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Asian man says Japanese jazz is best jazz, Music Twitter is :marseymalding: over this and calls him racist

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A random portfolio manager nobody cares about posted this tweet just as an aside.

Note that this guy may have a wrong opinion (at least to me) but of course, who should care about this? It's not like this was a celebrity or artist like James Blake saying the saxophone is a bad instrument in an interview.

Here's the reactions:

:marseyetika: I'll be the one to say it, calling Japanese jazz better than American Jazz is for sure racist.

:marseyjapanese: you want an example of an American genre that the Japanese ran to the endzone with? that's noise rock. don't bring jazz into this.

I disagree


:marseychudneet:Аmеrісаn јаzz іѕ wоrthlеѕѕ nіggеrnоіѕе. Ѕhоw mе уоur Ѕроtіfу hіѕtоrу ѕо І саn ѕее hоw muсh јаzz уоu lіѕtеn tо

:marseyetika: I think I'll probably just block you for being a racist p-dophile

I agree


:bbbq: These are big statements built off of what is ultimately personal taste.

Output is shaped by culture, and reinforced through shared preference.

So all you're seeing is where your preferences intersect.

An actual rational opinion

:marseysoren: Japanese jazz is not superior to American jazz. Some of it is excellent but no serious jazz player would agree with that.

"""Same here"""


:marseyseethe: The most “Thing, Japan” post maybe ever.

:marseyindignantturn: A lot of you are exposing yourselves as anti-Black, Asian fetishizers, or both on here.

I argued with this guy before about Miles Davis biographies and biographers. I won.


:marseyyoushouldkillyourselfnow: "Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz"


:marseygrilling2: Whether trolling or not I'm adding this to my file of top-notch bait


:marseyracistcheck2: "Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz" you literally just hate Black people


A random Hotep joins in

:marseykente: :yakub: Crying at thinking Japanese Jazz is better than the American BLACK Jazz … Better than the ORIGINATORS?! BASURA


:marseyblack2: I'm sorry. “Japanese Jazz” borrows heavily from the 70s fusion era of Return to Forever, Herbie Hanpeepee and the Miles Davis school of experimentation. It's…more rigid and soundtrack-y in comparison to the OGs. It's not superior. Stop this.

I heavily disagree with the Herbie Hanpeepee and Miles Davis comment but Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra definitely inspired "Japanese jazz".

:djtwanted: Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz. BZZT. WRONG

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Lmao, the gall of your average American "jazz" fan.

:marseykingkrazy: People say this and the Japanese jazz they're talking about is like Ryo Fukui


:marseysurftheweb: "Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz" is the worst misinformation to ever come from the youtube algorithm


:marseyseethe: 'japanese jazz > american jazz' is such a dipshit normie take mostly from people who don't even listen to any jazz

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:marseylibleft: "japanese jazz is superior to american jazz" is one of those opinions that acts as a nazi dogwhistle

Didn't Adorno your Marxist college idol say jazz fricking sucked?

If one attempts, as has been the case often enough, to consider the use value of jazz, its suitability as a mass commodity, as a corrective to the bourgeois isolation of autonomous art, as something which is dialectically advanced, and to accept its use value as a motive for the nullification (Aujhebung) of the object character (Dingcharakter) of musk, one succumbs to the latestform of Romanticism which, because of its anxiety in the face of the fatal characteristics of capitalism, seeks a despairing way out, in order to affirm the feared thing itself as a son of ghastly allegory of the coming liberation and to sanctify negativity - a curative in which, by the way, jazz itself would like to believe. - Adorno, On Jazz :commiebrainlet:

WORDS WORDS WORDS - TL;DR he fricking hates jazz because muh capitalism


The final quote I've got:

:marseynerd: YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD ORNETTE COLEMAN WAS OH MY GOD

@MarseyIsMyWaifu is this you? Also probably has only listened Ornette's 50's and 60's albums but not his 70's and 80's albums. Delusional.

A number of other quotes were talking about J-pop and following the same line of logic as this cute twink was on about Japanese jazz. Self-awareness is zero for (most of) these commenters. If you didn't read or even look at the Marseys, your average American jazz fan is as r-slurred as your average Japanese jazz fan or just calling this "racist" for some reason.

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His take is correct, I will give an even hotter take and say that despite being excellent at making video games, Japanese RPGs pale in comparison to their western counterparts.

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Japanese RPG:

Western RPG:

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Western RPGs:

Japanese RPGs:

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Western RPGs:

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Japanese RPGs:

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Japanese RPGs:

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:soyjakfat: HECKIN CHIPTUNE MUZAK PERFORMED BY A LIVE ORCHESTRA OH MY SOIENCE

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Your take on the J-pop comment?

