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Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts - who is to blame?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35915492

Who is to blame? The car maker that decided to have 1940s level of security and that you can steal a car with a screw driver, or the city of Baltimore?

That is for American politics to figure out. This is an American political issue and blaming Korean car makers is absurd.

Once you’ve had a gun pointed at you from a car, taken down the license plate, then been told there’s nothing they can do because the car was stolen —- you’ll realize that car theft isn’t some individual problem. We’ve had the tech to solve this problem for decades, but car manufacturers decided to save a few bucks.

The tech to make it impossible to start a car without the owner's consent, even when the attacker has hardware access? Are you also selling magic beans and snake oil?

Magic beans :marseybeandrool:

The easy accessibility of guns in America is not the fault of Korean car manufacturers either. What you describe is not something that people in most developed countries have to worry about.

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I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

The problem area seems to be property crime without direct violence.

It can ruin the victims life just as much as non-lethal violence (taking away a person's source of income, or transport required to keep a job, or wrecking a business they've spent many years building), but many take the 'it's only property, it's probably insured!' attitude. :marseysoylentgrin:

And many at least see stealing from 'big nasty corporations' as relatively OK:marseyrevolution:. But if people keep stealing from businesses until they close down or relocate and there's no easy shoplifting targets, will the thieves stop, or will they move on to stealing from homes?

"it's only property, it's probably insured!"

People who say this don't have real jobs; not the type of jobs where they'll end up on pain killers when they retire. They have laptop jobs on the softer side of intellectual rigor.

>People who say this don't have real jobs

Implying the people who say this have jobs at all :marseyantiwork::marseyantiwork2:

Money is time traded from your life, health traded from your body to your employer. Stealing property is literally stealing the purpose of hours of grueling work.

Not an issue for the :marseyneet:


'it's only property, it's probably insured!'

I wonder why insurance is so high...

O why there are food deserts when stores continue to get robbed without any meaningful repercussions for the thieves

:marseynooticeglow::marseyshutitdown:

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Why does literally everybody say this when it's such meaningless pedantry?

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16839516287518027.webp

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its also wrong lol there's plenty of people in jail serving sentences, not everyone is sent to prison

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Weird that a car maker would drag their feet on making their cars less stealable.

These charts are the google trends for the phrase "Kia Boys"

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16839499116392155.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/16839499119788938.webp

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It was cost cutting to take out immobilizers, something common place on cars from the 90s onward. These peice of shit Kia/Hyundais really went bottom of the barrel to save a few bucks

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And a lot of people buy them at that price. Not everyone demands up-the-butt security, insurance will cover it, and they're willing to take the risk. The malding non-Kia owners and "gibs me dat" Kia owners scream for more regulation without regard for consumer choice.

:#marseymanysuchcases:

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This. It's not like Motherlovers don't have the internet

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Maybe blame the people stealing the cars. Does anyone mald when bikes are easy to steal?

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  • Manufacturers make cars easy to steal

  • Cars get stolen

  • Complaints

  • Manufacturers make them harder to steal

  • Carjackers have to go after cars while their owners are in them

  • Violence

  • Complaints

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Because when a moderation team makes a decision to permit one of their own to break rules, troll the users, make the sub look bad, and above all, attract a very destructive brand of user from a very chaotic sub, it speaks to a moderation team that no longer cares about the sub or the wishes of the users in it. Look at all those /r/drama buttholes in this thread.

Everyone of these has been downmarseyd. Everyone has been filled with comments deriding them and asking for the mods to stop permitting this shit. They have ignored those. Likely brushing it off as "not a big deal".

What it really shows is they're letting their friend get off on his little hoppy of bringing attention to himself, not unlike a child, and they're definitely sitting in their groomercord laughing at the users bothered by it. Otherwise they'd do the reasonable thing and stop it.

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