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Not taking calculus back in high school is my biggest regret. Not a burger btw.
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your biggest regret is not taking a math class?
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I keep saying it; 10-20 years, don't get on a plane. Shit is going to falling from the sky, our water purification plants are going to break down and our electrical grid is going to brownout.
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You're so close to seeing the truth
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(((Bill and Melinda Gates)))
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I'd be excited for more variety in math curricula: discrete math, proof systems, applied and theoretical statistics, category theory, etc. There's the obvious shitlibbery in the article , but big data has made statistics and linear algebra incredibly profitable to learn, and strong logical backgrounds are great for programming, which would be incredibly useful for low-income schools. I get we're supposed to be west-has-fallen chud circlejerking, but this is a good thing IMHO.
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Ah yes, the teachercels that could barely pass Calc 1 themselves should be teaching category theory with applications to algebraic topology.
Rather than turn high school into a PhD level math sequence, teachers should just put more emphasis on rigorous intuition and proofs. Rather than state the quadratic theorem or chain rule, give proofs. Double the triangle to show the Pythagorean theorem. Even this is a pipedream though, as I doubt more than 1 pct of math teachers even know what the contrapositive of a statement is.
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I like the idea of making linear algebra the highschool weedout course.
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further proof that rich people are smart and poor people are stupid and thats why the rich are rich and the poor are poor
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Careful there. If the kid learn stats, they'll figure out everything on the news is BS even quicker.
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Honestly this just creates a bigger divide in education and pretty much makes it so anyone w/o ambitious and educated parents is fricked.
Parents who want their kids on an upward trajectory and have the means will put their kids in tutoring or teach higher level math and science themselves.
This morning, Cum went to the park. I went with Coom. And Cum brought Coomer frisbee. At least I think it was Coomers. By the end of the day, Cum started throwing the frisbee to Cumself.
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parents who care don't need money for their children to learn
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Wtf I love calculus now
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It's so over for Burgerland. Just let China take everything over already.
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It'll happen as soon as China, India, etc understand that the only flaw in their system is that the students know all the math from rigorous rote memorization but they haven't been taught to contemplate its applications. It is the exact same problem Feynman observed in Brazil in the 1950s
https://enlightenedidiot.net/random/feynman-on-brazilian-education-system/
After that the only remaining advantage burgerland has is its financial power which will also wither away as China and India both continue to grow richer
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Snapshots:
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Calculus is literally easier than Algebra. Low IQ cute twinks just get scared by all the symbols even though it takes five minutes to understand they're simple notation.
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Algebra is fun though. Almost every level of Calc was just obnoxious imo. Until it's actually applied in comp sci, I can understand students thinking it is unnecessary.
Stats really is a better alternative, unless you plan on being a code monkey.
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we can't teach statistics to children, how would we lie with statistics in the popular press if people knew stats?
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We have unironic neighbors in this thread arguing that diff eq and linear algebra should be taught before calc 101.
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If you cannot understand at least single independent variable calculus as an adult male I have no respect for you
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I do agree that statistics should be a required high school class.
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Calc is necessary for much of stats
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Not if they are fine with blindly memorizing formulae. (They will do this anyway)
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I mean they arent wrong in stating calculus isn't needed for a lot of college degrees and careers. Basic statistics is more important for a lot of people
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Basic calculus sequence is required for every STEM degree at my university.
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Yeah most of the dramatards in here don't seem to understand what's being proposed at all. Also they don't seem to understand higher level math.
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How the frick is basic calculus not needed in STEM? Even statistics that goes beyond intro level concepts needs an understanding of calc.
Dumbass contrarian take.
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It's not that it's not needed, it's that it shouldn't necessarily be the end goal for the standard high school student.
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The irony is i heard the other forms of maths and tests will also have the same results be it racism or people not retaining it or whatever
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The point is that if there's no calculus then you can put the smart kids in with the dumb disruptive criminals. The point is to eliminate the gap in performance, not magically make kids smart.
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The thing thats funny is that the easier thing to do would be more apprenticeships and less college requirements for jobs. Instead whats going to happen is sure you dont need calculus technically but your application is getting thrown out either way if you dont have it. So its a way of maintaining the status quo and keeping people out of the upper classes but in a woke way
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Yes, exactly. Achievement tests and advanced classes are the best way for poor smart kids to move up in the world. Why would anyone want their rich kids to have to compete with poor motivated kids?
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Equity is a good thing, sweaty
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In other words, it is serving its gatekeeping role perfectly so the equity commissars want it removed so that nobody has upward mobility. Integrals and derivatives aren't even difficult, this is just already-low education standards searching for a deeper rock bottom
Also smh at STEMcels in this thread who "never use calculus", it's about more than just mindlessly performing integrals and derivatives, it's about understanding how all the math and physics you use were derived in the first place. You didn't get to where you are without doing the physics 101 calculus around things like Maxwell's equations
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I dropped out of physics so I've had to just imagine how calculus applies to the real world. It's been fun!
