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Miserere_Mei_Deus Jesus/loves/you :marseyimmaculate:  11mo ago (x.com) 882 thread views #230377

:marseyunhappymerchant: Lies :marseymanysuchcases:; Claims No Christians Present in Gaza, Justifies Slaughtering Children and :marseynun:

https://x.com/lbc/status/1737015437966086404

Church? There are no Churches in Gaza so I don't know where the report is talking about” “There are no Christians in Gaza….”. “Well I don't know… I didn't see the report, I don't know”.

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https://x.com/BaderRifat/status/1736837819589410891

Reminder to all you :marseywingcuck: :marseyhitlerjew: that they'd be happy to kill you too if you ever left the gooncave in your parent's basement.

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Neighbour mass starvation, burning and hurling diseased corpses into enemy cities is a tradition as old as time.

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Sorry didn't realize you were a different dude than the first guy I was arguing with. Are you a Christian? If so, do you support or oppose such tactics? Why?

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Also, if Christians had maintained your high "moral" standards, there would be no Christianity today. Which now that they've become less Christian, ironically they actually do sort of maintain these standards and now soon enough Europe might be Muslim.

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Christianity wins by subverting societies, not conquering them. We're supposed to work like people think the Jews do.

Prior to the modern state of Israel, Jews survived almost 2000 years without ever being a majority or wielding state power, and they don't even proselytize. I think we'd have survived.

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I think we'd have survived.

Yeah, you'd have "survived" like the Middle Eastern Christians of today. Were you very successful at subverting those societies or did you spend one and a half millennia being massacred, r*ped and extorted while dwindling from a n overwhelming majority to a tiny minority?

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Christianity obviously did not come to prominence in the Roman Empire by violently conquering it, and current historiography emphasizes the bottom-up aspect of its growth (ie. it did not "win" just because of a few converts who forced it on the masses by state power; growth rates were broadly stable over time).

The difficulties came after: can you remain just and righteous after "winning"? History suggests this is much harder.

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Christianity won against a decentralized "religion" in serious decline long before Christianity even existed. The Hellenistic world was in a serious crisis of faith and doesn't demand exclusivity, so Christianity could spread gradually through syncretism. And even then in some regions of the empire it only won by force. (Chiefly against the Jews and Samaritans.) Against modern monotheistic religions it doesn't have a good track record of success.

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Christianity's primary global competitor today is not Islam, but atheism or apathy. For a modern model of Christian growth, we can look to the church in China. I've had the fortune of meeting some Chinese Christians from outside the state's "approved" system. There's real energy there. I feel hopeful for the coming decades and centuries. It's good for the spiritual center of the church to move from time to time, and I accept that it's moving out of the West.

The West, meanwhile, is becoming a spiritually empty space. The question here is different. Can Christianity slowly convert a society that was once Christian but appeared to move "past" it? I think it's possible, but it can't come from the extant institutional churches. We can't be constantly chasing secular liberal trends, but we also can't be a performative larp for reactionary chuds. We need to be a primary source of meaning, not an auxiliary for some other cause. A turnaround can only take place over the arc of history. I hope that in my life we will begin to see it.

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Christianity's primary global competitor today is not Islam, but atheism or apathy.

I disagree, since atheism and apathy don't have a mission to conquer and subjugate Christianity. Right now, Christians are too powerful to be threatened by Muslims but in three generations when Muslims are the majority in France and Germany, they will be on the receiving end once again, together with atheists.

We need to be a primary source of meaning, not an auxiliary for some other cause.

The "meaning" of Christianity has always been adapted to the society and social order it found itself in or at least the society that was exporting it, so wouldn't the choice of which be arbitrary? Do you adopt an evangelical, Episcopalian, Maronite, Ethiopian Orthodox or Japanese Catholic value system to give you meaning? They're all very different obviously. Clearly you need to wed it to some compatible contemporary value system.

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I'm a secularcel. These tactics are inherently part of war. War is bad, yes. "Civilized wars" are by far the exception to the norm and sometimes happen between Europeans in small wars with limited stakes for the past ~300 years. Wars are still unfortunately necessary, such as when, just for example, the enemy does 12th century Mongol style raids on your civilian population.

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