That's right you filthy scrotes! In modern literature you are NOT allowed to have writings about women which appeals to the Male gays - you are NOT allowed to have ANYTHING which appeals to men, because it is CHAUVINIST and SEXIST and ALIENATES people of fronthole predispositions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 
You will see this mentality all over on online reddit, it really is repulsive. Once again it is one of those bastardized liberal ideals which is good at heart and concept, but which has been warped into a corrupted woke force by shitliks and wokescolds.
The idea that women can be put off by men who get them wrong or that female characters can be written as nothin more than smut coomer bait 
is a valid complaint by feminists. Whether it be a hobby being so stratified by gender, or a genre or franchise being so male dominated, especially by neckbeards who've never interacted with womynx their entire lives outside of the fast food teller, and are thus writing women so freakishly badly that as literary devices they are actual abominations to the craft of writing itself,
all of these ideas and complaints I feel are valid. /r/menwritingwomen on the surface would be a cool conceptual sub to learn about how much men get wrong in their descriptions of the fairer s*x - how attitudes and outlooks can differ between the sexes, even those mistakes done completely without malice or chauvinism, and only through ignorance and the fact that sexes seldom can truly conceptualize the differences in lifestyle each other faces.
Isn't that a cool idea for a sub?? 
But that is NOT what /r/MenWritingWomen is about. The 1st time you'd read or interact with the sub and similar subs on Reddit, you'd come to the conclusion that they have a point! Men having been the dominant demographic in fiction for the past 100 years - and this has led to unintentional but real cultural chauvinism in Male dominated writings - similar to Japs in anime which cannibalizes its own tropes and has a very incestuous relationship with its own literature, and the complaints of even weebs about the Anime industry being redundant and repetitive, is rampant on even weebshit forums or subs, and has been criticized heavily outside the anime-fandoms for these childish and infantile tropes which invest the anime industry,
to the extent that even dramatards here have developed a great deal of disrespect and active hatred for anime, and don't miss a chance to let us all know how much they hate the medium on every Weekly Anime Post here.
In the same vein as the average dramatard would hate one weebshit, so too would the femcels of /r/MenWritingWomen b-word and moan about any literature written by man, but especially when there has been any sexuality or romance added. But Again, on the surface level you'd be forgiven to believe initially they had a point!
Many many male authors themselves had openly stated publicly that they struggle to write realistic women, and those of us who've had actually picked up a book since the prescribed shit we were assigned and forced to read since highschool, may have come to the same conclusion - that writing realistic and authentic people is difficult, especially if those peeps are decisively outside your demographic, and thus the function of /r/MenWritingWomen would be a fascinating outlook on this previously male dominated genre of writing, especially when most writers had been influenced by their past peers, and since fantasy writing had been dominated by men for the past 100 years and more, the scrotes 
of today obviously didn't exactly have numerous feminine examples from which to forge their writings after!
But again that is NOT what /r/MenWritingWomen is about. Instead it's a quasi femcel sub invested with bitter hags who hate men, and more specifically hate anything related to catering to men.
The sub may have been founded on good ideals, after all I kinda agree with the in-sub meme about the trope of female characters boobily doing action scenes and how attention is unnecessarily placed on to the 
BOSOM of heroines by male authors. Our boi Robert Jordan had zero shame in his portrayal of babes with LARGE bosoms in Wheel of Time.
But the circlejerk which invariably breaks the original culture of all large reddit subreddits, has meant that the sub would spiral into continuous purity bitching regarding the words written by men, to more and more extreme degrees. To the point where, the sub focused not just on men writing women in an absurdly oversexualized coomer fanfiction, to basically bitching about any words every written by a male author having the AUDACITY to even THINK about sexualizing a female character or the female form. 
Now most normie women 
who have good lives IRL and aren't legbeards who waste their lives away on internet echo chambers will also have their own scale or stadard to which they will tolerate a male author's incompetence regarding the writing of a fictional woman, and whether any romance or s*x between a man and women is endearing or r-slurred.
