election shenanigans: Leaked plans reveal Tories don't rule out arresting teens who refuse national service 
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Leaked National Service plans don't rule out arresting teens for not taking part
Tory plans to bring back mandatory national service are in chaos after a leaked briefing paper suggested young people could be arrested for not taking part.
Rishi Sunak has announced that all 18-year-olds will be forced to take part in his proposed new programme. Young people would be given a choice between a full-time placement in the armed forces for 12 months or spending one weekend a month for a year "volunteering," in their community.
The Mirror has seen an internal Tory briefing paper on the policy that does not rule out arresting youngsters if they fail to take part.
In a Q&A section of the document, it asks: “Will you arrest people who don't comply?” The response is: “It is right that those who contribute to our system are duly rewarded, and those who refuse receive none of the benefits. The Royal Commission will explore an appropriate incentives regime.”
Ministers have attempted to quickly backtrack as the policy descended into shambles this morning. Home Secretary James Cleverly insisted 18-year-olds would not be sent to jail if they refused. Asked on Sky News whether the consequences of resisting the compulsory scheme could involve a prison term, he said: "No, there's going to be no criminal sanction. There's no one going to jail over this."
The Conservatives have said they would establish a Royal Commission bringing in expertise from across the military and civil society to establish the details of what they described as the "bold" national service programme. The party said this commission would be tasked with bringing forward a proposal for how to ensure the first pilot is open for applications in September 2025.
After that, it would seek to introduce a new "National Service Act" to make the measures compulsory by the end of the next Parliament, the party said. It estimates the programme will cost £2.5 billion a year by the end of the decade and plans to fund £1 billion through plans to "crack down on tax avoidance and evasion".
The remaining £1.5 billion will be paid for with money previously used for the UK Shared Prosperity Fund (UKSPF), which is a package to support charities and community groups, the Tories said.
The Prime Minister said: "This is a great country but generations of young people have not had the opportunities or experience they deserve and there are forces trying to divide our society in this increasingly uncertain world. I have a clear plan to address this and secure our future. I will bring in a new model of national service to create a shared sense of purpose among our young people and a renewed sense of pride in our country.
"This new, mandatory national service will provide life-changing opportunities for our young people, offering them the chance to learn real world skills, do new things and contribute to their community and our country."
Opposition critics have dismissed the plans as unserious. Labour pointed out that David Cameron introduced a similar scheme - the National Citizen Service - when he was prime minister. Lord Cameron's announcement had no military component to it, instead encouraging youngsters to take part in activities such as outdoor education-style courses as part of his "Big Society" initiative.
A Labour spokesman said: "This is not a plan - it's a review which could cost billions and is only needed because the Tories hollowed out the armed forces to their smallest size since Napoleon. Britain has had enough of the Conservatives, who are bankrupt of ideas, and have no plans to end 14 years of chaos. It's time to turn the page and rebuild Britain with Labour."
A party source mocked the plans, saying that under the Tories it would be “maths to 18 and then straight off to war”.
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lol. I did my military service 15 years ago, before that was my brother, before that my father, before that my grandfathers, before that my great grandfathers (who wasn't conscripted as a precaution for war, but for actual war). The British had a couple of decades of conscription after the war, and Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland all have had it for generations too. We all seem to have managed to make it work without sending our conscripts to do something or other related to Jews or whatever? Admit it, you're just a bit of a kitty and the idea of doing something for your country or community offends your selfish sensibilities, so it must all be totally bad and impossible.
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THANK YOU AND YOUR FELLOW MUTTS FOR SUPPORTING ZOG
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If you fought in the ME, you did that.
How am I a kitty for realizing the people who've become openly malicious towards their people in recent years are up to no good? Did you get all you shots and maintain 6 feet of distance these past few years? Maybe you even called the cops because somebody posted something racist on the internet.
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Conscripts from no western nation got sent to the Middle East or Afghanistan. You don't send conscripts abroad to fight unless it's an absolute last resort (as was the case during WWII), you mong. American worked that out during vietnam. All the nations I listed maintain conscripts as combat reserves for any conflict on the home front - I've personally trained only to fight in my own country and to a small extent across the borders with our allied neighbors, I have no desert, or jungle warfare knowhow and thus would not be useful in either theater.
And yeah I did get my shots, because I'm not a kitty, and intended to get on with life as fast as possible, which my vaccination enabled me to do.
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Well, these guys were already talking conscription for the Ukraine and even Israel, so why shouldn't I assume they're doing that? Multiple countries even talked about using military and reservists during COVID to restrict travel, to. Why would I trust them not to do the things they've been saying they need people for?
You sound like a Boomer telling someone how to get a job using advice from 40 years ago. Why do you trust these guys at this point not to do the harmful things they were already talking about?
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Why the heck would a nation send conscripts to go fight in Ukraine if it has professional, combat tested regulars to send instead? Also if you think anybody in the west is going to Israel to fight, you're deluded -the Jews have apparently supernatural powers of control over every aspect of life, but not even the super Jew could convince any western nation, even the US, to join in their little slapfight with Hamas/Iran, there's too much other stuff elsewhere to prepare for.
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They're one of those countries that wasted their resources arming the country, and fighting there is just a war of attrition. Why would you expect countries that would give aid till it hurts to be sensible about who they're sending over there?
Not only are foreigners already fighting the Houthis, but likely helped with the Iranian assassination recently, and they've been caught fighting in the Ukraine and Israel. If Israel has no control over foreigners, how are they getting assistance in their war already? The Western leaders are openly going on about all we need to do for them while ignoring our own countries issues.
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