/h/lit House Racist
nuclearshill gau/cho  2mo ago (image post) 329 thread views #299984

Weekly "what are you reading" Thread #66 :marseyreading:

Unable to load image

To discuss your weekly readings of books, textbooks and papers.

I'm still reading Ben Wilson's "Metropolis" as I've been very slow this week and I ended up reading almost nothing.

!bookworms

Aevann :#marseypin: pls

42
New Old Top Bottom Controversial Random
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

View entire discussion

:#marseyluthersoytalking:

!catholics

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Lutheran church is also anti-christ

Matthew 23:9

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

Thomas Muntzer was right and Luther betrayed the reformation, Catholics won...

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

@Corinthian as our professional theologian, what's your take on this passage? :#marseythonk:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Some Protestants argue that this usage changed with the New Testament—that while it may have been permissible to call certain men "father" in the Old Testament, since the time of Christ, it's no longer allowed. This argument fails for several reasons.

First, as we've seen, the imperative "call no man father" does not apply to one's biological father. It also doesn't exclude calling one's ancestors "father," as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac."

Second, there are numerous examples in the New Testament of the term "father" being used as a form of address and reference, even for men who are not biologically related to the speaker. There are, in fact, so many uses of "father" in the New Testament, that the objection to Catholics calling priests "father" must be wrong, as we shall see.

Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn't intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called 'rabbi,' for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called 'masters,' for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

St. Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians, 4:

14 "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. 15 For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."

One of the least coherent instances of taking a single line out of context that's contradicted throughout both Old and New Testament. :marseyshrug:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

He means to not call people "Fathers" in the context of religion, I never said he argued it literally or relating to biological families lmao.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

No, Jesus was saying to hold no man above God, and St. Paul referring to himself as a (spiritual) father in First Corinthians would be a prooftext for Catholic usage of the term.

The link I provided goes on:

Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: "She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark" (1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, "Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children" (2 Cor. 12:14); and, "My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!" (Gal. 4:19).

John said, "My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1); "No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth" (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as "fathers" (1 John 2:13–14).

So either Ss. Peter, Paul, and John are all wrong or Protestants just fail in contextual literacy. Which is more likely? :marseyclueless: I think you're trolling me but you have no idea how much I enjoy talking about my !Catholics faith. It's truly my special :marseyautism: interest. If it weren't the weekend I'd go all day and night with you. :marseyflirt: Please @ me religious content/questions in the future. :marseyblush:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I don't care what the Catholic Church thinks bro

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

1. why did you ask?

2. why shouldn't you care about how the universal church established by the Apostles interpets things? The tradition passed down is a core part of having a morally consistent faith and prevents fractal schisming like the 30 odd thousand protestant ines

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Sola Scriptura for me

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Protestantism really is the beginning of American-style Atheism because of the "Actually, I read the Bible and have decided it means this other thing that makes no sense so I can disregard it and years of apostolic teachings from the organization who compiled the book and insert my own interpretation that is limited atonement :marseychudgravedance:/Total Depravity :chudjakdancing:/God isn't really real but we should keep puritan morality and worship our idea of science :sciencejak:"

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Counterpoint: You're alive and breathing air on Earth and there's a 90% chance that's because of Americans.

:#marseyfuckyou:

A generation of my people spent the best years of their lives so that you could whine about it now cute twink. Literally keep yourself safe.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

What the frick are you talking about? You okay, buddy?

(Besides, I spent literal years in two shitholes for this country and I'll shit on the floor in Times Square if I feel like it)

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

1 John 2:1

My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. If anyone sins, we have a Counselor{Greek Parakleton: Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, and Comfortor.} with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous.

1 John 2:13

I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, little children, because you know the Father.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Acts 7:2

He said, "Brothers and fathers, listen. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,

Romans 9:10

Not only so, but Rebecca also conceived by one, by our father Isaac.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Read the Bible for yourself and make your own conclusions instead of relying on church authority, thats what Jesus would have wanted

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Who compiled the bible again?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Jesus quotes many books that are outside of the Bible canon, imo the Catholic Bible isnt even compiled correctly.

You need to be reading the Apocrypha as well.

Also protestant Bibles have nothing to do with the Catholic church, when the KJV 1611 was written for example they took the texts from the ancient hebrew and greek scripts while the Catholics only allowed the Vulgate. The KJV 1611 has more books than the Catholic Canon.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Matthew 23:9

Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Thats what I (and Jesus) been saying bro...

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Link copied to clipboard
Action successful!
Error, please refresh the page and try again.