Seething against the current woke overlords and their lack of empathy
https://old.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/18lnc7b/im_seeing_a_lot_of_angst_towards_dei_in_the
The Jewish capital of the south is suggeted to mass move into, certain Tikkun Olam libtards object
https://old.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/18klyn2/feels_like_miami_is_the_best_place_for_jews
Panic over the Amerimutt youth being literal CommuNazis
https://old.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/18k4cki/majority_of_americans_1824_think_israel_should_be
There are now frequent megathreads for Jewish 2A and self-defense tactics
https://old.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/18mu2gu/selfdefense_2nd_amendment_megathread
One of the letter jvdeans seethes at their woke friends throwing them down the drain
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Sure if you ignore the other extremely patriarchal elements I listed. Or women being only allowed in the cuck corner of the Western wall, not being allowed to be rabbis, having to sleep in another room when on their period and generally being supposed to sit quietly during basically every religious ceremony.
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Yes and the west is not a patriarchy because we have more male sewage workers and the west is not a matriarchy because we more more women getting r*ped.
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Are you even making an argument at this point?
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No because what you said is dumb.
Israel is a matrilineal society fact.
Nobody is actively putting down Israeli mothers fact.
Israeli mothers are famous for complaining to the high heavens to get what they want which is a behavior you wouldn't see in a patriarchy fact
Just because a matriarchy has some traits characteristic of a patriarchy doesn't make it less of a matriarchy.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Judaism-matriarchal-or-patriarchal
Weak source but it gets my point across
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No, only an element of it is. There are many patrilineal elements to Jewish society.
Yeah they complain to the person in charge, aka the patriarch.
It doesn't cause it's wrong. Even if it was purely matrilineal it wouldn't necessarily be matriarchal. Judaism is literally the OG patriarchal sand person religion. It codifies the laws of bronze age shithole goat herders, do you really think that was a matriarchal society???? The patriarchalness is one of the primary criticisms of it by secular Jews and the reformationist streams of Judaism.
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Befwore we cwontinyue this discussion.
Dwo u knyow the difference between matwilinyewl and matwiarchal?
Same enyergy.
Ewerything u said has the same enyergy as these peopwal are Christian, their bwook is thwousands of years owld, they must therefwore be savages stuck in thwousands of years owld pwactices withwout any changes in that tim period in hwow they live their life.
Then it shwould be wery easy two pwovide a swource.
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Orthodox Judaism has not significantly changed since a bit after the destruction of the second temple. The Jerusalem Talmud in 350 AD provides an upper bound for when Judaism already was chugging along and it probably was earlier.
https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2424&context=honorstheses
https://pluralism.org/feminism-and-judaism
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1525/si.1989.12.2.299
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isn't #metoo so recent it counts as external to every day culture and it lost steam even within the US after people realized women had a very very meaningless and low standard definition of harassment and sexual exploitation in some of these cases?
Second argument argues about Jewish religious practices being patriarchal to the extent of how Rabbis are only allowed to talk about certain things.
Third argument I only read the first page in which the only valid point appears to be women cannot initiate divorce. Which I agree is a patriarchal thing.
Then they go to protecting homosexual rights which is not patriarchal nor matriarchal.
As for acceptance of Single mothers isn't the fact that Jewish fathers children don't even count as jews but a mother's do whether single or married mean that single mothers are definitely valued more?
So you shared three articles from which I could only derive 2 good points at best.
I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying there is a good case for why I am right.
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They all talk about how Judaism is patriarchal as a given. You asked for a source on seculars and reforms complaining Orthodox Judaism is patriarchal. Unironically you clearly know nothing beyond the absolute surface level fun facts about Judaism, why not just accept that your made up schizo theory is wrong. I don't try to prove you wrong about Dalit culture.
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