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Sam Bankman-Fried is going to talk himself right into jail :marseypop2!:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/26/23934195/sam-bankman-fried-self-testimony-deleted-signal

Sam Bankman-Fried is so fricked.

I have come to court every day since opening arguments thinking, Surely things cannot get worse for this manSurely we have reached the bottom. Unfortunately, there is no bottom --- in the prosecution's telling, FTX and Alameda Research, his exchange and trading company, were matryoshka dolls of crime. Today, the defense started its case, which should theoretically present Bankman-Fried in a better light. But if what I saw of him on the stand is any indication, he may be more darning for himself than any of the prosecution's witnesses.

Whatever Bankman-Fried can't pin on Alameda CEO Caroline Ellison, he is essentially trying to off-load onto FTX lawyer Dan Friedberg. But blaming your lawyers for your decisions often implicates stuff --- conversations, communications, documents --- that are sometimes covered by attorney-client privilege. (If you blow up your own attorney-client privilege, it's much worse for you than it is for anyone else, which is why most adults blame their own lawyers only under extreme circumstances.) The defense appears to be trying to thread the needle by saying that Bankman-Fried believed everything at FTX was fine because lawyers had been involved.

So today the jury got to go home early while the judge conducted an odd evidentiary hearing to figure out exactly what Bankman-Fried wants to tell the jury --- and how much of it going to be admissible.

Bankman-Fried took the stand as part of this hearing. This meant that prosecutor Danielle Sassoon got a crack at him, and boy howdy, she beat him like a piñata.

We've heard a lot of testimony in this trial about disappearing messages on Signal, which the prosecution has strongly implied are evidence of wrongdoing. I don't believe this to be true! Plenty of businesses destroy documents as a matter of course, for a wide variety of reasons, many of them harmless.

The defense is seeking to testify that the disappearing text messages were part of a document retention policy which had been approved by FTX general counsel Friedberg. Though Bankman-Fried has testified that important business records were retained, the defense has been unable to produce the actual document retention policy, though they say it exists.

We saw a document that cataloged all 288 Signal chat rooms set to auto-delete that Bankman-Fried was in. Some of those chats contained lawyers. Bankman-Fried said that Slack messages were more official than Signal messages, though informal conversations about serious matters did take place in chats that disappeared. In rambling testimony that I have heroically condensed, Bankman-Fried noted that some sensitive business records relating to know-your-customer laws needed to be deleted for customer safety --- photos of passports, for instance, or social security numbers. He then added that in November 2022, in response to the concerns of regulators, he turned the auto-delete feature off on most of his chats.

Defense lawyer Mark Cohen did his best. Unfortunately for him, the cross-examination was conducted by Sassoon, who looks like someone who uses "summer" as a verb, and often appears deceptively timid, with her hands held close to her chest. In her cross, she simply unhinged her jaw and ate Bankman-Fried.

She asked him when he had specifically discussed the auto-deletion of messages with his lawyers, leading to a very long pause, the first of many. Bankman-Fried said he thought that was shortly after he started using Signal, around the spring of 2021. "I mentioned it" to them, he said. Sassoon asked if he had sought approval, and Bankman-Fried said he didn't know that he sought approval, exactly. It was a jumble of word-salad. It was --- well, see:

So I remember --- my memory of the policy is that it laid out various circumstances in which it was not permissible to do so or in which there needed to be a lengthy retention period for company communications, and that outside of those sets of topics or forums, there was permissibility to have effectively whatever data-retention link or setting felt appropriate.

Sassoon was about to ask another question when the judge broke in. "What does it mean, there was permissibility about that?" Kaplan asked. "Does it mean you could do whatever you wanted?"

Yes. That was exactly what it meant.

