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Ukraine was always a part of Russia. Poland, Finland, and the Baltic states for only about a hundred years. Not enough to call it a historical Russian land, which is why Russia never cared about Finland's and Baltic states' independence as much as Ukrainian. And even then, the parts of Ukraine that Russia currently occupies were not a part of the Ukrainian Republic while it was independent. They were given to them by the Soviet Union. If Ukrainians want to "decommunize" Ukraine, then they should return the territories they got from a communist government.

And of course not wanting to be a russian vasal instantly qualifies as such, therefore they can justify it against whomever they want.

No, actively repressing your Russian-speaking population qualifies as such. Of which both Ukraine and Estonia are guilty. They both banned pro-Russian parties, Estonia banned the Russian language in an official capacity, and Ukraine committed torture, kidnapping, and mass murder of the Russian-speaking population in Donbas (this was done almost exclusively by the SBU and the volunteer battalions). Are Russians innocent of those crimes? Not really. But Putin's job is to protect the Russian population.

And if Ukraine wants to join NATO (which is the main reason for this war) then they can't be that concerned about killing civilians, or they would never join an organization that intentionally targeted civilian targets and supported a terrorist organization that killed Albanians and non-Albanians indiscriminately.

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>Ukraine was always a part of Russia. Poland, Finland, and the Baltic states for only about a hundred years.

Ah so we are moving the goalposts as usual, "it might have declared independence at the same time as other countries, but the russians opressed them for a few more centuries, therefore they have ancestral rights to supress them indefinitely".

Maybe let Ukrainians self-determine? What is the exact amount of years after which one country is indefenitely entitled to a territory against the wish of the native population? Vojvodina was also never part of Serbia prior to 1920, would Hungary bombing it senselessly therefore justified?

>And if Ukraine wants to join NATO (which is the main reason for this war)

No it was not

>then they can't be that concerned about killing civilians, or they would never join an organization that intentionally targeted civilian targets and supported a terrorist organization that killed Albanians and non-Albanians indiscriminately.

"Not allowing me to commit wholesale genocide by bombing my army means you are pro-genocide" :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

I'm guessing you don't hold the current russian army to the same standards.

But like I said,

Maybe try convince some gullible westoids about how innocent russias intentions are or how misunderstood she is by nazi butthurt belters, nobody with a double digit IQ east of the Oder will believe it anyways, you yourself don't believe it either, you just hope Russia can get away with it so that later you might get away with a little trolling in Kosovo too.

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Ah so we are moving the goalposts as usual, "it might have declared independence at the same time as other countries, but the russians opressed them for a few more centuries, therefore they have ancestral rights to supress them indefinitely".

Maybe let Ukrainians self-determine? What is the exact amount of years after which one country is indefenitely entitled to a territory against the wish of the native population? Vojvodina was also never part of Serbia prior to 1920, would Hungary bombing it senselessly therefore justified?

Fine, maybe let Russians in Ukraine self-determine? As they did? You should respect the self-determination of Russians.

Honestly, I'm fine with both the majority Hungarian territory in Vojvodina going to Hungaria. That's not even half the region. We can get the Lorev village in return out of principle. I'm also fine with the majority Albanian part of Kosovo going to Albanians. Even the Presevo Valley can go to them. The problem is that a good part of Northern Kosovo rightfully belongs to Serbian citizens who were banished from there by Albanians during WW2 and then after the Kosovo War in 2004. After that land is returned to its rightful owners, then we can split Kosovo based on demographics. Self-determination is and has always been a good thing.

"Not allowing me to commit wholesale genocide by bombing my army means you are pro-genocide"

I specifically took issue with the bombing of civilians and supporting a terrorist organization that committed genocide against civilians. I fail to see how you got that from my comment.

I'm guessing you don't hold the current russian army to the same standards.

If Ukraine doesn't hold NATO to those standards, why should I hold Russia to those standards?

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Ah, finally we agree that the NATO bombing of Serbia was justified to help albanians self-determine.

See? It wasn't that hard.

>Honestly, I'm fine with both the majority Hungarian territory in Vojvodina going to Hungaria. That's not even half the region. We can get the Lorev village in return out of principle. I'm also fine with the majority Albanian part of Kosovo going to Albanians.

Which is why you supported a war that aimed at displacing all of the albanians out of Kosovo, while serbians weren't even after they lost their war.

>I'm also fine with the majority Albanian part of Kosovo going to Albanians. Even the Presevo Valley can go to them. The problem is that a good part of Northern Kosovo rightfully belongs to Serbian citizens who were banished from there by Albanians during WW2

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/04/29/putin-threatens-to-deport-ukrainians-from-regions-annexed-by-russia_6024766_4.html

Once again, I see you don't hold russians to the same standards.

>I specifically took issue with the bombing of civilians and supporting a terrorist organization that committed genocide against civilians

Bombing your military to prevent you from committing wholesale genocide of albanians doesn't count as a genocide, no matter how hard you want to believe it.

>If Ukraine doesn't hold NATO to those standards, why should I hold Russia to those standards?

Because NATO didn't wage a aggressive war against anyone? Sorry they bombed the genocidal dreams of greater serbia onto the history books, supporting another genocidal aggressor will just isolate it further. :marseyblowkiss:

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Ah, finally we agree that the NATO bombing of Serbia was justified to help albanians self-determine.

But letting Kosovo Serbs self-determine is not justified apparently. KLA attacked the majority Serb area.

Which is why you supported a war that aimed at displacing all of the albanians out of Kosovo, while serbians weren't even after they lost their war.

I supported an anti-terrorist operation against an organization that wanted to ethnically cleanse Kosovo of non-Albanians.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/04/29/putin-threatens-to-deport-ukrainians-from-regions-annexed-by-russia_6024766_4.html

"You need to have Russian citizenship to live in Russia, news at eleven."

Bombing your military to prevent you from committing wholesale genocide of albanians doesn't count as a genocide, no matter how hard you want to believe it.

Yes, but bombing civilians does count as genocide. Which is what NATO did.

Because NATO didn't wage a aggressive war against anyone? Sorry they bombed the genocidal dreams of greater serbia onto the history books, supporting another genocidal aggressor will just isolate it further.

They attacked a sovereign territory of a non-NATO state that did not attack a NATO state. How is that not an aggressive war? Just because you don't like the person aggression is being committed to, doesn't mean that there was no aggression.

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