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Remember when Jesus took all the sins of man unto himself in Gethsemane and still chose to die for us
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Hey, I'm one of those wacky protestants (I know, I KNOW).
What is the reasoning for the Catholic teaching that the transfer of sin to Jesus happened in Gethsemane rather than closer to the point of His crucifixion?
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Why else would He have been sweating blood and crying out and in need of the angel? I obviously don't speak for the Church in this regard nor any other but it seems pretty self-evident that it was in the garden
I suppose a vague argument could be made that it was just fear of the coming physical suffering but come on now. It's God.
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It could have been fear of the upcoming physical suffering as well as fear of the imminent but not yet occurring assumption of mankind's sins
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I can't help but feel there's a more fully reasoned explanation out there somewhere. Virtually all (or perhaps %100 of all depending on the frame of reference) of Christ's time on Earth was infused with the Father's influence, so I would reason there's a specific theological explanation for the transfer to occur at that time.
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Because Christ is a man and also Christ is God
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Bro, just because he was God doesn't mean it wasn't excruciatingly painful or was a walk in the park. ‘Come on now it's God' may mean it was as good as done and he wouldn't fail to do it, but not that it wouldn't be dreadful and difficult.
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It is to show that will Christ is God, He is also human and He has the same highs and lows and moments of doubt of all men
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Christ is indeed both God and human, but why did the transfer happen specifically at that moment?
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It was the human courage of acceptance. The affirmation of a moment of purpose in the face of Satan.
It's also when He knew that His suffering would be first rejected by his peers, so more courage in knowing what was to come. To die for the sins of man is one thing, but to suffer as well in the rejection (Luke 23:34) is even greater purpose.
Read Romans 9. Paul was adamant that this be understood
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He's not asking about Jesus accepting his suffering and crucifixion. He's asking why the sins of humanity were metaphysically transferred to Jesus at Gethsemane in particular, rather than just before or during his crucifixion.
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I don't recall if there's a more direct scholarly answer but it was the last meeting of the minds and direct confrontation with Satan and start of the passion. The decision that It Must Be Done and as He takes on the sins there and the Passion commences.
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Personally I suspect the reason is to position the entire Passion as the purification of humanity's sins, rather than just the Crucifixion and death. There's a strong undercurrent within Catholicism of justifying suffering, so the entire Passion being the process by which Christ purifies humanity's sins emphasizes the significance of suffering (in addition to the significance of Christ's death as a sacrifice) and also establishes a spiritual link between His suffering and our own. This thought is echoed in the Catholic practices of self-moritication. From a philosophical standpoint, I believe the Catholic views on suffering are a part of its answer to the problem of evil, whereby suffering serves an ultimately good purpose.
In short, it's not just Christ's death that is theologically important, but His suffering, as well.
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I would guess that the theological reasoning is tied to the Catholic viewpoint of suffering as a means of purifying sin. For instance, in Catholic belief, suffering in life can reduce either one's own or someone else's time in Purgatory. Since Jesus' suffering began after Gethsemane (the betrayal, the trial, carrying the cross, etc), he logically needed to take on all the sins prior to that in order for it to count toward the sanctification of the human race.
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All those words words words but still no answer in the replies. Curious.
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The answer is that the entirety of the Passion is part of Jesus' sacrifice, not just his death.
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