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"You turned Stack Overflow into a nuclear test site" - StackOverflow opens up voting to all registered users; jannies revolt (again)

https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/429682/we-will-launch-the-1-rep-voting-experiment-on-so-for-4-6-weeks-along-with-accou?cb=1

The change

SO are going to let any registered user vote on content. Until now that "privilege" has required 100 points, a near-impossible task for a new user these days because no one ever upvotes questions and powerusers rush to answer all easy questions before anyone else can get to them (and will flag/close any other question as being off-topic).

The reasoning behind this change makes sense:

It's been a while since we last talked about the one-reputation voting change. We are still pursuing this because stagnating participation on the network is a concern for all of us, and we want to think about ways to grow the active community on the network. We have, by design, utilized rep as a threshold to award privileges and prevent bad behavior. While this has been effective in creating the current status quo, it has made participating on the network in some of the most basic ways difficult.

The response

But the post is on -143. Let's see what SO's (unpaid) jannies have to say.

Zoe (before you ask, yes she is):

The company has already been made aware of the many ways this can be abused, and the significant workload increase this will lead to when people notice, and that the tooling we have is nowhere close to capable of dealing with the kinds and volume of abuse this will cause. They have not responded to our concerns, and many mods (including multiple SO mods) have objected to the change from allowing sites to volunteer for the test to shoving it on SO. They did not care about the objections.

This response is ridiculous because:

  • Jannies are always welcome to not do it for free and let SO pay someone to do it. No one is giving you more work - you're unpaid, you don't have to do anything.

  • Oh and did I mention that Zoe's username is "Zoe is on strike"? That's right, a striking janny is still actually doing it for free and even giving feedback on new features. Good strike!


Someone else (who used to work for SO, left and yet still comments says:

Fraud: your approach is "disable association bonus and hope for the best?" Seriously? Im an r-slur but you've never done fraud before. Go out and sin, and come back when you know how to recognize it.


And a current non-striking mod says:

We did not volunteer for this experiment. It has been opposed by the SO moderators and other sites did step up to volunteer.

You're literally all volunteers lmao

Tooling does not scale for the concerns we have. It's mentioned that this is launching with new tooling, but they aren't being shared "at this junction". For moderators, that means the tooling does not exist at this point then.

Maybe if you were a paid employee then you'd be able to see this tooling.

CM [community manager] time is limited, and with focus split on new initiatives, AI content, and now this, the time they have to allocate to investigate vote fraud will decrease.

Maybe leave fraud investigations up to paid employees, like every other company.


By the way the three users who I've quoted here - all powerusers - haven't answered a single SO question between them in three years.

Stuff like this infuriates me because SO's powerusers and jannies are completely detached from the core purpose of the site yet they spend all their time stinking the place up and squabbling about meta shit. Stack Overflow is almost entirely self-moderating, these people aren't needed. If I worked for SO and had to interact with these idiots every day then I'd :marseyrope: . SO needs to start just doing things and stop cucking themselves to the jannies.

Let's end with an r-slurred Jeff Atwood tweet:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1712235287545204.webp

Nope, the goal of SO is to answer my question.

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>an artifact that will benefit future coders

>95% of questions outdated just 5 years after they're answered

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"SO should help people to understand how to solve problems"

Me:

>Google "split string python"

>scroll past the question until I see a short answer containing a code block

>copy and paste it without reading anything else on the page

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Nooooo you have to read 200 pages of documentation and the underlying computer science per word of code produced, you just have to

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idk I think this is true. 99% of visitors like me don't participate, it just comes up in search when we google a similar issue.

I actually agree with this sentinent. the goal isn't to answer the specific question but a more general one that applies to more people

r-slurs complain because they come in trying to get free tech support without doing their job to supply enough info or narrow down the bug.

dunno if jannies are necissary tho

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I kind of agree but I think that having many similar cases with slightly differing working example solutions achieves this better than having one case with three answers and wordswordwords of pedantry about them

I'm a very ‘learn by doing' kind of guy though (r-slurred)

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5 years? Try 5 months

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idk what the result of this will be but one thing is for sure.... any company that has to write a 9000 word document justifying every intricacy of a change in their operation for their unpaid jannies is cucked beyond belief.

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I'm sure that they've determined that it's cheaper and more efficient to cowtow to free Jannies every so often. means they don't have to pay for an entire ‘jeet moderation regiment

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Zoe (before you ask, yes she is):

I wasn't going to. At this point you can safely assume any code janny with a woman's name is a :marseytrain:

Oh and did I mention that Zoe's username is "Zoe is on strike"? That's right, a striking janny is still actually doing it for free and even giving feedback on new features. Good strike!

Sounds like reddit janny strike, but somehow even more r-slurred.

The entitlement of these cute twinks never ceases to amaze me. They will b-word and whine all day long but they will come back to work for free because they're nothing without that power.

!dramatards come laugh at code jannies.

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Sorry this question is off topic, a duplicate, and you should have used a different library anyway, also here's why I'm smarter than you:

:mariogo#atse:

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>Why would you even want to solve this problem in Python you fricking idiot it's not Pythonic reeee :marseysoycrytremble:

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"We are still pursuing this because stagnating participation on the network is a concern for all of us" is it a concern for all of us? Stagnation is expected as the site achieves it goal of being a repository of knowledge, and I think it's done well at achieving that.

:marseybrainle#t: yeah cause no new knowledge exists.

SO is shit cause of the moderation policies, at least 10 years ago people could ask semi repeat questions and get an answer, now I can try and ask a question that's unique to some library from 2024 and it gets closed by someone who can barely program because according to it's a duplicate of some other question that's not the same.

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The company has already been made aware of the many ways this can be abused

Jannies/lefties always fear the public, freedom is pure risk to them and they can't handle things they can't control and puppet master from a central body.

Dealing with abuse in online voting is pretty well established and then you have the jannies as last resort

That's what they should be doing, cleaning up, not power users who are self anointed content editors/sole contributors

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The public isn't educated enough to make the right decisions. :soyjakanimeglasses:

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I remember my first time diving into SO and someone had a great answer for an obscure question I had. Not allowed to vote! lol So I just leech answers ig. :marseyshrug:


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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"let's collaboratively build an artifact that will benefit future coders AI”

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Gigabrain move, they can have separate upvotes from experts, which they train their AI with, while free tier users have to deal with sexy Indian dudes circlejerking each other.

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they should limit the number of answers a user is allowed to post per day, as well as the number of posts that someone can declare off-topic.

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Reprehensible

I cannot nerd like this!!

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