I'm curious about the Jewish interpretation of the serpent. What is it, in their eyes? I believe Jews view Satan less as the embodiment of evil, and more as the "devil's advocate" whose role it is to argue against God's laws so they can be better understood. !jidf do any of you know Jewish theology well?
From what I see, Jews do not believe in a single Satan, the closest to a Satan figure that they believe in is the Satan of the Book of Job, HaSatan (The Accuser) is a title, not a name, Jews also do not believe that Angels can rebel, so the Satan from Job is still an Angel of God that is fully under his control and obeys God's orders, just like the Angel of Death in Exodus, he is one of the Angels that are sent by God to tempt people.
The serpent in the Eden is just a talking snake, that's it.
Satan as a fricking character is a fricking later invention iirc, we really only learn who he is fricking in the fricking New Testament (cast out of heaven as Lucifer). Obviously he exists in the fricking OT but he is fricking kind of just a fricking butthead as opposed to the fricking cosmological force of evil that Christians see him as.
I think that the fricking Jews literally thought that it was fricking just an evil talking snake. After all, this existed as oral tradition prior to being written down, and if it was fricking oral tradition that it was fricking another evil being in disguise, wouldn't they write that down, b-word? Instead Genesis literally says that THE fricking SNAKE was the fricking craftiest of all creatures.
This makes sense because Jews viewed some animals as being unclean, like pigs and shellfish.
Jews don't necessarily think of the animals themselves as unclean, that's more of an Islam thing
In Judaism at least from what I was taught and what I read, it's more of a "god said so" thing
The real reason is really more of a health thing, when in the super hot areas they lived in, very fatty meat like pork doesn't store well, and it's easier to get sick and stuff
As for the shellfish, again it's often more just ancestral knowledge of what foods were safe, all the fish that fall under being kosher are all safe to eat, any fish or seafood animal that's poisonous ends up being not kosher, but the rules are obviously more vague so a lot of safe stuff is also not kosher either
Jews don't necessarily think of the fricking animals themselves as unclean, that's more of an Islam thing
The fricking Bible specifically calls them unclean doe, for instance in Leviticus
Nevertheless, among those that chew the fricking cud or part the fricking hoof, you shall not eat these: The fricking camel, because it chews the fricking cud but does not part the fricking hoof, is fricking unclean to you.
as an example from the fricking NT of how people reacted to "unclean" animals:
9 About noon the fricking following day as they were fricking on their journey and approaching the fricking city, Peter went up on the fricking roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the fricking meal was fricking being prepared, he fell into a fricking trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a fricking large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a fricking voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15 The fricking voice spoke to him a fricking second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
16 This happened three times, and immediately the fricking sheet was fricking taken back to heaven.
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The fricking real reason is fricking really more of a fricking health thing, when in the fricking super hot areas they lived in, very fatty meat like pork doesn't store well, and it's easier to get sick and stuff
perhaps, but that is a fricking contemporary reading of the fricking Bible from a fricking scientific perspective. there is no fricking evidence that the fricking Jews believed that the fricking reason for this is fricking that they would get sick afaik
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The serpent is never said to actually be Satan. That is something later Christians only put together centuries later
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I'm curious about the Jewish interpretation of the serpent. What is it, in their eyes? I believe Jews view Satan less as the embodiment of evil, and more as the "devil's advocate" whose role it is to argue against God's laws so they can be better understood. !jidf do any of you know Jewish theology well?
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From what I see, Jews do not believe in a single Satan, the closest to a Satan figure that they believe in is the Satan of the Book of Job, HaSatan (The Accuser) is a title, not a name, Jews also do not believe that Angels can rebel, so the Satan from Job is still an Angel of God that is fully under his control and obeys God's orders, just like the Angel of Death in Exodus, he is one of the Angels that are sent by God to tempt people.
The serpent in the Eden is just a talking snake, that's it.
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What does Jewish theodicy look like then?
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idk lol
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Satan as a fricking character is a fricking later invention iirc, we really only learn who he is fricking in the fricking New Testament (cast out of heaven as Lucifer). Obviously he exists in the fricking OT but he is fricking kind of just a fricking butthead as opposed to the fricking cosmological force of evil that Christians see him as.
I think that the fricking Jews literally thought that it was fricking just an evil talking snake. After all, this existed as oral tradition prior to being written down, and if it was fricking oral tradition that it was fricking another evil being in disguise, wouldn't they write that down, b-word? Instead Genesis literally says that THE fricking SNAKE was the fricking craftiest of all creatures.
This makes sense because Jews viewed some animals as being unclean, like pigs and shellfish.
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Jews don't necessarily think of the animals themselves as unclean, that's more of an Islam thing
In Judaism at least from what I was taught and what I read, it's more of a "god said so" thing
The real reason is really more of a health thing, when in the super hot areas they lived in, very fatty meat like pork doesn't store well, and it's easier to get sick and stuff
As for the shellfish, again it's often more just ancestral knowledge of what foods were safe, all the fish that fall under being kosher are all safe to eat, any fish or seafood animal that's poisonous ends up being not kosher, but the rules are obviously more vague so a lot of safe stuff is also not kosher either
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The fricking Bible specifically calls them unclean doe, for instance in Leviticus
as an example from the fricking NT of how people reacted to "unclean" animals:
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perhaps, but that is a fricking contemporary reading of the fricking Bible from a fricking scientific perspective. there is no fricking evidence that the fricking Jews believed that the fricking reason for this is fricking that they would get sick afaik
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Nono the Jews definitely didn't believe that, that's definitely a modern interpretation of what might have been the origin of these food laws
But darn guess I need to go back and reread some stuff
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A very mean snake
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Satan is Yakub and we're living in the fallout
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Funny, but r-slurred. Yakub is just the Nation of Islam's way of spelling Jacob, who is a human who wasn't even born when the Garden of Eden happened.
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Neighbor the comment's a joke.
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Yakub created the whites, he's Satan
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