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:marseyraging: More seething LW lemmings as the admins make an announcement about the removal of piracy communities :!marseypirate2:

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363?scrollToComments=true

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Chadmins are also banning everyone for saying they're leaving

What surprises me is that people think making a community specifically for illegal activity isn't a problem, and that they should only be called on their behaviour when a copyright holder notices them. There are plenty of places to go for piracy online, so what's the need to add a community for it here? Or are you people claiming a piracy community wasn't primarily intended for piracy?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426956

Time to host my own instance. I disagree with this move.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2429393

The people whining are not the people that could face multimillion-dollar lawsuits over the issue. Like it or not, media companies are powerful and will go after websites seen as promoting piracy. Do what you reasonably have to do.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426973

Oh no. Wtf. Do you know what's funny? I actually joined this instance from piracy subreddit.

I guess it's time to leave. :marseylaughpoundfist:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2425186

I don't think this was the right call. Don't have it hosted on here, fine. But defederated? I don't see how being federated would be an issue at all. Oh well guess i got to actively go seek them out now.

At this rate, you might as well as defederate from all instances. Cant be too careful.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427348

Bootlicker [-8]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427940

These communities are not even hosted on lemmy.world, this is an absurdly overreacted response. There were no signs of any legal trouble and I can't understand how lemmy.world specifically would be the target of such legal action. If you want to host an instance, you should do everything in your power to allow discussions on any topic, while in necessary cases disallowing direct posting/linking of illegal content. Instead, you chose to block a community that has long been known to avoid having any trouble with the moderators. :soycry:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

Doesn't matter if they are hosted here or not. The way federation works is that threads on different instances are cached locally.

We have NO issues with the people at db0 - we are just looking out for ourselves in a ‘better safe than sorry' fashion while we find out more. As mentioned in the OP we would like to unblock as soon as we know we can not get in any legal trouble. [chadmins]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

What the absolute heck? What makes this place so good is that there's not people making idiot decisions at the top. This is an idiot decision. Plus side of the fediverse is vanishing.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424687

Uh, @[email protected] … what's up with the banning going on in this thread? I noticed on a.lemmy.org that someone was labeled “banned” and their comment was simply “Ight, I'm out”

The mod note was “Let us help you”.

There are more similarly weak (spiteful?) bans that certainly don't seem to be at a standard for a ban. “Litterally 1984” was another one. Is that all it takes to be banned here?

Edit: Many (all?) the users I referenced as banned are now unbanned from the site, but now banned from this community. :marseyban:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422473

Please make announcements on lemmy instead of exclusively on groomercord moving forward. That is the biggest issue here, the lack of public transparency. Such a decision affects all instances, not just lemmy.world and making it publicly known is important :marseygroomer:

This was a misunderstanding from one of the team members. It has since been discussed and will not happen again. Lemmy.World and this announcement community is our primary platform, [chadmin]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421280

And once again we have people thinking that the instance owners would have to discuss everything they want to do with them and get the approval of everyone. It's already great that they're making announcements instead of doing it silently until people notice on their own. Plus, it's not hard to make an account elsewhere if you don't like it here. I doubt you're restricted to this single instance.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424187

Ight, I'm out

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421940

Surely there is a discussion to be had around what is and isn't allowed, there are plenty of subreddits discussing piracy without dolirect links that are playing within the rules.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420730

fricking heck, its time to leave lemmy.world, you are no better than reddit :marseysnoo:

Says the redditor

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422227

What is the legal theory being used here?

People chatting about piracy is now a crime in US? I thought the crime was uploading or downloading copyrighted content…

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421667

Lovely this happened because someone complained after being banned from the piracy instance for being a transphobic butthole. :marseytransplushie3:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421151

Yea, I'm leaving. Not as a protest, I just want access to something without caring if devs like it or not.

All hail Piracy!

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421558

Well said! I think the entire LW community would prefer a heads up for major actions. It's understandable that piracy could lead to liability issues which none of us want. Thanks for giving us a run down.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420912

Is it a liability when the discussion happened outside of lemmy.world?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421575

Deleting lemmy now I guess as well [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424715

Wtf? I'm leaving.

