In response to constant bitching from jannies (unpaid) that new users aren't asking good questions, Stack Overflow have added a new feature called the Staging Ground:
Basically new users aren't even allowed to ask questions directly onto the site anymore and their questions are instead pushed into a separate pipeline where no one can give them answers and their questions are instead disseminated by powerusers. Only if a question passes this multi-stage process does it actually make it onto SO proper. Spoiler: nothing ever passes.
Let's look at what this new user experience looks like...
A new user asks a Python question (now deleted so no link). It's correctly formatted, it explains the question clearly and shows the error. This sounds like a good question, right? WRONG.
They're asked to edit the question (which they do), and then they're told to edit it again. The question is then closed as being "off topic" (it's a Python coding question lol) and to rub salt into the wounds a poweruser asks the Meta (aka poweruser sneed) forum how to punish them further in How should we respond in the Staging Ground when OP ignores feedback, makes a trivial edit and submits for re-evaluation?.
The response? Ask for more changes:
This is exactly what declined re-eval was added for. To elaborate more: we added this feature for this exact scenario, and it is designed to give the reviewer a frictionless way to both tell the author that they still need to address the original feedback (IIRC, banner tells them this). And if the author continues to ignore it, they will be temporarily blocked, with clear explanations why
Of course OP can't actually do this because their question has been closed as off topic.
Congrats Stack Overflow, you're going to die even faster.
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Congratulations, someone or (You) reposted your thread on /g/
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100953294/
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Wow I've got to ring my grandma, I've made it to the chans!
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I don't know what that is.
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Those comments are essentially "Solve your own problem".
If the guy could produce a minimal example singling-out the error, and in addition to that ruled out common errors raised by individual functions in his code, then he wouldn't be asking on stack-overflow.
And if he did all that and the error survived the process, then it'd be too complicated for anyone on stack-overflow to answer.
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Someone should ask powerusers what a good SO question looks like. I don't think they'd be able to give you an answer. Most powerusers haven't asked (or answered) a question in the last five years.
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I've been inclined to believe that none of them code at all, or that their experience tops at navigating eclipse
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Uh oh watch out it's the Code of Conduct crew.
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It's like they want a textbook-style setup of the problem, but that kind of setup is something you can really only achieve with the context of knowing the answer.
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Create a minimal reproducible example of a good question first, please. then you may ask that question
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To be fair a lot of programming questions can just be answered by reading the man page
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That's assuming that programmers know how to write documentation and that they know how to read it, both of which don't hold true.
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If the btrfs devs forgot to document an important component, it's your fault for needing it
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HOW HARD IS IT TO ADD AN EXAMPLE IN THE MAN PAGE HOLY FRICKING SHIT I HATE DEVELOPERS
Here is a list of 200000 alphanumeric flags and options a. b. c. .dd.a.fdwaeropgfaujrfghaw4eulfh34iuoaty o2qhwe=a=sdas=d --saf-d-saf-d-f- da-sf-sad-f-sdg--sfhg-g- sfd--fgdsg-sdf-fg-s-dfg-s df--sdf-sgdf-g-fsd-fdg-gdfs-gfsd-fgds-gfd afnjkodsgnsfdjk <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>> FILE PATH>>> 828327 sd=-f--daf-sdf FILE PATH OVER WRIDE
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Anyway no I'm not going to show you what a valid command is expected to look like
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Lowtax from Something Awful actually just killing himself really wrapped up 2000s websites and their commercial prospects, Strong Bad and Tom from Myspace should Livestream drowning in hot tub with Amouranth turning 30.
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Actually, The Brothers Chaps are doing well with Kickstarters and Steam releases.
Also they were working with huge companies off the back of H*R in the barren years so technically it was even turning a profit then
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Mommy is turning 30 soon?
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I love gatekeeping but I hate SO jannies. Please help me to work through this contradiction.
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Gatekeeping should be done by those invested. SO jannies don't actually code and therefore have no business being gatekeepers.
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Maybe you just expect a better class of gatekeeper. Like, if you're going to tell me I'm too fat and ugly to join your sorority, you better be hot.
I have zero respect for any SO jannies except for Alex Martelli if he is one (he seems neurodivergent enough that he might be).
Edit: I just checked and he's not, so I respect him even a tiny bit more.
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You can resolve the tension by roping
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Well actually, roping without tension is just falling
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Gatekeeping is a means to an end.
It ensures the community stays pure to what it was intended to do.
SO jannies don't do this because “make sure no one can lern2coad” is not what SO was meant to do. qed
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I don't have an account, but it always pisses me off when someone asks a question and people start bitching because they should've found a post on something from 5 years ago. Doubly so if it's something obscure.
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You hate jannies so can still gatekeep without them, an autoclosing bot would do that just fine
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I suppose the psychological process is just that all those $0 per hour jannies are getting bored of answering questions but don't want to give up their positions and so it's essentially some process to force users to ask more entertaining questions.
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who even still uses that
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ChatGPT, who still uses this?
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!sd the type of Marsey that would use stack overflow
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And they wonder why the site is dying
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i hate jannies so much i am literally sitting here fuming right now and i dont even code so i will never need to use stackoverflow. send help
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Grognards never change, do they? Is this in reponse to the invasion you think?
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Yes it absolutely is, but now innocent people (Europeans and Americans) are getting caught in the crossfire.
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The natural progress of any bureaucracy is to eventually ditch your original purpose as it gets in the way of internal power games.
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Your original question link doesn't work
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The user has probably been bullied into deleting it.
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this whole minimally reproduceable example is horseshit. I hate it with a passion. Negro do you want me write a fresh program just to demonstrate this issue? WTF I hate these codejannies so much. Poor kid is learning python and these nogs come in and act all high and mighty. I have mainly shifted to asking chatgpt these days but there are still some questions on SO which help with legacy systems. I hope the site dies a jannie ego infected death
what kind of r-slur is going to do all this, https://stackoverflow.com/help/minimal-reproducible-example they have voting and comments for a reason.
I will never say I love sucking peepee
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!gaystapo
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NO PLEASE ITS BEEN 2 DAYS
@cyberdick love sucking peepee @cyberdick love sucking peepee @cyberdick love sucking peepee
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Since you can't upmarsey Reports, please upmarsey this comment in support of my funny and topical Report
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It's a good report
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Autism was mistake
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Is stackoverflow open source and someone can start a new one with hookers and blow, like was done here?
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No but any web dev could write their own version in a weekend. The Codecademy React for Beginners tutorial has you build a clone as one of the end of module projects.
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Not the website, but all the questions and answers are free to use, so you could just download them all and make a clone site.
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that would be hilarious to me personally if someone did that
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Google search results used to be spammed with sites that were just filled with the exact contents of SO posts and comments. I assume they were filled with ads but idk cuz I have adblock
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An idiot admires complexity. A genius admires simplicity.
Snapshots:
Python question:
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How should we respond in the Staging Ground when OP ignores feedback, makes a trivial edit and submits for re-evaluation?:
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I know this is irrelevant compared to the main subject of the post, but the introduction features a significant amount of rounded corner slop, which is an aesthetic I thought stack overflow was too old-web in style (see the awful comment threading feature as an example) to fall for.
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kill stackoverflowcels
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Who in God's gay earth is Lynn Conway?
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