Serbia is circling Kosovo again and balkaners are clashing violently in r/europe

The explanation for whatever legislative shit Serbia is doing is here, but it's long and boring Anyway, to the drama:

"people would receive special social benefits"

Nothing wrong with this.

They way I see it the Kosovo Albanian authorities are trying to force Serbs to move out. Because they do not support Kosovar independence.

The Serbian state on the other hand is trying to subsidize their economy there to keep people from moving out at least due to economic reasons.

A bigger question is: Why is Kurit's regime conducting an ethic cleansing in 2024? And why hasn't he implemeted not 1 point from the Brussels Agreement?

no they're not.

Serbs are free to live in Kosovo.

Yeah theoretically free. But in practice when their kids get shot at by an Albanian policeman on Christmas because they were carrying the Christmas tree (therefore Christian and Serb). And that policeman gets freed and celebrated as a hero.

When civilians are arrested at the rate of 1-2 EVERY DAY. Then you can say that that state is trying to send a message to those people that they are not welcome there. When their car and ever medicine and COOKIES, get confiscated because they are from a Serbian brand,... etc.

Anyway, anoone the least bit interested int he situation on the ground knows what I'm speaking about.

Kosovar Albanian goverment has become 10 times worse that when they tried to accuse Milosevic of.

This caused multiple angry discount serbs to attack, but they were all pissed about the war crimes part, literally no one denied the child shot at Christmas part

Why isnt the government under investigation for crimes against humanity and ethnical cleansing like Milosevic was?

News flash, it is. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53169808 (article about Kosovo's president being accused of war crimes by the Hague)

He's not the government.

Smartest albanian

I feel bad for Serbia. As a country they have so much potential but have been so brainwashed by Russia and are becoming more and more against "the west". .

Russia is to blame for serbs being serbs Also lots of in response.

Mate, they have been bombed without UN approval, they had their territory carved out with approval of the west, and now they are being pushed to mine lithium for wests sake... All under a promise of joining EU which seems farther and farther. In their shoes, I wouldn't be against west, but definitely not for either.

I fully agree that the bombing was not the best answer, but i'd also love to see serbians admit that they have a role in this whole thing and they are not some innocent victims. They act like they did nothing wrong and for some reason the evil west decided to bomb them. Yeah.....no.

I was 7 when I had to flee daily to shelters and hear bombs. Leaving grandparents at home because they couldn't run. My father once stayed to make them feel better. I don't know what kind of mental disease I would need to have to say "yes, I deserved that".

This started a very long argument on whether NATO was a big meanie for bombing Serbia or if serbs deserve it.

Ok, now that we've established that, you see why I don't say "yes, I should've been bombed", and instead have a dislike for the people who did just that to me and my family? And, what's worse, I would still accept Serbia getting into NATO today. But I will NEVER EVER say "oh geez, I'm so glad those good people from NATO took 78 days to rain bombs on me, my friends, my family, forced me to look at dead bodies at 9 years of age just lying in the street, killed by cluster bombs as they were returning from the bazaar buying groceries at 9 am in the morning." And neither will gmaaz. You've misunderstood the comment, but you are still pushing your misunderstanding.

Sample from the drama

They were bombed with UN approval in 1995, 1999 might not have be unanimous but after seeing the ethnic cleansing Milosevic was carrying out in Bosnia, do you think Serbia's approach would have been preferential?

But the most important part of the argument has been settled, serbs were actually bombed with UN's approval

: They have always been against the West. Look at how they contributed 1,500 soldiers to the Ottomans during the fall of Constantinople.

Actually this might be the smartest albanian

: This is just another level of idiotic comments. You are saying that a coutnry defeated and enslaved by the Ottomans, sent 1500 people to fight in the fall of Constantinople 500 years ago? While just 50 years before that it sacrificed 50 000 to fight the Ottomans.

Albania on the other hand has always been against the west if we talk about history, what you guys started existing 100 years ago and even then fought for the Ottoman until they were expelled from the Balkans.

Then in WW2 you fought with Italians, than in Cold war you were friends with Russia and then with China XD

You guys have been less for Europe than Russia has in all its existence XD

: I love when you guys claim we just spontaneously appeared 100 years ago as if our ethnicity didn't exist in the area before you arrived. That's okay, you can't find a single neighboring country that speaks well of you.

: I believe we actually have good relations with most, with Croatia it is not great but it is getting better, with Albania is bad for obvious reasons.

Relations with Macedonia, Hungary, Montenegro and Romania are great. The relations with Bulgaria is also very good, probably best in the history of our two nations.

Now lets try with Albania XD

: Mate America bombing us to end a war they pushed our stupid braindead government into is the reason people hate the west.

And it's just some vocal minority. Most people don't side with Russia one bit, but will say they do out of spite. Those same people will ask for a job in the EU to escape Serbia.

It's just kinda sad that this never reaches anybody and people think Serbia is a Russian worshiper. Far from it, but the government makes it appear so, to maintain the illusion of playing two sides.

America pushed you into? Lmao wtf

"Nooo we had to commit an attempted genocide!!!"

Lunacy

: The comments are full with Serbs playing the victim card. It's either fault of Kosovo Albanians or Americans but definitely not the consequences of their own actions. Smh.

: Am guessing bombing more civilians to stop civilians from being bombed is the answer. The problem is NATO bombed the civilians not the army.

