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>calculus is not needed for STEM

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Engineering was better before Newtons foul calculus.

Let's get back to just building trebuchets. Make Engineering Great Again.

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catapults are better

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Racist preconceptions that disregard black and brown bodies create this falsehood in minds of many.

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We ain’t ever making it to mars

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by "we" do you mean brown persons "educated" in government schools?

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if they only offered calculus at more schools of color, most bipox would pass calculus.

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You don't need to learn it in HS. You will need to learn it in college though, which is the point of the article.

The idea is that calculus as the capstone of secondary math education is a flawed concept, and while I disagree personally I think their argument isn't totally r-slurred. Most teens would be better off learning prob/stats, discrete math, or linear algebra. Honestly I think discrete math should be taught before calculus.

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Honestly some abstract reasoning could go a long way in improving math skills as well as boost critical thinking ability. Math in highschool is too often taught, here's the right way to do this. Don't deviate. Sure formulas and established knowledge is nice but you really need to let students explore and come up with some of the reasoning on their own.

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Yeah, how many kids who learn FOIL can actually multiply polynomials? I remember it being a big problem where other students were like "how do I foil this if there's more than two?!?"

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Don't even get me started. Foil is so r-slurred when you have the perfectly wonderful distributive property.

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God I haven't thought about FOIL since highschool. I feel so dumb no longer being able to do my AP math problems.

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MFs acting like they never heard of lattice multiplication

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I think the basic proofs content (understanding quantifiers, induction etc) that typically gets shoved into intro discrete math or freshman math major courses should be a required part of the high school curriculum for "advanced-track" students. Passing AP calculus should involve actually proving some theorems.

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probability and stats before calculus is very stupid because there's no way to explain anything related to a continuous probability distribution without the student knowing what integration is at bare minimum, unless the extent of the course is "here's the buttons you need to press on your calculator/R/etc to do a t-test"

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Yeah but most high schoolers don't even go on to calc. Because they're dumb.

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Ok, but we aren't talking about the dumb ones, we're talking about the advanced students that are trying to look good on applications to universities. There's no point teaching them r-slur-level stats when they'll just be forced to take real stats in college anyways, because most or all stem degrees have calc-based stats requirements. Better to let them skip part of the university calculus sequence.

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My HS had a course called PDM which was a combo of probability + discreet before you could take Calc.

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Sounds useful.

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discrete math, or linear algebra

Uh don't most people find discrete math and linear algebra to be harder than intro calculus?

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If they're r-slurred? Discrete math is super easy, and linear algebra isn't much harder.

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Linear algebra is harder than Cal 1. But that's not saying much. Cal 1 was a breeze.

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If discrete math and linear algebra are super easy then how the frick is basic calc too hard for advanced high school students?

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Kids are dum

Also the point is they just learn equations, and not the deeper concepts because high school teachers are bad. So it hurts them later, because they never really learned what they were supposed to.

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gpt4 can pass ap calc now, just ask chatgpt to do integrals

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