@aydyn's comment on 'New Apocalyptic prediction. Unpublished dutch paper predicts AMOC collapse by 2050 :marseyplanet: :marseyfrozen: :marseyill:'

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1embcm9/new_dutch_modelbased_study_suggests_amoc_is_more/

!ifrickinglovescience I'm too lazy to effortpost today but "AMOC" is short for Atlantic meridional overturning circulation. And here's the wikipedia article along a gross simplification for dramatards :marseysleep:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation

Ever wondered how come that England has a mild climate despite being located at the same latitude as the Alberta Province in Canada?

AMOC is the reason, the Gulf Stream which is part of the system to be more precise

If AMOC and the Gulf Stream shut down then London is going to get the same harsh winters as Calgary gets :marseyill: . It will also affect the global hydrological cycle.

The last IPCC report of 2022 said there are no reasons to believe AMOC will collapse this century, even though it is slowing down. The reason for it is the melting of the ice sheets. Global warming melts the ice and ads freshwater to the oceans along with extra heat which de-stabilizes the currents.

However since last year there have been 5 papers claiming AMOC collapse will happen in a few decades. The doomsday paper by James Hansen predicts a 4.8C climate sensitivity and AMOC collapse at some point between 2025 and 2100.

Now /r/climatechange discusses a new dutch paper but they're not having it.

The results are…very worrying to say the least. I will be far more worried if this get verified by other research or from other models. Plus I am naturally skeptical of studies that go straight to the popular press before going through peer review.

It has been identified in an earlier study from danish scientists too. One of the most disastrous tipping points one could think of !!

!physics and !chemistry, I have a question for you guys at academia. Not to discredit hardworking scientists :sciencejak: but just asking, how common is it for some soyentists to publish attention-seeking papers?

As I stated when someone else posted this article a few days ago, the AMOC Is collapsing currently.

If you don't have a plan for a way out by 2030, you're stupid. Plain and simple.

What's your plan for 2030 dramatards?

The earth has amazing coping mechanisms. An AMOC collapse that increase arctic ice and freezes the shit out of the northern hemisphere seems like the planet striking back to gain some balance. George Carlin put it well, "The planet will be fine, it's the people that are fricked"

:#soysnoo4:

Doomer redditors don't understand that AMOC collapse will not cool the planet, it will merely cause a regional cooling and redirect heat while the warming thread won't stop. Also, George Carlin quoters should be shot :#marseyshooting:

Unpublished research; not yet peer reviewed, anyone with the skills and time to do so isn't here, but in academia. Follow up with the research in a year or whatever. Could very likely be a mistake in his math. This is why we bother with falsifiability and institutional disconfirmation. One scientist makes a claim, everyone else in his peer group tries to find fault. If it isn't disproven, they may be on to something.

:#marseyhesright:

Honestly, I know this is a bad take but I'm just enjoying the years left that I can.

No kids, doing the shit I feel fulfilled by. Do what I can to affect positive change but... yeah. Convincing 8 billion other people with the culture war, identity politic, science down-playing, Christo fascist rhetroic is very hard. And I made an oath as a kid that we would sing at every assembly.