But the femcels on /r/MenWritingWomen have standards SO perverse, that no book or novel ever written by the male s*x is not misogyny or chauvinism or abrasive to femcels. Ask them long enough and they'll be fricking hard pressed to bring up even ONE example of a book written by a man that is in no way PROBLEMATIC 
to their senses. In fact if the circlejerk reaches critical levels on the sub that particular day, then the consensus of the femcels are that it is in fact IMPOSSIBLE for a man to write a woman, or sexualize women which is in no degree chauvinistic, EVEN if that book is the rare male-authored Romance novel 
and the very fricking objective such a book is the inevitable romance leading to sexuality of the characters!!!
And this is my problem with /r/MenWritingWomen and the types of shitlib femcels who share their extreme variant of this Progressive ideology - they take the concept of men failing to portray women faithfully being an issue to women, to taking that ideal to the extreme degree in which ANY writing, even those deliberately catered to the male audience, especially sexuality or romantic intentions appealing to men are taboo for these hags 
They're also hypocritical in the sense that they will never EVER avow or acknowledge that women are capable of the same vice of writing male characters flawed as women too struggle to conceptualize demographics outside of their life-experiences. None of the legion of shitty smut written by Foids 
in the world, even the most lowbrow shit ever enters their criticism echochamber. No proof will ever let them confess any legitimacy that this is a unisex problem.
Now matter that Romance is still the top-selling genre of books for women in the world, and that all of these fricking things are literal fantasies where women envision themselves picked up by Chad, which would realistically be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of their league lol.
Even non-Romance novels are seldom ever acknowledged by these femcels to ever have any flaw by women. And instead it seems like these zoomer freaks aspire to hall all of fiction be sandblasted 
free of ANY sexuality, especially the sexual portrayal of women in attractive form.
There is a theme and similarity between /r/MenWritingWomen, and the recent Sweet-Baby-Inc type shitlibs who've reached the helm of command of organizations and mandating that all female characters be blobbed featureless fuglified unattractive female characters, especially characters which had been deemed attractive by men.
But the men remain sexy! Just like the impossibly attractive HVM Chad who fricks the fat chick in the shitty sloppy foid romance novels lmoa
Spend long enough with /r/MenWritingWOmen types and you'll even develop the conspiracy theory 
that the reason why the femcels there hate sexuality portrayed by male authors, is NOT because they dislike unfitting sexuality placed within books by male authors,
but simply because just like Sweet-Baby-Inc DEI types, they want to warp all male sexuality to have no competition against attractive women in fiction!! 
and want all fantasy sexuality to only feature fatsos and fugly people like themselves!
Of course I'm probably full of shit in this regard - what are you theories and Hot 
Takes on this, dramatards?
40K LITERATURE DRAMARAMA:
I was combing through old controversial threads in the sub, when I found a common theme to cause disunity in the sub - bitching about a top Black Library author who portrayed women as sexy in his books 
https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1d3z0te/things_that_annoy_me_about_gaunts_ghosts/
Dan Abnett is my FAVORITE 40Kslop author and is well regarded by most 40k reading r-slurs @D
but there are still slapfights about Dan Avnett and his writing style, and the peeps who hate his books, REALLY hate his books, and this causes some friction 
especially since Abnett has contributed something like over 100 novels/short-stories/audio-dramas to the Black Library over the past 20 years!
Many wokescolds have bitched about Dan because in his early work all of the female companions and heroines were all super sexy and woke skintight stealth bodysuits 
And boyyyyyyyyyyyyyy don't they do the feministas don't like this at all! 
"He's got better recently but yes. My brother and I still have a running joke about 'voluptuous' and Kara Swole in the Ravenor series" 
"I had a ex-gf that I introduced to WH40k, and we started with Eisenhorn and Ravenor She even commented that it sounded like Dan Abnett needs to get laid or something, or start writing for Playboy or another Gentleman's magazine... At one point she was laughing about the Carnivora acrobatic plot line, when Dan Abnett spent an entire page explaining/detailing Kara's transparent skin tight suit thing lol"
Lol Dan can be thirsty but these fools exaggerate to an obscene degree - I don't know what sexless Sci-Fi slop they usually read where even the comparatively minor sexualization is so instantly abrasive to these sexless zoomer fools, but it's always apparent the personality type of people bitching about sexy women in fiction.
The next butthole badmouths our boi Jordan! 
Reminds me of the Wheel of Time. I actually gave up halfway through the first book after the 98th usage of the word "bosom". Men cross their arms, women "cross their arms over their heaving bosoms"
"You really don't want to read the Peter Hamilton books... Every female character is insanely hot and described in great detail and how the clothes they wear shows off their pert and full breasts and accentuates their long legs. Every single man is entranced as they breast boobily down the stairs. They guys? I dunno Brown hair and a suit?"
