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OneLunchMan 6mo ago#6381333
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There's gonna be a massive swing to the right in every country that has a substantial Muslim population, right around the time the recent immigrants' kids enter their late teens and start amping up the hustle and bustle.
>import thousands of Muslim immigrants to very progressive and secular countries
>think that they will become heckin valid cosmopolitan progressives in alegria DEI corporate art because they are wholesome BIPOC
>your country becomes more right-wing and reactionary because Muslims are extremely conservative and religious, and support conservative policies that do not go against their religion
>rightoids who were once the ones who wanted to kick Muslims out make an alliance with the Muslims, because they have very similar worldviews and do not tolerate genderspecial/LGBTQIAP2SBIPOC+ grifting
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BWC 6mo ago#6387002
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your country becomes more right-wing and reactionary because Muslims are extremely conservative and religious, and support conservative policies that do not go against their religion
They still vote Democrat in the US for the gibs and because they buy into the Democrat party rhetoric that the middle east wars were all the Republicans.
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Reminder that after almost 20 years of rule in Gaza, Hamas have not built a single bomb shelter or any civilian infrastructure, and dont allow civilians into the vast network of tunnels theyve build instead
Then Israel politicians can talk about how their neighbors want to kill them (truly), so the rightoid politicians get to be in power indefinitely and everybody wins! Hamas gets to stay in power, Bibi gets to stay in power, America gets to sell Arms and both sides get to cry about their deaths. It's a perfect system
PogPog/gers 6mo ago#6380845
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It seems difficult to condemn the attacks and also support the Palestinian side. The whole point is that Israel is pushing the Palestinians to the brink?
There's no moral argument on who is wrong here. Both sides want the same piece of land and one of them is going to take it eventually. There will never be peace there as long as both sides exist next to each other.
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Christmace 6mo ago#6381357
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That makes me wonder... wind the clock back to 1915, and imagine the Jews decide to go to, I dunno, Arizona instead. WW1 happens, Ottomans collapse, Palestinians (who at this point don't actually want a state but let's hypothesize) actually get the whole place to themselves.
How long until one of their bigger neighbors pulls a Russia and either puppets them or annexes them? Or better yet, how many of their neighbors would've done just that, exactly like they did in '48?
The point I'm making is Israel is the 3rd party. The 1st and 2nd parties are the Palestinians and their Arab "brothers" who'd sooner genocide them than the Jews would.
There wouldn't have been a Palestine, just an enlarged Jordan under Hashemite rule. They were originally supposed to get the entire middle east, but France, the Jews, and Wahabbiite jihadis fricked them out of the deal
A lot of the failure of the first Arab Israeli war came down to the other powers nervously eying the strength of even the turbocucked Hashemites in Jordan and refusing to coordinate because of that. Even still, in our own timeline Egypt and Syria made no moves to challenge Jordan, I don't see why an even stronger Jordan would make for a better target.
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Domnhall 6mo ago#6381050
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The moral argument is that the only solution is a strong competent gov in the westbank that can lead their own people, represent them globally, and get what they want. The main Palestinian gov in power is completely incompetent, the palestinians let tribalism run rampant in their authority systems and tolerate it, which spawned the power vacuum which generated Hamas.
As long as the best Palestinians can put forward is Fatah, which is useless and happily defers any responsibility by finger pointing at Israel, then they will perpetually lack their own proper state.
Israel won't accept another Iran right on their border this is what a strong, competent government would mean for now. Israel has the power to force its will the citizens of Palestine do not. Best solution is a Palestinian state with maximum independence whose security is administered by Israel
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dooky 6mo ago#6382359
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Israel needs to respect their sovereignty. They should be able to deal with Jewish settlers by force without fear of consequences. Relying on IDF for that isn't good enough IMO
Leftists seem to agree with this sentiment. They hand wave away a lot of the actual atrocities. I suppose there's a level of racism here, where they imply, “palestinians are just brutes they don't know no better”
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Pog 6mo ago#6381376
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I mean, is it really that surprising? They lionize Malcolm X and downplay MLK, whom they only acknowledge when they have to browbeat skeptical whites with the letter from a Birmingham jail. They're not progressives, they're violent anarchists.
