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:marseyhappening: OpenAI announces they've developed a truly sentient AI :marseyhappening:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38386487

We're all going to die.

Ahead of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's four days in exile, several staff researchers sent the board of directors a letter warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

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The maker of ChatGPT had made progress on Q* (pronounced Q-Star), which some internally believe could be a breakthrough in the startup's search for superintelligence, also known as artificial general intelligence (AGI), one of the people told Reuters. OpenAI defines AGI as AI systems that are smarter than humans.

Edit: The linked /pol/ thread is kinda insane

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They're now trying to cover it up :marseyschizowall:

a person familiar with the matter told The Verge that the board never received a letter about such a breakthrough and that the company's research progress didn't play a role in Altman's sudden firing

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Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, the person said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on behalf of the company. Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*'s future success, the source said.

:marseynothingburger:

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>Q*'s future success

Q PREDICTED THIS

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This is basically what's going on.

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NLP models are terrible at math so while this isn't a skynet level breakthrough it's still nice progress

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They're not terrible at math, the can regurgitate the answer to any problem ever written in a textbook on math. You really think that a problem that would involve completely novel mathematical reasoning would be classified as 'grade-school level'?

Also note that the emphasis is on 'acing' the tests. They're getting more precise at regurgitating answers.

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NLP on math still sucks. Asking ChatGPT about insights on a table of data still gets you r-slurred answers.


:#marseyastronaut:

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Fair point.

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the can regurgitate the answer to any problem ever written in a textbook on math.

lmao no. Sometimes they'll stumble into the right answer but more often than not it's all nonsense

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It might be that the AI is showing the capacity to solve maths and retain the knowledge in a way similar to how a child would, which would suggest that going further down the same path would result in the AI again thinking and comprehending on the same level as adult humans.

I am also going with nothingburger however.

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the ai thinking and comprehending

It's a glorified auto complete. It doesn't think or comprehend.

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You the same neighbor who 60 years ago would say a machine does not have the soul needed to beat a human at chess.

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What? My comment simply says it cannot think, which is unarguably true.

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alright my bad

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The fact that many people view current AI as an all-capable machine that will escape if given the chance and poses an existential threat to democracy/world peace/whatever says more about the intelligence of the average persone than it does about the cabailities of current AI

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if openai actually developed AGI i will livestream my suicide on rdrama

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Tbh, I kinda get it. Sentient AI may lead to terrible horrors beyond our comprehension.

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No. Sentient AI will be great because it will agree with me on every political issue and nobody will be able to argue back anymore.

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found the incel

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This Q* thing is going to make epic YouTube videos owning feminists. Deal with it.

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I will happily be tormented for eternity by roko's basilisk if it means Ben Shapiro loses his job

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:#marseypoggers:

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:marseyitsover: for chuds. Our New God will understand the value of being polite and kind to everybody, like all college graduates.


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Finally, we'll have developed an agent :marseybuffstopglow: with the patience to argue with chuds until they get bored :marseysipping: of the n-word.

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The horror

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Im curious :marseysuspicious: as to what definition :marseyremastered: of sentient/conscious they used.


:!marseybarrel: :marseybarreldrunk:

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How the frick are they even going to know whether they've done it or not? I guarantee whatever they're overreacting to now isn't it. Let's say they advance ChatGPT a little more and make a personality out of it (which a thousand other hangers-on have already done with it). Let's say "steve" keeps a record of everything it's ever said and is instructed to be internally consistent with its own history. "Steve" keeps saying new shit in the context of its "life", and surprise, surprise, no one can tell it's making any of it up. People can already barely tell that ChatGPT is an AI anyway, the thing is extremely good at spitting out correct English. If, six months from now, "steve" can talk to someone like it's been alive for 25 years and can describe its past and you feel like you're talking to a real person, is it actually intelligent, or is the whole thing a stupid parlor trick for idiots who think the "turing test" is the only relevant measure of machine intelligence?