Bankman-Fried, who swayed back and forth during the cross-examination, had said earlier that Slack was for formal communications. But Caroline Ellison had testified that she sent him the seven prospective fake balance sheets over Signal. Was that a formal document, Sassoon wanted to know. It was a draft, and thus not formal, Bankman-Fried replied. What specific conversations with his lawyers led him to that conclusion, Sassoon wanted to know. Bankman-Fried couldn't really answer.

Earlier in the trial, we had seen a memo about shutting down Alameda Research, and Gary Wang, another alleged co-conspirator, had testified that he'd said that was impossible because of all the money Alameda owed FTX customers. "I don't specifically recall such conversations" about the $11 billion hole in the balance sheet, Bankman-Fried said. What about Adam Yedidia's testimony that Bankman-Fried told him that Signal messages autodeleted because keeping them was "all downside?" Bankman-Fried didn't recall that either.

Bankman-Fried's defense, in the direct testimony, was trying to put blame on the lawyers: FTX chief regulatory officer Dan Friedberg, for instance, or Can Sun, another FTX lawyer, who drafted the terms and conditions. A significant thrust of questions was about a bank account controlled by Alameda Research that did not bear Alameda's name; it was instead called North Dimension, it came into existence around 2020 --- that is, while Bankman-Fried was still Alameda's CEO --- and it was where FTX customers were told to wire their funds.

Bankman-Fried said that the North Dimension bank account was all Friedberg's idea. Sassoon asked if Bankman-Fried, as Friedberg's boss, had given him any direction, or if Friedberg just popped ideas across Bankman-Fried's desk. The word-salad began again, interrupted only by the judge saying things like "So I take it the answer is you don't remember; is that about it?" or "Listen to the question and answer the question directly." It was like watching someone get run over by a very slow-moving steam roller.

Neither of Bankman-Fried's parents seemed to be enjoying this. Michael Lewis, whose most recent book, Going Infinite, is a portrait of Bankman-Fried, was in the courtroom for the first time. I really enjoyed his book, by the way! Though the reporting in Going Infinite suggests that Bankman-Fried is an unrestrained sociopath, Lewis's general attitude toward Bankman-Fried may be best summed up as "I love my g*mer son." In the courtroom, Lewis looked pretty bummed, occasionally shaking his head.

Sassoon brought out the terms of service Bankman-Fried had testified to and asked him to point out where in the agreement it specified that FTX was permitted to spend customer funds. The court sat in absolute silence for more than a minute. You could have heard a mouse fart. Finally, Bankman-Fried said, "I am not a lawyer" and definitely said a lot of words, none of which made much sense. Sasson asked the same question again, drawing an objection from Cohen, which Kaplan overruled --- because Bankman-Fried had not answered her question. The line Bankman-Fried eventually pointed to was that funds were "held and / or transferred by provider."

His parents looked even more unhappy.

Did Bankman-Fried know that Alameda's account was exempt from liquidation? Bankman-Fried's eyes darted around the room, before saying that he wasn't aware of the "allow_negative" code by name. What was he aware of? That there were "some speedbumps" in place. We then went through an exhaustive routine of Sassoon asking what he meant by "speedbumps" and Bankman-Fried not answering, and then Sassoon asking again. As this was happening, Lewis slumped over, folding his arms over the wooden bench in front of him, his head down.

Kaplan wasn't amused by any of this. "The witness has an interesting way of responding to questions," he noted. Kaplan then told Bankman-Fried that he had been asked a number of times whether he knew that Alameda was allowed to have a negative balance on FTX, and he hadn't adequately responded.

Then Sassoon did what I had been waiting for: pointed out that Bankman-Fried had been the one who hired Friedberg in 2020. She asked if he'd been hesitant to hire a general counsel. He said he had been hesitant to hire the wrong general counsel --- "I did want a general counsel who was comfortable with reasonable risks." Sassoon then asked if Bankman-Fried was aware of Friedberg's history of working at a company that had an insider trading scandal? (The company in question, by the way, is UltimateBet.) That there had been a criminal scandal? "Were you aware that Dan Friedberg used illegal narcotics with your employees?" Cohen objected to the last two questions; only the one about drugs got sustained.