Is there a way to migrate a community? [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2428100

I'm sure this comment will receive plenty of hate, but I'm really struggling to understand why piracy seems to get so staunchly defended by seemingly everyone here. Piracy is stealing. It is morally wrong. We can argue all day about how it's a ‘victimless crime' or how media conglomerates are greedy and deserve it, but at the end of the day there's nothing that makes it ‘right'. With maybe a few exceptions, no one needs the things they're pirating and it's just childish to refuse to pay for content and go on pretending it's a necessity. What needs to happen is more money going to the creators whose content we all enjoy so much.

There's plenty of places to go where you can still interact with these communities, and we shouldn't be surprised that a large and general instance wants to be distant from them. Personally I applaud the decision. [-6]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426834

Literally 1984 [-14] :marsey1984:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421877

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I'm sure this comment will receive plenty of hate, but I'm really struggling to understand why piracy seems to get so staunchly defended by seemingly everyone here. Piracy is stealing. It is morally wrong. We can argue all day about how it's a ‘victimless crime' or how media conglomerates are greedy and deserve it, but at the end of the day there's nothing that makes it ‘right'. With maybe a few exceptions, no one needs the things they're pirating and it's just childish to refuse to pay for content and go on pretending it's a necessity. What needs to happen is more money going to the creators whose content we all enjoy so much.

Look I just :marseyfinger: stole :!marseyfinger: his comment via copying it. COINTEL STRAGS OUT :marseyraging:

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piracy is morally on the same level as shop lifting

prove me wrong, you cant :marseywink:

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Shoplifting is wrong because poor people do it and poor people are too stupid to torrent stuff

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Accepting the definition of software “piracy” is arguing on a copyright cucks terms. It is simply impossible to “steal” a digital object. They are effectively a post-scarcity item and can be replicated with any material loss from the creator.


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It is simply impossible to “steal” a digital object. They are effectively a post-scarcity item and can be replicated with any material loss from the creator.

i agree, we should stop paying software devs :marseyagreesuperspeed:

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If you stop paying us we'll do even less work


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Is that even possible?

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Paying for the creation of a digital item is different than paying for the copying or being penalized for the sharing of said item.


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but if the only thing you create are digital objects, not paying you isn't stealing since you can't steal digital objects according to you

and why would anyone pay for the creation of something if they can't stop it from being copied?

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:marseyhmmm#:

In your example of programmers, you use code for a goal.

You're not paying for source code you're paying for a job being completed, code is simply the mechanism.


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you're not paying for food, you're paying to not be hungry, food is simply the mechanism :marseysmoothbrain:

!dramatards

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you're not groking the different between source code, can be copied effectively infinitely for near zero cost, and food which is gone when consumed? This is the fundamental difference of digital items.


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they're clearly overpaid

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95% of software devs should be wageslaving, so I agree.

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I remember when Napster was a thing and the whole Metallica peepee measuring contest was happening, every day on Slashdot there were dozens of articles and the top comments all had this r-slurred mental gymnastics that "proved" that erm actually, piracy is morally good. Complete with r-slurred anecdotes like "I would never buy a Ben Harper CD but I stole his music and I liked it so I went to see him in concert, therefore piracy is good and it helps the artist who is being exploited by their record company."

It was all so dumb and unbearable. I was just like, "That's cool, I pirate because I don't have a lot of money and I want the stuff." Incidentally most of the music I pirated I've seen gone back and purchased over the last 10-15 years as I now identify as a Person of Money.

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That's cool, I pirate because I don't have a lot of money and I want the stuff.

I'm not even broke, I just don't wanna pay.

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making a perfect copy of something and leaving the original in the hands of its owner is the same as taking the original.

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Shoplifting means taking a good that costs money to replace and cannot be endlessly replicated. Digital shit isn't real and can be replicated endlessly. It's still not a good justification, but it's not the same level of bad as shoplifting.

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Noooo my cooontent

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definitely a WGA shill who wants voice actors to have jobs :marseypuke:

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If there's any group of people who deserve to be unemployed forever, it's voice actors who are active on Twitter.

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