And it worked.

: At cost of innocent lives including a children's hospital. There were better options then hit a children's hospital with depleted uranium

Past a certain point does it even matter what you're hitting those kids with?

: Why do you feel the need to talk when you know nothing about the situation nor how the world works? Yeah, everyone in the Balkans knows the CIA pushed all three sides into this. It's not a secret.

: No, only Serbs claim this, literally noone else does, its just a coping mechanism, you guys cant acept the hard truth that you were the bad guys, and still act like that today, trying to destabilise all your neighbours

: That is true. It's also true it didn't come from nowhere. You think Tito died and the first thing people did was think "darn I really need to kill some muslims"?

Nationalism took some time to develop, but it did not happen on its own.

Also no it's not only Serbs :) again there's a reason we regular people call each others brothers in the Balkans.

: No we dont

: We being Yugoslavia, maybe I wasn't obvious. Considering the topic related to Bosnia initially. Cheers

: I dont think Bosnians, Croats and Albanians call you brothers, that's like half of yougoslavia, im just saying

: Dunno been there a lot, traveled a lot, got many friends in those places, I play games with Croats and Bosnians. Never seen or heard any issues. You hear a lot "we are brothers and always will be". Got many free drinks and even food, got invited over by owners to laugh at tourists, lots of trash talking of our own countries to one another.

But I get your bias. It's fine. You guys got Italy.

Second argument on whether serbs are liked by the rest of the Balkans. They aren't

long post about how Kosovo sucks with lots of links so I won't copy it here

: You're free to post yourself, why is it OP's fault that he's not posting Serbian news? Please don't act as a victim, grow some balls

: How is this "act as a victim"? Do you even know what it means or do you guys just parrot it around. Seriously someone yesterday talked about litnium mining protests, and suddenly someone from Kosovo says, "SeRbS AcTinG LiKe VicTimS", do you guys say anything else maybe?

: I mean you are acting as a victim because the OP did not post serbian news, you're free to do it yourself. Do you guys say anything else than Kosovo is Serbia?

Kosovo is still part of Serbia under International Law. You dont even got the recognition of all EU Members. Its been a while since 2008 buddy

: And when Serbs visit Kosova, they hand over their passport at the border and say "Please, thanks you!" and enter the country with a stamp on their passport :)

doesnt matter. Kosovo* is still an integral part of Serbia under International Law. you forget that every occupation ends.

: When will Serbia get freed by Russian occupation? Kosova is part of Europe and the flag flies high all over Europe. You are free to visit my country whenever you like! Don't forget to take the necessary documents to cross the border!

>the flag flies high all over Europe

No it doesn't

The ICJ ruled that the declaration of Independence of Kosovo did not violate international law. This was literally requested by serbia, and when they didn't like the results they just cried and started ignoring it. Kosovo was occupied by the serbs In the first place dumbass. Thats like saying Kosovo is italian because it was ruled by the Roman empire for some time. You guys we're never the original inhabitants you were just the invaders.

: And ICJ ruled that Serbia didn't commit genocide on Kosovo. And Albanians are still talking about non existing genocide on Kosovo.

Source?

: https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/09/07/UN-court-rules-no-genocide-in-Kosovo/5224999835200/ Actually it was not ICJ, but still UN court.

Did you read the whole thing?

"The court maintains that war crimes and crimes against humanity did take place but the "the exactions committed by Milosevic's regime cannot be qualified as criminal acts of genocide, since their purpose was not the destruction of the Albanian ethnic group ... but its forceful departure from Kosovo."

: Yea, genocide didn't happen! I didn't said that war crimes didn't happen.

Fricking Balkans man

Why does Serbia want Kosovo more than being in the EU?

Also, why are people downvoting me for asking a simple question? Like darn just answer it instead of pooping on me. Yall are annoying for real.

: Why does Ukraine want Crimea and Donbass more than having peace? Couldn't they just give up on it? Apply the same standard to Serbia

: I can't remember Ukraine committing genocide in Crimea nor Donbas.

What genocide Serbia did in Kosovo, can't wait to hear NATO prevented it, and then I will say, well why they don't to same in Israel when it's same situation

Don't throw genocide like that when even ICJ said it wasn't genocide

Israel can bomb back, Serbia was both uppity and defenceless

Trying to make the European continent one big union is a mistake. Most of the east is too different from the west. Which is fine, just let them do their own thing. Stop trying to force these opposites together.

: You preachy frick, France was clinging to Algeria like its life depended on it until it lost, Germany sucked up to Russia since the height of the cold war, Italy was in a grip of Berlusconi of all people for a decade. High and mighty, aren't you?

: Western Europeans think theyre God's gift to Earth

: Not really, but... and I'm not trying to offend anyone here, if you look at our social security system, lack of corruption compared to for instance Eastern Europe, amount of freedom, income, quality etc, it's not a bad place to start, is it?

: You also have the advantage of having been the conquerors not the conquered. Turns out it's easier to develop when you're taking the resources than when you're the one they're taken from

: Of course, even though I've to say it's been a while since Denmark conquered anything. Anyway my point is that what the EU wants to spread wealth etc out amongst its members. That's why the richest countries give more to the EU, than they receive.

Exactly, just keep the gibs flowing

There are a lot more fights in the comments if you're curious