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only 5% of people or less should go university not like 50% like the west is trying for.
Outside that percentage they are just not smart enough to get any value
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Prolonged adolescence is deliberately manufactured to prevent the younger generation from having time o overthrow the status quo.
College is a tool of social compliance, simple as.
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it's odd how little this dynamic is discussed. most people will gladly castrate their own children, metaphorically, if the prospect of their independence is threatening in any way
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I think a lot of the want to exclude folks from school comes from unrealized pride. Folks want to extract prestige from a 4 year degree when they can’t extract prestige from their particular institution.
I don’t really give a frick if Tyrone gets a masters from state school if I went to Harvard.
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I agree but it will never happen because more students= more money. That's where all the push of getting more kids/women/blacks into science comes from, and why after getting BSc they will beg you to stay for master's and PhD afterwards, and why PhD candidates are forced to do a certain amount of hours of teaching for free in order to get their diploma, and even then it doesn't stop because they will ask you to stay with them and do research at their institution which will bring in grants, resulting in a bunch of overqualified, indebted people that will be unable to find a job that properly values their skills
I fricking hate what academia has become
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ISHYGDDT
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Imagine having to pay for your PhD
STEM chads stay winning
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This but unironically. Drama sneeds all day about how dumb people can just work trades or whatever so which is it
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Dumb burgers can frick off from trades, that's pureblood Mex land.
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Spaniards larping as natives yawn call me back when true pure Azteca are actually working crews instead of mixed race Guatemalans
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Precisely why calculus is a good barrier of entry
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this tbh
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Also you don't need to memorize complex integrals, but it's important in life to have a basic understanding of a derivative and a integral.
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Wrong. Solve this you piece of doodoo
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50/50 odds it's Pi.
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gpt4 can pass ap calc now, just ask chatgpt to do integrals
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Engineering was better before Newtons foul calculus.
Let's get back to just building trebuchets. Make Engineering Great Again.
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catapults are better
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You don't need to learn it in HS. You will need to learn it in college though, which is the point of the article.
The idea is that calculus as the capstone of secondary math education is a flawed concept, and while I disagree personally I think their argument isn't totally r-slurred. Most teens would be better off learning prob/stats, discrete math, or linear algebra. Honestly I think discrete math should be taught before calculus.
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Uh don't most people find discrete math and linear algebra to be harder than intro calculus?
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If they're r-slurred? Discrete math is super easy, and linear algebra isn't much harder.
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If discrete math and linear algebra are super easy then how the frick is basic calc too hard for advanced high school students?
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Kids are dum
Also the point is they just learn equations, and not the deeper concepts because high school teachers are bad. So it hurts them later, because they never really learned what they were supposed to.
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Linear algebra is harder than Cal 1. But that's not saying much. Cal 1 was a breeze.
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My HS had a course called PDM which was a combo of probability + discreet before you could take Calc.
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Sounds useful.
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probability and stats before calculus is very stupid because there's no way to explain anything related to a continuous probability distribution without the student knowing what integration is at bare minimum, unless the extent of the course is "here's the buttons you need to press on your calculator/R/etc to do a t-test"
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Yeah but most high schoolers don't even go on to calc. Because they're dumb.
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Ok, but we aren't talking about the dumb ones, we're talking about the advanced students that are trying to look good on applications to universities. There's no point teaching them r-slur-level stats when they'll just be forced to take real stats in college anyways, because most or all stem degrees have calc-based stats requirements. Better to let them skip part of the university calculus sequence.
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Honestly some abstract reasoning could go a long way in improving math skills as well as boost critical thinking ability. Math in highschool is too often taught, here's the right way to do this. Don't deviate. Sure formulas and established knowledge is nice but you really need to let students explore and come up with some of the reasoning on their own.
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I think the basic proofs content (understanding quantifiers, induction etc) that typically gets shoved into intro discrete math or freshman math major courses should be a required part of the high school curriculum for "advanced-track" students. Passing AP calculus should involve actually proving some theorems.
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Yeah, how many kids who learn FOIL can actually multiply polynomials? I remember it being a big problem where other students were like "how do I foil this if there's more than two?!?"
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God I haven't thought about FOIL since highschool. I feel so dumb no longer being able to do my AP math problems.
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MFs acting like they never heard of lattice multiplication
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Don't even get me started. Foil is so r-slurred when you have the perfectly wonderful distributive property.
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Racist preconceptions that disregard black and brown bodies create this falsehood in minds of many.
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if they only offered calculus at more schools of color, most bipox would pass calculus.
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We ain’t ever making it to mars
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by "we" do you mean brown persons "educated" in government schools?
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