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Hello Gentlemen, are thesaurus-frickers prima facie suspect? Or indeed is the isolated demand for rigor elitist, and dare I say, cringe? - A small hackernews slapfight in the language of their people

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Any body of academic thought whose paradigmatic communication medium is video rather than text is prima facie suspect. Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?

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I think it's pretty elitist to judge the quality of a content via whether it's in a book/journal or not. In fact, the recent wave of scientific fraud discovery shows that one can hide data manipulation pretty effectively in an academic journal. I'd much rather scientists spend their time making eli5 videos. :marseyclueless:

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Just curious, why do you write like that? Reminds when I was 11 and wanted to sound smarter on the internet.

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My reply is an attempt to address the original comment with precision. To diagram its intended meaning:

alternative theories of consciousness

"Any body of academic thought" [I accede the scientific legitimacy of the domain of discourse, rather than dismissing it.]

know where to go to find well-argued positions on the topic.

"whose paradigmatic communication medium" [This is the beginning of my challenge to the Original Commenter, by granting the information provided authoritative status, which they perhaps cannot fully defend.]

On YouTube you can find plenty of discussions

"is video rather than text"

it's particularly important to explore these discussions as dispassionately as possible if you regard materialism as the only theory of mind that has any scientific credibility or validity.

"is prima facie suspect" [The Original Commenter has asserted that discourse and engagement are important, yet provided only time consuming, low signal-to-noise sources of information.]

As Christopher Hitchens reminds us in his legendary oration on John Stuart Mill and free speech [2]

"Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?" [The only written citations are 1) generic and 2) ancillary to the core topic. I invite the Original Commenter to further his argument more substantively, without demanding exhaustive citations.]

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OK, let me rewrite it:

Any body of academic thought whose paradigmatic communication medium is video rather than text is prima facie suspect. Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?

Academic content is usually in text, not video. Do you have links to written work from them?

Shorter and the exact same meaning. Also doesn't sound like you've been perusing your thesaurus all day.

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No, the second approach's meaning is more obtuse. What does "usually" mean? Are there acceptable alternatives? If content is in an alternative mode of communication, is it acceptable?

These vagaries permitted in your revision are clear and inherent in the original commenter's motion. Therefore, I submit your adjudication of "shorter and the exact same meaning" is woefully superficial in it's drive for simplicity, to the point there is no thought left that is clear in the original garden. Further, exact and technical communication is what separates Hacker News commenting from the hordes of subreddits that thrive on imprecise babble.

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At minimum, this does not capture that I _am_ challenging the Original Commenter ("prima facie suspect") to more rigorously defend his position, but doing so respectfully. "One salient" written source is a carefully chosen framing: the OC cannot meet it by replying with support peripheral or meta to the main argument, but neither can he dismiss my request as burdensome, demanding multiple links.

The proposed revision suffers from its terseness, losing both nuance and completeness.

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Communication is about being understood. Not about crafting the perfect sentence. Even if you craft the perfect sentence, that will be the perfect sentence _for you_, and it might be completely lost on many people, some perhaps even more intelligent than you.

The subtext of "Academic content is usually in text, not video" is "I don't trust this because it's in video, not text". Now if you say that is not clear, sure, but the subtext of your comment is "I opened a thesaurus and tried to seem smart", which is why this conversation derailed here. You can't ignore the subtext to craft a mathematically perfect sentence..

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Communication is about being understood.

The subtext of "Academic content is usually in text, not video" is "I don't trust this because it's in video, not text". Now if you say that is not clear, sure

Indeed, relying on the implicit when the explicit is sufficient [0] does a disservice to one's readers, in whose ability and charity to comprehend my surface text, without presuming confounding subtextual meaning, I have every confidence.

[0] It is not always; some things can only be gestured at, not grasped.

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I hope some day you realize how cringe your comments are.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17161541169444141.webp

There's more in there... !clinklickers but I got sick of trying to copy the formatting right because the HNewses also love their >

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A thesaurus/overly verbose award that translates people's text into something horrible like this would be hilarious.


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17187151446911044.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17093267613293715.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17177781034384797.webp

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I want to implement this and call it "The Motte" award, but I think it needs to pipe comments through some kind of LLM because to make it be maximally funny it needs to more or less preserve the meaning of the comment. It seems like all the good models are really demanding to run locally so everyone just calls GPT APIs?

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>It seems like all the good models are really demanding to run locally so everyone just calls GPT APIs?

:marseyagree: but even the mediocre ones are demanding

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Proof of concept

I propose inaugurating a fricking novel endeavour, designating it 'The Motte' accolade, yet I surmise that this initiative necessitates the fricking incorporation of certain Language Model interfaces (LLM) to ensure its optimal hilarity. To achieve this, I posit that piping comments through an LLM is fricking requisite to preserve their signifying valence and thereby maximize humor. Furthermore, I hypothesize that an optimal comedic effect can only be achieved by preserving the fricking comment's hermeneutic context, thus necessitating the fricking integration of LLMs with other semantic frameworks. It appears that most exemplary models exhibit an unyielding predilection for local execution, prompting a fricking reliance on GPT APIs rather than self-execution. This state of affairs bespeaks a fricking dearth of readily accessible, computationally frugal models amenable to integration with 'The Motte' award's comment-piping apparatus. Thus, I suggest that an erudite examination of existing LLMs and their respective computational burdens be undertaken to identify a fricking model that reconciles the fricking demands of humor preservation with the fricking constraints of local execution. Only thereby can we ensure that 'The Motte' award actualizes its promise of maximizing comedic effect while preserving the fricking intentional essence of commentative intentionality, thereby fulfilling its telos.

llama3 8B 4-bit quantized, takes like 4-5 GB of VRAM.

This is fricking better than I expected lmao.

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This is surprisingly good!! :marseyloveyou: That's probably still too much to run on drama servers though, yeah? Can we scam free credits on nvidia cloud or something?

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Dude this is amazing. Now imagine it stacking with edgy or uwu awards.

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Give me an edgy award and we can find out :marseyxd:

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I would but I can't buy any, I thought I joined the edgy group, FRICK

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I got your back, motherlover.

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lmao

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Not really, you can run GPT 3.5 level LLMs with a good desktop GPU.

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He the frick would you run “ayy bussy, lmao” through a thesaurus? Or 90% of the r-slurred shit people say here?

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What permutation of linguistic incongruity, would you propose subjecting the ephemeral utterance 'ayy bussy, lmao' or 90% of the colloquialisms that beset our conversational dialectic to the scrutiny of a lexicographical apparatus? Or, more broadly, what proportion of the aberrant locutions that pepper our discursive endeavors would you deem worthy of ontological examination through the lens of a thesaurus?

:soysnootypefast:

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Notice it did not change “ayy bussy lmao” …

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Indeed, I affirmatively concur with the affirmation "Verbum", signifying assent, acquiescence, and approbation. Furthermore, I hereby acknowledge and validate the designation "Buxomianus" as a euphemism for the posterior appendages of the masculine gender, thereby precipitating an outbreak of risible mirth (lmao).

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You'd just have a dictionary of word/phrasal substitutions. "bussy" -> "the esteemed anus of a gentleman". "lmao" -> "I am in a particular state of amusement reaching even the level of vocal expressions thereof". leave "ayy" the same, idc

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