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The layoff threads always have a surprising amount of people thinking that PIP are anything but a tool to try to get an employee to quit before they get fired so they don't have the employment rates increase. If the company is biting the bullet and doing severance, there's no point doing a PIP.

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I don’t work in tech, but in my field I’m told PIPs are genuinely used when managers WANT to support an employee to perform better. You wouldn’t do it as a pre-step to termination because doing a PIP creates a paper trail that involves the union, and the union will fight any attempt to say the employee didn’t meet the improvement goals.

If they want to fire someone, they pointedly DONT support them or tell them how to improve and wait for them to do something fireable

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I've only seen people come back from a PIP when other managers begin bullying whoever gave out the PIP in the first place. They're mostly meant to build an ironclad paper trail to axe people. If your manager genuinely wants you to improve, he or she will tell you without involving HR.

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It’s rare, but some do comeback from pip’ed.

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I thought burgerstan had many “At will” states?

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The whole PIP process is just so much at any company.

Why should a manager work so hard to build an indictment against an underperformer? Just wait until the next round of layoffs or try to manage them off the team.

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Honestly if you ain’t dusting off the ole resume the second you get pipd you basically deserve to get fired

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