THE BOOOBILY BREAST BOOBILY MEME MAYAY 
Chain further devolves into Wheel of Time bashing
"Wheel of Time lol 😂 the most overrated book of all time my dog could write better prose."
Thank you. I used to play MUDs based on the games with friends, which forced me to keep reading the progressively worse books - And what makes it worse is that it's marketed as a supposedly feminist series due to being matriarchal, when all the ostensibly powerful female characters besides Morraine end up acting like petty children, fawning over male characters, and fantasizing about being spanked. It made me wonder what Jordan's wife was like. She must have spent all of her time smoothing skirts, tugging her braid, and folding her arms underneath her ample bosom." 
"How the frick did he get married" 
Back to 40K reeeeeing
No sexy people in MY FICTION! 
"Yeah, Dan Abnett's a decent author, but writing women is one of his biggest weaknesses, if not the biggest. Gotten better over time, but Legion was definitely where it plummeted, and I still remember that one Gaunt's Ghosts book where one female soldier accused another of trying to get with Gaunt because he was the alpha male or some other dumb shit, and that the second disliked the first because she saw her as a competitor for the "alpha"."
Dan Abnett is a flawed author, and female chars are one of his weaknesses, the but the DEGREE to which these straggots categorize his writings makes me wonder if they explode 
if they read other actually much more chauvinistic literature out ther?
"What did you expect from an almost 25 year old book. Male audiences like(d) sexy girls. I don't see a problem even now. Especially because most of the women Tanith are super competent."
What did you expect, we were all cavemen savages 25 years ago, where everything written by sexist problematic boomers 
was all conservative trash!! MODERN AUDIENCES don't like sexy grils anymore! 
"As a straight woman-" 
"Opinion disregarded!" 
"I'm sorry my take was shallow and boring for you." 
"EDIT: And just to be clear since I've seen this accusation elsewhere; I'm not advocating for a rewriting of the series or saying that people shouldn't read them, or that Abnett should be, like, cancelled or something. I think we can acknowledge that his early writing had these problems, though."
Sure @sshole 
You just want wrongthink to be sandblasted out of existence
"Don't be reactionary, there are absolutely problems with early handling of women. No one has agitated for "cleansing", they're just asking if the writing gets better because I have to tell you, Abnett's earlier writing is absolute terrible when it comes to female characters. But Abnett improves as a writer and human being, so later on his female characters are just characters that happen to be female rather than a strange alien species. Notably, he got a wife, herself a writer, who doubtless had Opinions about how weird the women were written in comparison to the way women are in real life (ie. normal people too)."
And again here is the issue which I think is murky - many secular puritans verge on this edge where they have a sensible point regarding the failing of male authors regarding the depiction of women authentically, and this concept warped by their new woke secular religiosity puritanism, where wrongthink is to be shamed by the tribe for conformity. 
I don't know what to make of this, what are your thoughts on this, dramatards?
Some coomer chads
"I love his work but in this day and age of madness women aren't allowed to be attractive because ugly women are jealous" 
Remember that one soy https://old.reddit.com/user/tutorp I followed some of these types and they all have this same one-minded mentality
"How is eisenhorn chauvinistic?" 
"Chauvinistic might be a bit of an overstatement, but I've heard people get a little put off by the way Abnett writes his female characters in Eisenhorn and Ravenor, and by how some of the female characters are described, physically. A bit of a "male gaze"/fanservice way - which I do kind of agree is the case. It's not a big part of the books, though The Bequin books does not have that, so it's arguably a POV character thing more than an Abnett thing. Or he has improved his characterization of female characters. :-)" 
CONCLUSION WITH RANDOM DAN ABNETT HATE THREAD:
https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1ac8t5n/dan_abnett_is_the_king_of_40k/
"I genuinely don't understand the Abnett worship. Like… at his best he's pretty good, at his worst, which is more frequent, he's the most monstrously self indulgent author I've ever seen. His pacing is awful, he spends half the book introducing the plot and solves the ordeal in 2 pages with a hasty copout." 
"well the Reddit cesspool doesn't seem to like it so it must be good"
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