Thought I would make a personal tier list of my favorite legal highs (at least legal in the only country that matters )
This list is NOT extensive or complete, just my personal favs and hates. This is not a list of prescription drugs, just stuff you can order on the clear web or get OTC at stores. I'm also skipping cannabis because it's not legal everywhere yet (and it's for strags )
Let's get started then, shall we?
SHIT TIER
Nicotine
I really don't need to say much about why nicotine sucks in all it's forms. It's just not worth taking.
BORING TIER
Alcohol
Alcohol is one of the weakest, shortest duration, and most overall toxic of the GABAergics that I've taken. It's also just really uninteresting and generally uncomfortable.
L-Theanine
Theanine is really only good with Caffeine. On it's own, it does next to nothing. Taking a large dose almost feels like a small dose of gabapentin.
Racetams and Noopept
Not much to say about them. Minor stimulation and a slight 'glow' at mid-high doses. People swear by their nootropic abilities, and I have noticed a moderate increase in memory recall before.
DECENT TIER
Caffeine
Caffeine, especially in energy drink form, is great for when you want to focus, but still kinda relax - like playing a game, having a conversation with friends, or doing some chores. It's pretty nice being somewhat stimulated but not feeling the need to do things constantly, like with amphetamines.
It's also pretty tasty in most forms, and can actually be quite relaxing, especially when combined with L-Theanine (like in green tea). Best used occasionally (as I know you all have extremely high caffeine tolerance and will say it does nothing for you anymore )
Salvia
Salvia is one of those drugs that's extremely interesting conceptually, but kinda sucks in practice.
Sweating and discomfort followed by becoming an inanimate object for 2000 years, followed by days of depression. It's unique and worth checking out if you're adventurous. It's also probably the strongest drug on this list.
GBL / GHB / 2M2B
Is your alcohol making too much acetaldehyde in your stomach and poisoning you the next day? Yeah, it does that.
Would you prefer that your alcohol hit much harder but last less time? GBL/GHB are a good solution. A literal cleaning solution, at that!
Are you feeling scammed that the shot of vodka you bought didn't last 14 hours? Try 2M2B!
Final thoughts: These are all very interesting GABAergics with differing use cases, but not for me.
DPH
Diphenhydramine is great if you want to see spiders, shadow men, and horrors from another dimension while also constantly forgetting where you are and what's happening. It's a genuinely interesting experience, and it causes dream-like structures to appear in your waking reality as opposed to the geometry of psychedelics, meaning it has the most 'realistic graphics' of any hallucinatory drug.
It's also good at a low dose for fapping. Not sure why.
GREAT TIER
Kratom
Kratom is a south east asian plant which contains the indole alkaloid mitragynine. It's an opioid with relaxing or stimulating effects, depending on the dose. Pretty cool. It can hit very hard the first few times (or if you combine it with 30-60mg of DXM to reset your tolerance ) and can even make you 'nod' like a traditional opioid. It does have a sort of 'built-in abuse mitigation' in that it will make you violently nauseated if you reach a certain dose (which depends on you and your tolerance).
Kratom is a great drug to relax, to prevent pain while doing physical work , or to be social. It's also amazing for essentially eliminating stimulant come-downs.
Nitrous Oxide
Nitrous is a 'turbo button' for psychedelics, dissos, cannabis, and a slew of others. On it's own, it's a bit weak, but combine it with certain drugs and you will be shot to the fricking moon. It's really no joke - but it only lasts about 30 seconds. Still, an amazing substance if you're already high - and, being a dissociative, it actually prevents anxiety during the blast-off (unlike using cannabis to enhance psychedelics).
WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA
GOD TIER
Phenibut
Phenibut is a gabapentinoid that, interestingly, acts on GABA B (and also A). It's basically alcohol, with less mental impairment, that lasts for 12-16 hours, has high levels of euphoria, enhances music, makes every shot of alcohol 4x stronger, and makes you a gigachad socially. It's also legal, cheap (if you can find it these days), and doesn't have a hangover - in fact, you'll feel GREAT the next day because of how well you'll sleep.
The best part about phenibut's social aspect is that it makes you more empathetic, like MDMA.
There's only really one downside - it takes 6 hours to really 'kick in', so prepare ahead of time.
DXM
DXM has a reputation of being a 'teenager drug', but the people who say that haven't taken a 3rd plateau dose.
DXM is a very powerful dissociative opioid with SSRI properties. What does this mean? - It means that DXM acts like an unholy amalgamation of ketamine, codeine, and MDMA. It also happens to reset your tolerance to stimulants and opioids, and is being researched as an antidepressant. It's also by FAR the best drug for music enhancement. This is not debatable.
