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https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Mikhail-Bulgakov/dp/0679760806

This is the Burgin/O’Connor translation. It is considered the best one

The early translation by Glenny runs more smoothly than that of the modern translations; some Russian-speaking readers consider it to be the only one creating the desired effect, though it may take liberties with the text.[citation needed] The modern translators pay for their attempted closeness by losing idiomatic flow.[citation needed] Literary writer Kevin Moss considers the early translations by Ginsburg and Glenny to be hurried, and lacking much critical depth.[32] As an example, he claims that the more idiomatic translations miss Bulgakov's "crucial" reference to the devil in Berlioz's thoughts (original: "Пожалуй, пора бросить все к черту и в Кисловодск…"[33]): "I ought to drop everything and run down to Kislovodsk." (Ginsburg) "I think it's time to chuck everything up and go and take the waters at Kislovodsk." (Glenny) "It's time to throw everything to the devil and go off to Kislovodsk." (Burgin and Tiernan O'Connor)"It's time to send it all to the devil and go to Kislovodsk." (Pevear and Volokhonsky)"To heck with everything, it's time to take that Kislovodsk vacation." (Karpelson) "It's time to let everything go to the devil and be off to Kislovodsk." (Aplin) "It's time to throw it all to the devil and go to Kislovodsk." (John Dougherty) Several literary critics hailed the Burgin/Tiernan O’Connor translation as the most accurate and complete English translation, particularly when read in tandem with the matching annotations by Bulgakov's biographer, Ellendea Proffer.[34] However, these judgements predate translations by Pevear & Volokhonsky, Karpelson, Aplin, and Dougherty. The Karpelson translation, even when republished in the UK by Wordsworth, has not been Anglicised, and retains North American spellings and idioms.

If there’s some Russian here maybe he, she, they could tell us about that Russian quote and compare it.

Anyways, voting on the matter of pages is until midnight E.T. But there’s such a big difference is fair to say 100 pages is going to win.

If the 100 pages option wins then we read the first 7 chapters. Otherwise we would read the first 3. @Mikaela please ping all of those who voted today. We’ll start discussions on Sunday July 2nd at noon E.T.

A nice Sunday and a good week to all of you guys :#marseythumbsup:

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The problem with modern totalitarian regimes - the most disgusting form of government - is that they produce no art: no music, no literature, no poetry, no architecture, no visual arts. The art that does come out of such states comes from those who hate what they are and oppose them (at least passively). One of the most terrifying possibilities of the 21st Century is that the ultra-conservative/religious right wing of American politics will realize its long-held aim of a totalitarian theocracy. (Another case of the need to be careful what you wish for: the NRA's policy of making sure white supremacists have an adequate supply of Uzis may backfire. If the rightwingers establish their tyranny, one of the first things they'll do is repeal the 2nd Amendment.)

:#marseymagarentfree:

That’s a top review from Amazon lmao. As if the GOP were just like Stalin and Hitler.

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Almost all totalitarian govs invested heavily in the arts, is he referring to the fact the book was written in the USSR or something? Doesn’t that contradict his comment? Or are commies not totalitarian

have an adequate supply of Uzis may backfire

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about guns, he chooses the most r-slurred and hated gun

One of the most terrifying possibilities of the 21st Century is that the ultra-conservative/religious right wing of American politics will realize its long-held aim of a totalitarian theocracy.

Lol do they mean the people pushing for religious freedom, freedom of association, and free speech so they can free be religious r-slurs and raise their kids how they want without gov interference are totally just like theocracies?

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In fact Totalitarian Regimes were very interested in arts. Joseph Goebbels created the Reichskulturkammer to promote “aryan art” and so he could purge so called “jewish degeneracy” from the public view. Architects like Albert Speer and sculptors like Arno Breker were symbols of the regime.

As for Bulgakov, he opposed Stalinism but Stalin was strangely rather fond of him. Once he wrote a letter he would quickly regret to Stalin asking permission to leave the USSR, Stalin personally called him to have a conversation and asked him if he truly wanted to leave, he replied that a Russian author should remain in his country and Stalin put him to work at the Art Theater. He wasn’t allowed to publish any criticism, but Stalin kind of protected him from his purges and kept him busy writing plays.

he chooses the most r-slurred and hated gun

Strange he didn’t mentioned AR-15 lmao. These people believe magacels are about to turn the US into The Handmaid’s Tale at any moment, and that you’re just one election away from that happening.

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