable seems to be an obvious allegory: the Jews were given so much by God, yet ignore his will and even kill his messengers and his son. Seeing that they will not accept Christianity, God warns that the Gentiles are to become the inheritors of his kingdom, as seen with modern Christians mostly not being Jews.

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We had a sermon on finding true joy in life based on readings from Philippians. The pastor included this based CS Lewis quote.

It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and s*x and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.

Are there any modern thinkers that are on the level of CS Lewis?

I've gone through a lot of his “Mere Christianity” writings (?) and his mastery of English really gets across concepts so well.

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It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and s*x and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.

The most faithful people I know are the happiest people I know.


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Unfortunately Lewis was the product of a largely extinct educational system and unusual life experience. At least he left a lot of essays.

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I definitely need to keep learning about him, seems like a brilliant guy.

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The Gospel here is the one that stuck out to me most to me. The parable seems to be an obvious allegory: the Jews were given so much by God, yet ignore his will and even kill his messengers and his son. Seeing that they will not accept Christianity, God warns that the Gentiles are to become the inheritors of his kingdom, as seen with modern Christians mostly not being Jews.

I think it's about the jews and the gentiles but more importantly about the faithful and the faithless, the kingdom will be handed over to those who have faith and not those without faith. It's a warning to anyone, Jew and Gentile alike, who takes the Lord for granted and acts sinfully.


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Praying for the safety to the non-dummie Israelis and Palestinians who are going to receive the blunt of all this...:marseysad:

On a better note...I will be taking a theology midterm tomorrow, so under His command I will study and hopefully be blessed with success come Monday :marseyjesuslove::marseyjesuslove::marseyjesuslove:

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I was out of town this weekend, so I visited a new church for Mass. The pastor hit all of the key notes of the parable and tied it together nicely with the warning from Isaiah amd exhortation to the Phillipians. Too bad he sounded like Elmer Fudd.

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We had a sermon today on whether God exists, concluding that he does based on the scientific evidence and record of evidence in the Bible. My pastor made the point I always like to see made, that the apostles didn't get riches or power from spreading their beliefs, they endured miserable persecution for decades of the kind you could only possibly endure if you truly believed and were animated by the Holy Spirit.


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Well, this is quite the timing.

Looks like when this war ends neither Palestinians nor Jews will get Israel, instead total Catholic victory is at hand.

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Yeah I thought of that. Maybe Francis will declare a Crusade and Biden will pledge the U.S. military's participation.

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Joseph R. Biden's assigned rabbi trying to oppose Biden's decision to go to war with Israel:

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Btw. I'm wondering, do you make sure to time these threads so the Hole doesn't die if there are no other posts in the week? I'm asking since after you started, I don't really keep track of this like I did early on when Carp created this hole.

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No, I make a post myself on Friday or Saturday if there were no others.

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Total Lutheran Victory*

@DestoryerSCAREbine stand With Israel

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Are you Lutheran?

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Yes. @DestoryerSCAREbine was going too write "Total Protestant Victory" but that might further the delusions of the catholic that protestantism is a single "heckin bad" movement.

@DestoryerSCAREbine stand With Israel

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