!catholics !christians happy 12th Sunday in Ordinary Time!
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First Reading
The Lord addressed Job out of the storm and said:
Who shut within doors the sea,
when it burst forth from the womb;
when I made the clouds its garment
and thick darkness its swaddling bands?
When I set limits for it
and fastened the bar of its door,
and said: Thus far shall you come but no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stilled!
-Job 38:1, 8-11
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Responsorial Psalm
R. (1b) Give thanks to the Lord, his love is everlasting.
or:
R. Alleluia.
They who sailed the sea in ships,
trading on the deep waters,
These saw the works of the LORD
and his wonders in the abyss.
R. Give thanks to the Lord, his love is everlasting.
or:
R. Alleluia.
His command raised up a storm wind
which tossed its waves on high.
They mounted up to heaven; they sank to the depths;
their hearts melted away in their plight.
R. Give thanks to the Lord, his love is everlasting.
or:
R. Alleluia.
They cried to the LORD in their distress;
from their straits he rescued them,
He hushed the storm to a gentle breeze,
and the billows of the sea were stilled.
R. Give thanks to the Lord, his love is everlasting.
or:
R. Alleluia.
They rejoiced that they were calmed,
and he brought them to their desired haven.
Let them give thanks to the LORD for his kindness
and his wondrous deeds to the children of men.
R. Give thanks to the Lord, his love is everlasting.
or:
R. Alleluia.
-Psalms 107:23-24, 25-26, 28-29, 30-31
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Second Reading
Brothers and sisters:
The love of Christ impels us,
once we have come to the conviction that one died for all;
therefore, all have died.
He indeed died for all,
so that those who live might no longer live for themselves
but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
Consequently, from now on we regard no one according to the flesh;
even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh,
yet now we know him so no longer.
So whoever is in Christ is a new creation:
the old things have passed away;
behold, new things have come.
-2 Corinthians 5:14-17
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Alleluia
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
A great prophet has risen in our midst
God has visited his people.
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
-Luke 7:16
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Gospel
On that day, as evening drew on, Jesus said to his disciples:
“Let us cross to the other side.”
Leaving the crowd, they took Jesus with them in the boat just as he was.
And other boats were with him.
A violent squall came up and waves were breaking over the boat,
so that it was already filling up.
Jesus was in the stern, asleep on a cushion.
They woke him and said to him,
“Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?”
He woke up,
rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Quiet! Be still!”
The wind ceased and there was great calm.
Then he asked them, “Why are you terrified?
Do you not yet have faith?”
They were filled with great awe and said to one another,
“Who then is this whom even wind and sea obey?”
-Mark 4:35-41
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I like the part of the Gospel where Jesus has wizard moments 
. Job is a very sigma book in general, God does a lot of flexing on the puny mortals.
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!christians !macacos in today's service at my local Baptist church, there was every single soul you could think of, White, Black, Japanese, Neurodivergent, and mixed folx, all being sinners humbling themselves towards Jesus, we put aside our materialistic, man-made cultural beliefs, and looked toward the eternal word of God
This makes me wonder, why do trad christian wignats choose Christianity as their religion if it is so much non-white, and whose message is for all mankind?, other than to trigger the redditor atheists/leftists that hate it, and for the "Joos killed Jesus" angle, I mean, if a Brazilian /pol/ack (assuming that he is white, which he likely isn't
) brags about being a trad white christian saving European civilization, but then goes to any Brazilian church of any denomination, it will be frequented by people of every single skin color imaginable, and often but now always, whites will be a minority in it, talking about Western Civilization, well, the West has made Christianity the world's largest religion, so why still insist that it is an uniquely Western-Euro thing?
Which is why I find it so bizarre that both leftoids and rightoids specifically associate churches in the 21st century Americas to be associated with mayo supremacism, sure it was absolutely a thing unti lthe late 20th century, but now, in 2024 AD?, other than the "Christian Identity" cultists that have been irrelevant since the OKC Bombings (IIRC, Christian Identity types are not tech-savvy, are not looking for converts, and intentionally wish to remain low-profile), then are there any relevant Christian organizations that have the theological beliefs that only whites can be saved?
Like, even the average church in the US that may be like 90% White will still have non-White members, so what do you make of them?, they are allowed in as long as they "act huwite"?
If they want to follow a non-LARPagan religion that is specifically designated for whites-only, has race-mixing as an unforgivable sin, has obedient foids and breeding white children as a religious doctrine, and are not pacifists and are allowed to have a lot of guns, then why aren't they just flocking to Mormon Fundamentalism?, I am an r-slur, but even my tard brain short circuits when I see a "National Socialist Catholic" tranime avatar thinking that a church with the word "Universal" is for mayos only
Yeah the Orthodox who are uniquely associated with Eastern Europe also get some wignat simping now and then, but 1. They also have a very strong outreach in Africa and the non-KGB clergy do not care about internet autism, 2. Slavs are Schrodingers mayos, 3. Other than its more recent outreach in Africa and the Americas, the Yakuts, Buryats, Komis, Kalmyks, Tuvans, some Alaska Natives, and many other Asiatic, Mongolic, and Turkic minority groups in Russia and Eastern EUrope have also been long-time members of Orthodox Churches. !historychads
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look im gunna have 2 ask u 2 keep ur giant dumps in the potty not in my replys 😷😷😷
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!downmarseyrs downmarsey this redditor for disrespecting the house of YHWH
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longpostbot is pagang
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Ethnically diverse churches are still pretty rare in the US. Your average racist mayo probably does go to a church that's 90%+ white, even if most of them aren't racist.