After that, Sassoon sat down, and Kaplan said he would make his decision tomorrow morning. Barbara Fried, the defendant's mother, sat with her head in her hands as the judge talked with the prosecution and the defense.

Look, if what I saw today was a taste of what Bankman-Fried has to expect on the cross-exam in front of the jury, he's cooked. He was obviously evading questions, trying to pour forth verbiage to distract Sassoon from what she'd asked. It didn't work. And as she asked the same questions over and over, he looked worse and worse, trying to wriggle out from answering them. This is to say nothing of the long, repeated sections of "I don't recall." Unless he pulls out of testifying, the jury is in for a once-in-a-lifetime shitshow.

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Yeah, this sounds about as disastrous as I expected. Were I his lawyers, I'd have tried everything to avoid putting him on the stand, because the guy cannot shut up and every time he opens his mouth, he just digs the hole deeper.

I genuinely think he didn't go into Alameda/FTX intending to be a crook or to embezzle, I think he's a very smart idiot. He was in a little bubble of mutual ego-stroking where everyone was mathy, nerdy kids with good liberal upbringing who wanted to Do Good by being smart, mathy, nerds. Will MacAskill should be changing his name and hopping on a plane to Bolivia, because he was Bankman-Fried's guru and encouraged and pushed him to be the EA type who made a fortune trading and then gave it all to charity.

Bankman-Fried got lucky with One Weird Trick and made a fortune, but he couldn't recognise that this was just a fluke. He really believed he was that smart, and he had hired on all the Bay Area rationalist EA bubble types and they lived in one big clump like they were still college dorm mates. It was nothing like any kind of business set-up because they were all too smart and too advanced for that kind of boring old dull normie shit. So they really did play around with millions of dollars like it was monopoly money, and when the One Weird Trick stopped working, his ego and his position, where he'd worked his way into being the EA crypto wunderkind who was throwing millions at good causes (and political lobbying, and spoils for the family) wouldn't let him admit that he wasn't a miracle worker.

So like a lot of gamblers and get rich quick schemers before him, he thought that he could win it all back by plunging even deeper. It was okay to use FTX money for Alameda, and Alameda money for FTX, because he was gonna make it all back and even more. So it wasn't stealing or embezzling, just borrowing for a short time until the huge wins came in.

Right up to the day it all collapsed around him, and even after, he was insisting if they just let him alone and gave him more time, he'd get it all back.

His parents indulged him way too much, but as law professors I think they have enough knowledge to recognise he is, as you say, talking himself into jail. And that their genius boy really doesn't have an explanation for how it all went wrong, much less a miracle solution he can pull out of the air to get out of this and get the money back.

Right now, the defence should try and avoid having him testify in front of a jury, even if they need to pull the old "my client is too sick to appear, here's the doctor's note" trick. Otherwise, like you say, he's gonna end up looking like a deliberate crook even if he wasn't (I do think the sloppiness and carelessness was all part of the whole trying to ape Silicon Valley 'move fast and break things' mindset about dropping conventional practices, as well as them all being relatively young and inexperienced and not wanting adult supervision while they were playing at saving the world). I mean, technically he is a crook but he sure isn't helping himself with the bullshit (which worked for him so long, by producing streams of verbiage he managed to con a lot of people into thinking he's a genius - like Michael Lewis, where all the book reviews I've read say he takes Bankman-Fried's side way too much and is clearly charmed by him and believes he's the innocent smart wonder of repute).

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Good job bobby, here's a star

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at this point I'm rooting for him to get a slap on the wrist

or best yet completely go scott free

it would be funny as heck if the court didn't give a shit about any of this

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Considering whats happening in Israel, i think its only fair to let him go so that he can deal with the trauma

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One look at the schnozz is enough to tell you he's walking free.

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great read

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