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The Pope addresses his conservative critics in the church.
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 16, 2024
"Conservative is one who clings to something and does not want to see beyond that. It is a suicidal attitude," says Pope Francis. This Sunday on 60 Minutes, the Pope sits down with @NorahODonnell. https://t.co/mEN4CWeXMW pic.twitter.com/HPYgVm4kIp
!nonchuds even the pope doesn't like rdrama tradcaths
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I hate the "progressive Pope" forced meme. He's an inch left of trad caths on any secular social issue, but the media act like he's running drag queen masses.
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Pope Francis is an Argentine and a presumed Peronist with commie sympathies, if you don't hate him you're a peroncho
!macacos brazilian Cardinal Odilo Scherer was a contender during the 2013 conclave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odilo_Scherer
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Yeah, Papa is left on environmental and economic issues, but that's not what the media focuses on.
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Oh, I see. Yeah, the Pope is not gonna come out in favor of abortion and gay marriage lol. Is the Catholic Church, most of their members are socially conservative (the church-goers at least), is not the Episcopal Church or the Church of Sweden (the latter headed by a foid bishop who called Greta Thunberg a prophet)
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Yeah as I've been figuring out Catholicism
(while converting/since converting) it appears to me at least that the are four big “factions”
1
The super
conservative 
to the point 
of becoming a Pharisee faction. They follow 
the letter 
of the law but forget/ignore the intent behind 
it. This would 
be the faction of the U.S. from what I've see
2
Tradcaths similar in practice to the first
group 
except they're don't actually 
believe 
in Catholicism 
they're just want to be culturally Catholic. Generally converts from evangelicals
3
The super
liberal 
to the point 
of not believing in Christianity. This is your Germans and other (general commie) groups who mistake 
agreeableness for love. They think 
by agreeing with homosexuality/abortion or at least downplaying its significance they can bring more people to the church. Problem is that it's contradictory to the Bible/Church history.
4
Agnostics. Culturally catholic
because their family 
for the past 1000 years is. They go to church 
twice a year on Christmas 
and Easter. Will baptize their kids probably.
!catholics !christians
Thoughts?
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(90% of “Catholics” fall in camp 4 btw.)
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Maybe true. I can only speak to my limited experience as I've never
looked into the numbers 
but I will say our church 
is generally packed even at 8 AM mass so I think 
numbers 
of practicing Catholics isn't minuscule. Especially when you consider 
how well the global church 
is funded
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Yes. I'm Catholic because my ancestors were Irish Catholic and emigrated to America to escape persecution by the crown.
This is group #4. This also includes the Portuguese and Spanish.
I think it might be a little too far to say they are agnostic, but they're not strict adherents to doctrine either.
(coincidentally - this was large argument in the discrimination of these people when they first came to America "catholics are gonna vote how the pope tells them!")
It turned out to not be true, really.
Catholicism IS important and it DOES inform your views, but right up and until it directly contradicts them.
And another group to look at for this is the South America immigrants coming in.
There's all sorts of polls coming out that show that they are chuddy on certain issues, to the surprise of many democrats.
This is largely a result of Catholicism. Stuff like gay marriage and other degeneracy or w/e doesn't fly with a lot of latinx catholics.
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My parents are group 4. They consider themselves catholic, they baptized me and my sister but they never go to church except for weddings, baptisms or first communion they're invited for nor do they mind with stuff like abstaining from eating meat during lent
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Maybe. It's just based
on what I've seen.
That's not what I'm talking about if you still go to church
semi-regularly.
Majority of practicing Catholics are just doing exactly what they should
be and are normal 
people in every way. They're not really 
conservative 
or liberal 
(to a point 
where 
it contradicts their faith).
At least that's my experience.
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These are just my views of different
factions. Most I've met are just doing exactly what they should 
be and are normal 
christians in every way. They're not really 
conservative 
or liberal 
(to a point 
where 
it contradicts their faith).
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A shame really
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I think there are more subgroups and/or nuance than that given just how many Catholics exist, if you hang out with Third Order Dominicans they're often a bunch of bookish medievalist
nerds just for a random example. Also a lot of immigrant 
families you'd I guess consider camp 4 but are still observant.
Weekly Mass goers in America are largely variants of 1/2 though yeah, idk if that's from swimming
in Protestant waters or the result of pro-life activism putting us in contact all the time. It is a hard time in history to be Catholic, modern people are reflexively cynical and skeptical and it's hard to find a middle ground when generally you either have to compartmentalize your belief (not how Catholics have done things) or embrace it and become ostracized from broader society. 
I get accused of being overly pious or a Trad both here and irl but then at Church I'm pretty middle of the road on most topics.
My wife has less doubt and a more natural/simple relationship with faith which helps keep me from going down the rabbit hole of scrupulosity.
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100% agree
with you however I would 
say these are the loudest voices (or loudest silence in the case of faction 4) within the church 
that I've seen since being baptized this past Easter 
(or I guess 
since starting RCIA last fall)
I'd say it's likely that. Your converts are going
to be mostly from hardline Protestant 
groups that are wanting to be more traditional and historically the church 
in the U.S. has been treated poorly up until very recently. Even some of my close 
family 
is hesitant (to put it mildly) about my conversion. Isolation generally leads to very conservative 
views.
I think
to some any amount of religion 
is seen as trad in todays society
I am blessed
by this as well with my fiancé
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!catholics
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im not convinced of this
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I very much look forward to the Catholic Apologist Youtubers if he does!
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Pope is nazbol.
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He's an argentinian so he's literally worse than Satan
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And yet still despite that the church is played as a force of evil regressives who oppose anything new
Funny how media works, right?
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It's ok I forgive them
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I never fell for the tradcath meme. Not for one second. Swear it.
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Frick all y'all crawling your way in here to downmarsey, just because you and your community haven't been negatively affected by the police doesn't mean they can't be or don't affect others - and being in a LEGO subreddit can't stop shit. Being able to ignore and compartmentalize bad things is a privilege. Cowards
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