There are four different 'plateaus' of DXM doses, which all have unique effects. The most interesting are 2nd and 3rd plateau - 2nd plateau is excellent for music listening and fading into the background of reality. It also makes you want to move your body, as every motion feels incredible. You'll be stumbling like an r-slur though.
In contrast, if you move around a lot on 3rd plateau, you'll vomit. Hard. 3rd plateau will suck you deep into a dark, boundless expanse of dream-like structures and voids. It's impossible to explain, but it is extremely profound. DXM also combines incredibly with psychedelics. The best and strongest drug experience I've ever had was on LSD+DXM.
I could go on for hours about all of the incredible things DXM can do, but the unfortunate downside is that it's not for everyone - I would estimate that 1/4 people who try DXM will hate it - there's also a small subsection of the population that lacks the enzyme to break it down, meaning they will likely have an extremely long nightmare trip.
In conclusion, DXM is not just my favorite legal drug, it is my favorite drug.
And that's the end of this loooooooongpost. Hope you learned something. Or not. Idk.
If you have any questions about any of these drugs, feel free to ask - or you can always check out psychonautwiki.org and erowid.org for more information on psychoactive chems. We should definitely keep illegal sourcing out of this hole, but as all of these drugs are legal and OTC, feel free to ask for sources in this thread if you need a good brand.
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this thread is officially endorsed by the /h/drugs janitorial staff
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I am the staff
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sir yes sir
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this thread is officially endorsed by me because it (correctly) places DXM in the highest tier of legal highs
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You forgot to mention that DPH will rot your brain and give you Alzheimer's if you use it often. So I think it deserves to be bumped up a couple tiers.
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where are paint thinner and industrial glue?
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in the same category as poppers and petrol
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and where's "putting finger in the bum and smelling it"?
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off the charts and beyond the scope of this review
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Poppers are based though, most drugs on this list either dont affect s*x or make it worse. Poppers also make marijuana or alcohol tolerable. Not nitrous tier but close
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What about the air canisters?
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Lol DXM was in the cough medicine they handed out in the army, was a fricking trip trying to march and do army stuff while you were unknowingly tripping out a bit on DXM because essentially almost nobody here would know that people use it to get high On the island where we did our basic training, you'd almost always get the coof at some point or another so I can only imagine that many of us didn't even know what was happening since the topic of drugs is so taboo here
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Have you tried getting high on life?
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Holy shit
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this is a legal high tier list
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Modafinil
Do you want to wage cuck harder than you've wage cucked before? Then Modafinil is for you, it makes it so you can't feel tiredness and doesn't make you tweak as much as adderall.
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I wish I could be a Modachad, but one of it's main actions is histamine release and I have heightened histamine because of a disorder, so it could give me an allergic reaction
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could isn't would
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Also doesn't show up on standard drug tests.
Although I find myself grinding my teeth like i'm on MDMA.
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I remember taking some in university and dropping frames, I'd be walking around teleporting every few steps
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DXM is some crazy shit.
Take a small amount, you just feel like you've had 2-3 beers and smoked a joint. Very pleasant.
Take a little more, you feel like your mind is submerged in the middle of an ocean.
Take too much, you completely dissociate and start seeing interdimensional beings.
It's really quite amazing.
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I did DXM so many times everything flashes forever. It's not that bad, just...everything flashes. Probably a few holes burned through the brain.
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The Holy Spirit is seemingly absent from God-tier, much less this list. I'd suggest you fix that quick
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I always pop a few entheogens before attending church
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might just be me, but i don't really get the want for dissociation - pretty sure it's what i felt when i had too much dayquil while sick and too poor to eat and i just felt like a meat slab pilot with no agency. totally willing to accept this is my body's shortcoming, but just not for me if it's what i experienced. i also hated being on ritalin, made me feel like a robot that didn't need to eat but at least i didn't misbehave in class and could crank out work like a machine.
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REAL LIFE SURVIVAL HORROR MINIGAME
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I can understand not liking disassociation, it's offputting for a lot of people. I like it specifically because it's so offputting - it feels alien, and yet it's comfy. It isn't like psychedelics, pulling you into a new reality and overwhelming you with REAL, it's the exact opposite - putting you into an infinite warm ocean, a void of nothingness, no anxiety or fear - just exploration and experience.
Might be because I personally have some physical issues with my body that I like this kind of thing so much. You don't have to concern yourself with body or emotion or even mind, it's just being.