They also allow a great deal of dismissal of how Palestinians treat some of their sacred cows on gender, race and sexuality. Any white person who did or said any of the regular Palestinian approach to these issues would be cancelled immediately and for as long as that information was reposted online. But Palestinians are getting a complete pass.
Honestly the Israelis need to broker a deal with the Saudis to put all the Palestinians in some camp out in the desert there where they can't do any harm. In fact, we have the perfect negotiator to ensure that the the camp will have great amenities and a world class golf course and hotel
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ackshually sweaty there's no proof these are good-faith protesters rather than bad-faith astroturfers sent by netanyahu to make palestinian supporters look like antisemitic r-slurs
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So is the destruction of Palestine
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So is the destruction of isnt real
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Yes, so whoever wins here by force is justified.
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These people make me legitimately sad for the future
Too many western progressives unironically support genocide and terrorism against themselves and many dont even realize it
Where will we be in 5, 10, 15 years?? IDK but its not looking pretty
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Hopefully we will be committing a real genocide once people realize what irredeemable subhumans palestinoids are
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Jews and Muslims deserve each other. No one else deserves to suffer you people. Enchilada we make the entire Middle East an open air prison!
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Enchilada, brother
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There's gonna be a massive swing to the right in every country that has a substantial Muslim population, right around the time the recent immigrants' kids enter their late teens and start amping up the hustle and bustle.
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!chuds
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That's... that's not why...
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They still vote Democrat in the US for the gibs and because they buy into the Democrat party rhetoric that the middle east wars were all the Republicans.
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you're being overly dramatic
it's nothing thousands of mass graves can't fix
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terrorist supporters get mad when you say terrorists are bad. no one could have seen this coming.
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It's not anti-Semitism. It's anti-Zionism. Anyway. Kill all Jews and death to America.
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we must stop genocide now! also, plaestine will be free by any means necessary! FROM RIVER TO SEA!!!
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Reminder that after almost 20 years of rule in Gaza, Hamas have not built a single bomb shelter or any civilian infrastructure, and dont allow civilians into the vast network of tunnels theyve build instead
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And in a twisted way it as worked out great for their PR
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Then Israel politicians can talk about how their neighbors want to kill them (truly), so the rightoid politicians get to be in power indefinitely and everybody wins! Hamas gets to stay in power, Bibi gets to stay in power, America gets to sell Arms and both sides get to cry about their deaths. It's a perfect system
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It seems difficult to condemn the attacks and also support the Palestinian side. The whole point is that Israel is pushing the Palestinians to the brink?
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Mentioning the attack at all is seen as a pro Israel talking point since the actions taken by Hamas are pretty hard to justify
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Lmao not for palitards
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!neolibs !anticommunists
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Ditto for the Palestinians
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Killing 20,000 Pally kids isn't pretty but what did you think decolonization was going to be a tea party?
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But then again, we are dealing with a literal terrorist state.
It's like your neighbor has a pit bull in the backyard but they get mad when it jumps the fence and mauls your infant.
you provoked it!
I guess that's true but also the animal is also just doing the exact thing we know it will do.
It's the same with hamas. They are just gonna do terrorist shit, I think the rest of the situation is largely irrelevant.
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There's no moral argument on who is wrong here. Both sides want the same piece of land and one of them is going to take it eventually. There will never be peace there as long as both sides exist next to each other.
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That's why we need a 3rd party to fix the situation
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That makes me wonder... wind the clock back to 1915, and imagine the Jews decide to go to, I dunno, Arizona instead. WW1 happens, Ottomans collapse, Palestinians (who at this point don't actually want a state but let's hypothesize) actually get the whole place to themselves.