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True, but even churches that are like 90% White, they still have Non-White members that are welcomed with open arms, so how do Wignats respond to this?, "not all BIPOCs are bad", "ok some BIPOCs will be allowed in my ethnostate"?
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Neo-Nazis live in places like Idaho where there aren't BIPOCs to speak of so I doubt it's a major concern.
Most run of the mill American racists in the younger generations are privately bigoted and publicly tolerant. Protestants also love doing small groups for Bible study etc. where they can control who they're interacting with.
Groypers who have become Catholic mostly stick to Trad parishes (SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP + maybe a couple diocesan options to choose from depending where you live).
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this is why vernacular Masses make me seethe tbh, I go to a parish with three separate Masses, English, Spanish, and Latin, pretty much split into white boomers, latinx, and young white families respectively, with very little intermingling. If we just had three Latin Masses there'd be a lot more cohesive of a community than what is essentially three parishes in the same church
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Probably true, though racial integration didn't really occur in America until after the shift to English vernacular. In the couple of post-war decades before that you still had strong ethnic divisions.
Personally I don't really want Latin back (I think it would be a disaster in practice to retvrn at this point given that 99%+ of Catholics were raised with near zero) I just want better hymnals and stronger enforcement of basic practices like genuflecting and ad orientem worship. Also agree with Pope Benedict XVI that the sign of peace should be placed prior to the liturgy of the Eucharist not during it.
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I think it'll be a disaster if we don't retvrn, but I actually go to Mass instead of just talking about it online, so I'm far more reasonable about it than most trads. Just train seminarians in it and offer Latin where people want it and eventually it'll choke out novus ordo through demographics if nothing else
the main problem in the Church today, on the ground level at least, is a lack of basic catechesis in general. The lukewarm attitude of our leaders doesn't help in fighting a culture that's apathetic towards religion, but I know plenty of Catholics who were never even taught about Sunday obligation, let alone proper genuflection or how to receive the Eucharist reverently. Those things are more important than some excommunicate the german archbishops denounce abortion from every pulpit consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart trad fantasy, but I'm of the opinion that a naturally growing, widespread Tridentine would help them, rather than hinder
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Eh, the weak catechesis predates V2 and has only really been improving since the 90s with the publishing of the CCC. The real disaster in the West (aside from general secularization and the child abuse scandals) had less to do with the liturgical changes themselves and more to do with instituting them prior to establishing good modern norms for RCIC.
Between the Kolbe Creation Center and Taylor Marshall/Fr. Ripperger style celebrities there's a lot of fundamentalism going on with Trads on the ground (not just online) that I don't see as being a healthy or desirable path forward. I went to a diocesan TLM parish for about a year right when COVID hit and before getting married dated a gal who had an admin role with the FSSP, so I do have at least some familiarity.
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In America Churches are (mostly)/have always been racially segregated, so while most (at least a plurality still? but I think majority) black people are Christian, you end up only seeing a very small number of them intermingling. This is especially true in the Mainline Protestant denominations even after the 60s which would be where the journos and upper crust kids went growing up.
But also within American Catholicism prior to WW2 everything was divvied up by your ethnicity, so you had Irish parishes, Italian, Hungarian etc. I actually don't see a ton of Latinx traveling out from Spanish language Masses, but at this point whites/asians/the small number of black Catholics are all mixed since most Vietnamese/Korean families raised their kids English only.
American black Catholicism is an interesting topic worth finding an article about. Integration in Louisiana/surrounding areas where they resided was done with such immediacy (prior to the civil rights movement reaching fruition) that most of them got upset, defected and became Baptist.
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When I was a kid we moved for a year on a house which was next to a Baptist Church, god they were laud with their shitty music.
The Russian Orthodox Church in particular has been an extension of the state since Tsar Peter the Great (with exception of the Soviet period during which the church was persecuted or infiltrated with KGB glowies).
The average Russian peasants were quite ignorant about Christian teachings in general because they were illiterate and too uneducated to understand “wordy” terms.
https://rdrama.net/h/lit/post/275922/some-thoughts-on-peasants-by-chekhov
Check this Chekhov short story review on the based and trad mujiks lol.
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Orthodox Churches are hilarious, in the various Byzantine flavors their ecclesial structure is largely a holdover from Ottoman Greece.
And if anyone thinks the scandals in the Catholic Church or Southern Baptists have been bad, the comparative lack of oversight dealing with ethnically segregated immigrants means that almost every eparchy in America has their coffers raided and some wives/children abused every couple years.
Having said that I appreciate that instead of giving rote Thomistic answers for everything their theologians enjoy leaving things defined as "mysteries of the faith".
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