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His take is correct

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I can't hate on Japanese jazz because it's just a label. I don't think it's superior to American jazz nor is American jazz superior to it. People are just seething because they think Ryo Fukui when you say you love J-jazz and not more far out shit that I've seen Japanese dudes do like the Americans, Europeans, and Africans. But if you like J-jazz as many people see it, I think Heavy Weather by Weather Report is the (American) jazz album for you.

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i don't understand how someone can listen to jazz and also use the term "worthless BIPOCnoise"

inherently you are listening to a BLACKED genre no matter how many mayo podcasters or yellow saxophonists are playing it

anyway listen ->

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if you don't think black music is better than every other music then it means yer racist

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Asains like jazz :marseyhmmm:

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Japs really love jazz. Was the prevalent negro-music at the time of Japanese economic upswing.

Gooks love boy bands and girl bands, because that was the prevalent negro-music at the time of the Korean economic upswing.

Chinks love rap because that was the prevalent negro-music at the time of the Chinese economic upswing.

Viets/Filipinos love EDM and raves because that was the prevalent negro-music at the time of Vietnamese economic upswing.

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Frick hook me up with some Vietnamese EDM that sounds like it might be great lol.

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Japs have loads of jazzists

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lol nobody even has an argument. just "mine is better!" "no mine is better! and if you disagree you're a nazi."

btw: japanese jazz is better :chudsmug:

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>Japanese whiskey is better than original

Opinion discarded :marseyrecycling:

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i like jpop :marseybottom:

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yeah me to when i was 12

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If Mario 2s overworld theme is consider Japanese jazz, then yes

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It's funny we were talking about Get Up With It not long ago because part of the melody of the Mario underground theme:

Is ripped off to Michael Henderson's bassline vamp throughout Calypso Frelimo off the album:

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Even more blatant:

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Mint Jams is a good cd even if it's a YouTube algoslop suggestion. However. The Bridge by Sonny Rollins good too and you've probably never been recommended it. What I'm trying to say is google is bad. jazz is good.

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Youtube's algo has now meant Takanaka's shows have gone from me being the only white dude in a sea of rapidly aging salarymen to that but with a bunch of random zoomzooms who don't speak moonrunes so the audience doesn't have the same atmosphere. I'm sort of happy he's had a revival but nobody deserves a revival like this.

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Understandable opinion to have considering Jazz and Jazz-adjacent Japs are absolute apex males.

(this clip isn't jazz but takanaka did play some)

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Jazz is gay. People who listen to jazz are even gayer.

Jazz musicians are all drugged up sexual predators, so they p cool.

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Japanese :marseymononoke: jizz is best jizz.

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Yeah 80s 90s Japan had some tunes of all time

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>I think I'll probably just block you for being a racist p-dophile

:marseykneel:

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I can take a 9-inch dildo up my butt, because I'm an adult and I solve my own problems

Snapshots:

A random portfolio manager nobody cares about posted this tweet just as an aside.:

saying the saxophone is a bad instrument in an interview:

I'll be the one to say it, calling Japanese jazz better than American Jazz is for sure racist.:

you want an example of an American genre that the Japanese ran to the endzone with? that's noise rock. don't bring jazz into this.:

Аmеrісаn јаzz іѕ wоrthlеѕѕ nіggеrnоіѕе. Ѕhоw mе уоur Ѕроtіfу hіѕtоrу ѕо І саn ѕее hоw muсh јаzz уоu lіѕtеn tо:

I think I'll probably just block you for being a racist p-dophile:

These are big statements built off of what is ultimately personal taste.:

Japanese jazz is not superior to American jazz. Some of it is excellent but no serious jazz player would agree with that.:

The most “Thing, Japan” post maybe ever.:

A lot of you are exposing yourselves as anti-Black, Asian fetishizers, or both on here.:

"Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz":

Whether trolling or not I'm adding this to my file of top-notch bait:

"Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz" you literally just hate Black people:

Crying at thinking Japanese Jazz is better than the American BLACK Jazz … Better than the ORIGINATORS?! BASURA:

I'm sorry. “Japanese Jazz” borrows heavily from the 70s fusion era of Return to Forever, Herbie Hanpeepee and the Miles Davis school of experimentation. It's…more rigid and soundtrack-y in comparison to the OGs. It's not superior. Stop this.:

Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz. BZZT. WRONG:

People say this and the Japanese jazz they're talking about is like Ryo Fukui:

"Japanese jazz is superior to American jazz" is the worst misinformation to ever come from the youtube algorithm:

'japanese jazz > american jazz' is such a dipshit normie take mostly from people who don't even listen to any jazz:

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