How long until one of their bigger neighbors pulls a Russia and either puppets them or annexes them? Or better yet, how many of their neighbors would've done just that, exactly like they did in '48?
The point I'm making is Israel is the 3rd party. The 1st and 2nd parties are the Palestinians and their Arab "brothers" who'd sooner genocide them than the Jews would.
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If Jews didn't live there it'd be a Buc-ee's
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There wouldn't have been a Palestine, just an enlarged Jordan under Hashemite rule. They were originally supposed to get the entire middle east, but France, the Jews, and Wahabbiite jihadis fricked them out of the deal
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Even then, how long until Egypt and Syria say "mine"?
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A lot of the failure of the first Arab Israeli war came down to the other powers nervously eying the strength of even the turbocucked Hashemites in Jordan and refusing to coordinate because of that. Even still, in our own timeline Egypt and Syria made no moves to challenge Jordan, I don't see why an even stronger Jordan would make for a better target.
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This but bring back the Ottomans and let them handle it.
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Nah
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Outremer kingdoms?
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The moral argument is that the only solution is a strong competent gov in the westbank that can lead their own people, represent them globally, and get what they want. The main Palestinian gov in power is completely incompetent, the palestinians let tribalism run rampant in their authority systems and tolerate it, which spawned the power vacuum which generated Hamas.
As long as the best Palestinians can put forward is Fatah, which is useless and happily defers any responsibility by finger pointing at Israel, then they will perpetually lack their own proper state.
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by which you mean a dictator, [gestures vaguely at the Middle East]. And the point isn't to represent them, it's to keep the uppity jihadists in line.
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Israel won't accept another Iran right on their border this is what a strong, competent government would mean for now. Israel has the power to force its will the citizens of Palestine do not. Best solution is a Palestinian state with maximum independence whose security is administered by Israel
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Israel needs to respect their sovereignty. They should be able to deal with Jewish settlers by force without fear of consequences. Relying on IDF for that isn't good enough IMO
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There can be sovereignty but it won't be perfect and that's the best peace the region will get
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Got to stop the muzzie inclination for violence and the Jews inclination to be a really really annoying neighbour
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The fence separating it from the infant is the provocation too.
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Beheading babies is the language of the unheard
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Leftists seem to agree with this sentiment. They hand wave away a lot of the actual atrocities. I suppose there's a level of racism here, where they imply, “palestinians are just brutes they don't know no better”
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I mean, is it really that surprising? They lionize Malcolm X and downplay MLK, whom they only acknowledge when they have to browbeat skeptical whites with the letter from a Birmingham jail. They're not progressives, they're violent anarchists.
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They also allow a great deal of dismissal of how Palestinians treat some of their sacred cows on gender, race and sexuality. Any white person who did or said any of the regular Palestinian approach to these issues would be cancelled immediately and for as long as that information was reposted online. But Palestinians are getting a complete pass.
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RESISTANCE IS JUSTIFIED
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KILLING AND RAPING WOMEN IS WRONG!!!!
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Honestly the Israelis need to broker a deal with the Saudis to put all the Palestinians in some camp out in the desert there where they can't do any harm. In fact, we have the perfect negotiator to ensure that the the camp will have great amenities and a world class golf course and hotel
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i think if you support a cause, you shpuld support it all the way otherwise you are a strag
if you support israel, you should support carpet bombing gaza
if you support gaza, you should support holocaust 2
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carpet bombing gets me hard
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Death 2 fencesitters.
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I only follow the patriarchal aspects of Islam. Not the aspects that make you a cuck e.g. Abstaining from womanising, penetrating a sweet trap virgin butt and lowering your gaze.
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ackshually sweaty there's no proof these are good-faith protesters rather than bad-faith astroturfers sent by netanyahu to make palestinian supporters look like antisemitic r-slurs
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Someone shouted "what people"
Also he is fricking hot
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quick! post this to public freakout! i'm curious to see how quickly it gets mopped
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Israel funds Hamas
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Bancroft Ave!!
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