Rdrama Bookclub Discussion Thread #12 :marseyreading:. Blood Meridian (Chapter I-V) :marseybountyhunter::capycowboy:

!bookworms, first Blood Meridian thread!

Next week's thread will cover chapter's VI-XI.

Hope you guys are enjoying it!

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!bookworms, I forgot to add this post to /h/lit :marseyspecial: is there any way to edit that and assign it now?

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report post to /h/lit

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Report :marseyreport: it with the hole name

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:#marseyvault:

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Maybe I'm a brainlet :marseywomanmoment: but idk why the kid fought the dude from the bar. Seemed like an over react

Also:

Man:

How did you know he did it?

Judge:

I've never :marseyitsover: seen that man in my life

:#gigachad2:

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>I've never seen that man in my life

This was the line that made me realize I was reading a truly great book.

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:#marseymisinformation:

Judge is just an old western :marseycowboy: dramatard :marseydramautist: cmv

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Literally :marseyme: McCarthy role play

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why the kid fought the dude from the bar

He doesn't speak any Spanish and felt threatened

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I thought it was because he sweeped up to get paid for a drink but the floor didn't need any cleaning so they weren't going to pay him. So the kid went full r-slur and threw a big temper tantrum.

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They mocked him too, “quiere trabajar”, considering the war against the US just ended the mexicans thought an american begging for work was quite amusing.

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>I don't understand you so I'm gonna :marseyvenn6: beat the shit out of you

:#marseyretardchad:

There's so much r-slur :marseyspecial: Chad energy :marseyreactor: in this book it's unreal

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>wtf why are these Mexicans speaking Mexican in Mexico :marseycowboy:

>I'm gonna fricking kill him for making fun of me :chudcowboy:

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Unfathomably based :marseychadfoid: tbh

:#gigachad4:

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The captain was even more of a based r-slur, what was his stupid plan anyways? Lmao

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The best part about the captain is that his insane ambitions are based off the real filibusters

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:#marseynotes:

So basically the american version of the Bandeirantes, but with none of the bandeirantes success

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Never heard of these:marseynotes: bandeirantes, how fascinating.

My 2 minute read of wikipedia seems to indicate that they were frontier people who had the brutality and vision to push the frontier. Kinda like coassaks in Russia .

I don't think the filibusters were anywhere near this badass. They were just southern gentlemen who thought (perhaps somewhat correctly) that they could easily occupy the capitals of these Latam countries and then live like kings

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One of the most interesting was the (temporarily) successful William Walker, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster), who came in as a mercenary to Nicaragua, then took over himself and re-instituted slavery until a coalition of all the surrounding countries forced him to flee. Had the South won the civil war odds are half the Caribbean would've been occupied by random slave owners instituting banana republics 60 years earlier

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Southern burger takes over Nicaragua with a few hundred men.

The absolute state of Central-Americancels, total worthless banana republics ever since independence.

But I have to admit, that guy was a force of nature :marseygigachad:

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The were just called Paulistas back in the days. São Paulo is filled with statues and monuments of bandeirantes, the governor's residence and seat of state government is the “Palace of the Bandeirantes”, recently it has sparked controversy and our local leftoids want streets renamed and monuments removed because they were slavers.

They were just southern gentlemen who thought (perhaps somewhat correctly) that they could easily occupy the capitals of these Latam countries and then live like kings

They thought wrongly about successfully occupying any of those, however had they just migrated and bought some land they could easily had become part of the local aristocracy, there have been many latam presidents, legislators and military leaders whose parents were european or middle-eastern immigrants.

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idk about this judge fella he kinda rubs me the wrong way, hopefully he will redeem himself in the rest of the book

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And possibly deliver a judgement in the climax.

:#marseypikachu2::#marseyspit:

I have not read this before :marseyskellington: nor know anything :marseycoleporter: outside :marseygrass: ch1-5.

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>How did you know he was a a p-do? :brainletcaved:

>Never met him before :marseygigachad:

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I'm glad we had the same comment :marseysoypointtrips: for this discussion thread

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There are two things in life I really hate, being dirty and unpredictably violent poor people. This book is my personal heck.

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unpredictably violent poor people

>you mocked me? I'm gonna kill ye

Is hilarious how prone to violence for any minor inconvenience the characters are, completely r-slurred behavior. The judge is the exception as he's just a sadistic psychopath having fun with the violence ridden background.

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I've read Blood Meridian a couple of times so I decided to have a look at the book that inspired it, My Confession by Samuel Chamberlaine, which is available on internet archive. It's hilarious.

>I thought in a society so dangerous I should go armed, and purchased myself a Bowie Knife with a nine-inch blade warranted to cut through bone without turning the edge. A few days later I had trouble with Scotty about the division of some money we had won at a three handed game of Poker with a commissary clerk, in which, to keep up appearances, I lost all my money to Scotty, along with the clerk. When I asked for a settlement, Scotty denied all partnership and swore he had won not only the clerk's, but my money in a fair game, and this when I had “rung in the cold deck” that fleeced us both!

>There was only one way in Texas in '46 to settle misunderstandings of this nature. We went for each other, and he very foolishly run onto the point of my “Arkansas toothpick” and was badly cut for his want of judgement. I was seized by the guard, old Spanish irons were placed on me, and I was thrust into the “Callaboose,” a room about twenty feet square, inhabited by a very select society of Indians, Texans, Horsethieves, Murderers and the vilest characters of the lawless frontier.

