In addressing some of the many grave violations of human dignity today, we can draw upon the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, which emphasized that “all offenses against life itself, such as murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, and willful suicide” must be recognized as contrary to human dignity.[53] Furthermore, the Council affirmed that “all violations of the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, physical and mental torture, undue psychological pressures,” also infringe upon our dignity.[54] Finally, it denounced “all offenses against human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children, degrading working conditions where individuals are treated as mere tools for profit rather than free and responsible persons
New Pope doc :Declaration of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith “Dignitas Infinita” on Human Dignity 
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!catholics !chuds !christians are we really
saying deportation is against human 
dignity
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At an individual level, the Christian response to immigration is, and should be, "cucked." We welcome the stranger, we shelter those in need, we do not consider people as statistics, and we do not demand that others be perfect victims in order to receive radical compassion.
This does not absolve government of a responsibility to manage immigration policy in the numerical sense, including by doing things collectively that might feel individually unjust, because a government has a responsibility for the collective well-being of all its citizens.
The issue here is that Christianity centers around individual and community action. It is not possible to apply Christianity to the massive state apparatus and its own particular collective responsibilities. Most obviously, it is not "compassionate" to extract sacrifices from other people--only to make them yourself.
I tend to believe that two people may be acting against each other, yet both acting morally, depending on their particular position and responsibilities. So a secular state official deporting a group of migrants could be acting morally, even as a church shielding them from deportation could be acting morally.
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I disagree
with that idea because it changes morality from the objective to the subjective. I'm a firm believer in objective morality. Morality isn't defined by culture, state, or man. It is defined by god.
While the reality of its implementation may or may not be determined by the state, the concept itself is moral or immoral based
on circumstances. This is unlike prostitution which is always immoral irregardless of circumstance.
Love does not make consequences
for a persons actions immoral.
I fundamentally disagree
with this. It's theoretically possible, however, its application 
is limited by human 
fallibility of those implementing it.
I think
the historic success of the west is predicated on Christian 
values and ideas
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I believe in objective morality. But morality stems from duty, and different people have different duties.
To give an obvious example, a prosecuting attorney and defense attorney are both acting morally, even though their duties oppose each other.
Also, you have a duty to your family, just like I have a duty to my family, but our families are different people. So your responsibility to care for your family comes before any responsibility to my family.
An individual, a local church, a government official, and the president of the United States have some overlapping duties concerning migration, but not identical.
As to whether a Christian state is possible, you raise a good point about the ways our faith has improved the West. I'm just not convinced that there is such a thing as a "Christian" immigration policy, a "Christian" tax code, etc. "Render unto Caesar" assumes that you will never be Caesar. I'm not sure that Jesus taught us how to be Caesar, or ever intended us to become him.
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Forced emigration sucks pretty bad yeah
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The pope is a dramanaught. Its about making both sides mald
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I already proposed this, but can we invite him here?
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It's at times like this that I'm proud to be a Papist. Everybody from the ultra-traditionalists to the German bishops are gonna be pissed-off about this 😁
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