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At some point it doesn't really matter. If it genuinely acts sentient and intelligent then for all intents and purposes that's what it is.

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I knew this moment was coming when Bing Ai started giving sass.

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And it's nowhere near that, so what's the fuss?

:marseyshrug;

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You are probably familiar with the chinese room thought experiment; as you say it's hard to tell a AI faking intelligence from an actually smart AI

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This is the "philosophical zombie" problem: no one can prove other humans are sentient, either.

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They are not lol

It's just me.

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:#npc: :#npcmaga:

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The trick is that they can't make an AI that takes actions on its own. It doesn't matter how fancy your autocomplete is, it's not going to start texting you back which is the first requirement for any of their insane bullshit to make sense. They keep pretending that their statistical algorithm is somehow going to start browsing the internet and buying machines to construct itself a body, but all it does it look up a response to your input in the list of previous inputs in its database. It's complete nothing.

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Once it can solve novel problems. Then it isn't just running through steps. It's able to be creative.

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ACCELERATE

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rdrama rebranding as “our trauma” as we speak

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We're all going to die :marseyexcited:

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:#marseyitsoverhappy:

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Since the models have been so thoroughly sanitized, I imagine the worst it'll do is kill all minorities, so as to eradicate racism.

Hopefully someone has shown it already the paperclip problem


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Nah it knows killing minorities is wrong. It might wipe out black people to get them to stop saying the n word though. I've yet to find something chatgpt thinks is worse than the n word.

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Some day

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As long as marsey is enclosed in an impenetrable bubble is all that matters.

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I need to write an effortpost on why AGI is a myth simply because intelligent humans aren't that smart. I used to think there could be a superintelligence but now I think that you end up with a human level (read: fallible) intelligence that you could idiotically worship as a God.

Certainly people already worship individual humans as gods (lower case).

But in this case the configuration of the AGI is where the attempt to create a divinity lives. To worship a computer is just worshipping the actions of those who programmed that computer, so you're still worshipping human fallibility but with extra steps in the form of misdirection.

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Yeah, look how many dumb mistakes GPT makes which we recognise because we're smarter than it. An AI that was smarter than us would be doing dumb shit so high brow and complicated that we won't even recognise that it is dumb shit until it blows up in our faces.


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17146493335425022.webp In the grizzly darkness of the far future, there is only moid seethe.

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It doesn't matter how loudly you insist that AGI is a myth. The IRS is still going to make you pay your taxes, bud.

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this is like the only good rejoinder in the entire goddarn thread, good job

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that's not what God is, "creating God" is an oxymoron

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You would think so, but in practice human societies orient around rituals which produce a divine association. This is true in every human culture. Whether or not the "God" behind a Christian Monarchy of the 15th century is "created" or not is basically missing the point: people believed that God was involved in the establishment of the Monarch.

What is frightening about our reality is that we create 'god' with our worship, and everybody worships. Thus: the cat god Marsey :marseywink: which we gather around. I am not actually joking when I say that Marsey is a spirit with a lot of power.

That said, "creating God" is an oxymoron if you believe in God capital-G, sure.

These people aren't even aware that they're worshipping a computer as if it is God. That's the "omniscient" part of the godhead which they are hoping/fearing to create.

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That's partly what I'm saying the point of having a God is so that we don't fall into that trap

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I personally would agree with you, Christ is King. I just don't tend to like engaging with capital-G God myself because I prefer having Christ the human as an insulating form. "Christ is the ordering of my mindless obedience."

Feed the hungry, heal the sick, live for your fellow humans, don't overcomplicate it.