>The horrors of the Old Spanish Jail in San Antonio were more terrible than any scene in the Inferno of Dante. How long I remained here I never knew; it seemed years, though it could have been but a few days. I was covered with vermin, the heavy rusty irons wore the flesh of my ankles in which the lice burrowed, my jacket was stolen, and my shirt I tore into strips to bind around the irons to keep them from chafing! The place was outrageously filthy, the air hot and pestiferous, food scant and poor, with water unfit even for washing. The awful blasphemy of the wretches incarcerated with me, their horrid bestial orgies too revolting for belief, drove me in my weak state insane.

>Fortunately for me Scotty recovered and declined to appear against me, so I was turned loose, with nothing on but my pants, and wild with my sufferings. I can faintly remember flying, I thought pursued by Demons, and then came darkness and oblivion.

>From this I awoke with a most delicious sense of comfort and freedom from pain. I was in a nice soft clean bed and an old lady was sitting close knitting beside an open window through which came a sweet fresh breeze. Hearing me stir, she left the room crying out, “Carl! Carl!” and a young man entered the room. He congratulated me on the recovery of my reason and informed me that I was in his house in Castroville, thirty miles from San Antonio, that I had been found by a farmer three weeks before, lying near the road entirely nude and insensible. My host was a Doctor, Carl Ritter by name, a member of the German settlement at Castroville.

The matter of fact style intermixed with flashes of vivid imagery is an obvious influence on Blood Meridian. The main difference I can see is that Blood Meridian is consistently morbid while Chamberlaine's style is jaunty - let me tell you a funny story. I'm 20% through, 5/5.

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What?

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I loved the part where the judge said "I will be the judge of that." And then he let loose and judged all over everyone.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/6PAbFX7jVXWTK/giphy.webp

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My thoughts on it so far. The story and setting are quite engaging, the lack of punctuation makes it a bit harder to follow at the beginning but one gets used after chapter 1. The narration style is quite interesting, the book begins with “See the kid”, as if the narrator is showing us what is happening. The book is more gruesome that I thought, so far we've seen babies murdered, an entire town scalped and mutilated, gory details about eyes being plugged, smell of urine mixed with blood after the battle, etc. All of that within the context of the end of the American-Mexican war, the captain is a moronic burger with no plan at all besides some vague “we'll take the north of Mexico for us, rule over the mexicans and kill the darn injuns” which ends up backfiring horribly.

I like it, I'm curious to see where the story goes.

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I think a lot of people get filtered by McCarthy's prose and I was still getting used to it until the Apache attack, then I was so hooked I nearly finished the book that night

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A legion of horribles, hundreds in number, half naked or clad in costumes attic or biblical or wardrobed out of a fevered dream with the skins of animals and silk finery and pieces of uniform still tracked with the blood of prior owners, coats of slain dragoons, frogged and braided cavalry jackets, one in a stovepipe hat and one with an umbrella and one in white stockings and a bloodstained weddingveil and some in headgear of cranefeathers or rawhide helmets that bore the horns of bull or buffalo and one in a pigeontailed coat worn backwards and otherwise naked and one in the armor of a spanish conquistador, the breastplate and pauldrons deeply dented with old blows of mace or saber done in another country by men whose very bones were dust and many with their braids spliced up with the hair of other beasts until they trailed upon the ground and their horses' ears and tails worked with bits of brightly colored cloth and one whose horse's whole head was painted crimson red and all the horsemen's faces gaudy and grotesque with daubings like a company of mounted clowns, death hilarious, all howling in a barbarous tongue and riding down upon them like a horde from a heck more horrible yet than the brimstone land of Christian reckoning, screeching and yammering and clothed in smoke like those vaporous beings in regions beyond right knowing where the eye wanders and the lip jerks and drools.

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Are you feeling okay bud?

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ah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.

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See the dramatard, he reads a post, he searches for the adequate marseys among the myriad of orange felines. He upmarseys his fellow mates and contemplates the ignorance and stupidity of lolcows, then he reflects about himself and about how he came to be where he is.

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Darn, you're really mad over this, but thanks for the effort you put into typing that all out! Sadly I won't read it all.

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It's quite interesting

But a little bit hard to read for me without punctuation and many rare words, that I see for the first time :marseybrainlet:

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"Ctrl + f"

"Ni..."

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The way the text is written makes it feel droning to me, which I think is intended.

The kid is oddly lucky in terms of finding people who will give him kindness. Of course he tends to lie to make himself more sympathetic, but it's still striking to me. I guess partially because I was warned about the violence so it has less of an effect.

Of course, the hermit probably wanted to r*pe the kid, so that's only half a kindness I guess.

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I was a bit shocked at how he just happened to survive the onslaught of the legion of horribles. I know I know it's a story with a shitty ending if our main protagonist had died there but from how McCarthy described the carnage and viciousness of the Indians I would have thought there's no fricking way he could have made it out alive, let alone without severe cuts or wounds.

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this book is very loosely based on true events, judge was a real dude

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Apparently the book version of the judge is more of a supernatural entity, we'll see that in the following chapters.

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For once I actually had time to read :platyblush:

Western America sounded like a meh setting at first but so far I am pleasantly surprised.

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Westerns are awesome. It's lawlessness in an era of firearms with different :marseyvenn3: groups and many personas vying for power :marseyreactor: to bring their idea of order to the area

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The author made up the word sleared for his book, what an butthole

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:#marseyaugust:

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