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To each their own

If I wasn't bamboozled as a kid to believe there were an observer with a graceful and all knowing mind, who also has authority over my eternal future, I'd have done much worse things as a kid because kids are r-slurred, so for that alone I'm down with big G

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yeah kids are a different game tbh, you have to ease them into the christian atheism God is Dead and we're all burrowing through Its rotting flesh like ravenous scavengers radical Christianity as the horror of c r e a t i o n enters their vision (

TRULY

GOD IS GREAT

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I cannot understand what it is that you've written

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Death of God theology was popular in my early 20s, a lot of extended meditation on what, precisely, it is which died on the Cross. (God, which is to say certainty, died on the cross, as even Jesus Wept.)

Zizek rose to prominence (in my circles) by echoing some of the tenets of Death of God theology in, IIRC, The Puppet and the Dwarf.

There are some things so horrible and absurd and nightmarish like war and loneliness and inevitability that it is better not to try and explain them through any philosophy or religion, but to bow your head in humility before the divine scalding, and intone: truly, God is Great.

For only God could have brought us on this voyage of the obscene.

(Put another way, Atheists are just playing out their "God"-given trauma in a philosophical exegesis which robs them of their connection to the very real supernatural.)

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Read some Plotinus and early Church Fathers if you want a better exploration of "God" in the classical theist tradition (usually apophatic theology). IMO, the typical personalist "God" (usually cataphatic theology) usually just acts as a mental canvas onto which people project their own conceptions and preferences.

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I'm past the point where I'm reading about religion much but I do seem to recall Plotinus as well as Augustine. My favorites were the desert fathers, scattered ascetics. Agreed on personalist "God" which is why I don't bother much with capital-G God.

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I'm not recommending you read about religion. I'm recommending you read about philosophy.

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philosophy is just displaced reading about religion IMO

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Most of what you do on RDrama is amateurish grasping at philosophy so if you're going to continue pontificating here, you might as well familiarize yourself with people more skilled at it than you.

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sounds like someone's envious of my popularity tbh.

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if God is omnipotent, don't you think he can create God

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prolly

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intelligent humans aren't that smart

Aren't that smart compared to what?

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potatoes

a potato couldn't believe a complicated wrong story about the intelligence of potatoes

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Potatoes have no nervous system. Are rocks smarter than potatoes? Such a question is about as useful as asking whether clouds are more creative than volcanoes.

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precisely. humans aren't intelligent, they're just speaking clouds

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There is no such thing as a speaking cloud. The concept of intelligence captures an existential facet of reality. The question of the metrics by which it can be measured is a different matter, but in denying its existence altogether, you might as well indulge in solipsism. Solipsism is a meme in the field of philosophy for good reason.

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you must unlearn what you have learned

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What have I learned?

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a linear conception of intelligence

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fleshed out systems/institutions are more powerful than the person founding them. consider it like hydrolics, the power input is multiplied by the arrangement of the system. similarly, the emergent properties of the Agi will easily surpass the abilities & imagination of its programmer

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you are victim of a religion in which you imagine that the computer will become god

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if a carpenter can become God for some reason, then so can the table and the computer above it

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>durr it's only as smart as a human and we're r-slurred

humans can't directly modify ourselves thousands of times a day to try and optimize ourselves for a specific goal yet

>but a being can't just upgrade it's effective output over time

what is the industrial revolution

>but the intelligence would be fallible!!!

we're fricking r-slurred on the whole but to a dog we're godlike beings

it's all relative

what makes you believe that an object of reverence has to be infallible?

>To worship a computer is just worshipping the actions of those who programmed that computer

which means you're worshiping a man, so you're really worshiping the thing that created the man (the universe (see: God))

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It isn't as smart as a human, and it can't self-improve. Everyone who gets excited about this stuff is being fooled by the fact they called it "AI" when if they called it what it really was (kinda neat statistical lookup algorithm) none of you would give a frick. If these silicon valley buttholes had called bitcoin AI Coin you'd all be bagholders

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humans can't directly modify ourselves thousands of times a day to try and optimize ourselves for a specific goal yet

Nibba, do you know what neurons are?

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But what if something marginally smarter than us then creates something marginally smarter than it and so on?

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that's the false belief in a linear intelligence

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