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God tier:
6-apb, 5-mapb, pre ban mephedrone
Great tier:
Mxe, Ald-52, 1p-lsd, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, 4-ho-mipt, 5-apb, 5-meo-mipt
Deceant tier:
Post ban mephedrone, Desochloroketamine, 3-ho-pcp, etizolam, bromazolam, o-dsmt, 2-fma, hexen, nep, ghb, phenibut, dxm, kava kava, poppy seed tea, nitrous, modafinil
Boring:
Piracetam, noopept, phenylpiracetam, caffeine, nicotine
Shit tier:
Jwh-210, 4f-mph, dph, etazene(frick that one in particular)
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Mephedrone was good times for a while. Could get it everywhere.
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I have done every drug and most available researchchemicals on market. 6-apb and 5-mapb are my all time favorite drugs
It's a real shame almost nobody has heard of them
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Literally everyone who knows rcs knows those you wannabe special princess
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Obviously not asking for sources but is 6apb and other popular 2015ish rcs still around or is the RC scene totally dead? Last I saw most everything got analogue acted
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Still available if you order from Netherlands. Things like mephedrone are only available from dnms though
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Your list is shit and you should feel bad for it. Lorazepam is probably the top of the list because it’s legal with prescription and nothing matters when you’re on it.
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sorry I didn't write this list in scribbles, I know that's all you guys can read
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I can’t read that many words. Also scribbles are so much easier and quicker to read, everybody should do it.
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I completely agree with all of this and it's great that you feel empowered to do these things. Remind me, why is it bad if someone wants a police force to shoot you on sight?
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I'd put LSA on decent tier too
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Your placement of salvia makes it easy to disregard everything in the list.
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Favourite (on this list and maybe in general) has to be nitrous. If it weren't for the cost of going through 100s of them and my precious B12 I would do them way more often. I used to be more of a long psychedelic enjoyer but the length of the trip is too much of a journey for a casual drug experience, nitrous is the perfect length and can still send you to the moon even combined with boring drugs (weed and booze) and you just keep doing them if you want more.
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DMT is the ideal short psych, I just hate that unless you have a good dealer it can be hard to get (I guess darkweb is always an option). I'm also too lazy to do a DMT extraction + crystallization out of root bark especially since it's hard to get good quality non polar solvents. One of these days I'll put in the work and make a whole bunch.
For the nitrous: yeah it does feel like you're killing brain cells but as long as you're getting enough oxygen between balloons it's not acutely toxic as far as I know. It's just nice that it's low commitment and can be mixed safely with most other drugs
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The extraction process is simple but it can be a pain to get the bark depending on where you are, plus it's pretty cheap on the darknet; when I used to buy it from the darknet it was like $70/gram (which is a lot of trips).
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I like to take some harmine before smoking dmt that way it lasts much longer
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I get not including pot on your list but if you're going to include coffee and alcohol it seems like it should make the cut. Oh wait there are some places it isn't legal.
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Why isn't jenkem included as part of a literal shit tier?
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Any good legal Kratom and DXM brands?
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I like Otie's, but I'm sure there's cheaper or better options, check out Double M Herbals for vendor reviews.
Robocough, by far. It's actually the cheapest dextromethorphan-only brand cough syrup you can buy, so it's even good for stocking up for colds. The syrup tastes like death, but it's highly concentrated, so you only have to drink a thimble's worth.
Robocough also sells tablets if you want to avoid the pains of syrup, but in my opinion the syrup hits harder and faster and is more euphoric. Up to you, really.
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My favorite is Gold from Modern Day Miracles. High euphoria, close as you can get without narcotics afaik
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Lol I followed some links and got to a thread asking what people took as a dose for kratom. Nearly every reply said some variation of daily use, 2-5 times a day, “maybe 6 if I have a rough day at work”
Thanks /r/drama I knew I could trust you guys
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Jesus Christ, that's r-slurred. It's pretty subtle but it still contains an opioid compound. My bowels would never heal after taking that much for even a single week.
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I did kratom for about 3 years, never missed a day AMA
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There was a year that savia was popular after me and some friends were looking for something fun to do after smoking weed. Had one friend run through a bunch of pricker bushes and thorns. Had another stand up and start urinating.
Would not recommend.
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Favorite legal high is weed only if you live in a free state
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Decent-tier is too generous. I will withold judgement on DPH because I've heard good things, but salvia is shit-tier.
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DXM sucks. It just makes you feel confused.
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Sometimes I prefer not to be clear-headed when I'm getting totally fricked up on drugs, and DXM makes it really interesting. You can just sit back and watch the show, you don't really need to think.
It's really just a preference thing and also kind of an experience thing. I stopped getting confused nearly as much after my 4-5th trip.
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average kratom/dxm/GHB user
average gasoline/freon/lighter fluid huffers
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i like my life the way it is, sorry
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Youre fricking insane having DXM up at the top i would love to party with you lmfao. I think NO2 is a little too high but agree with how great it is to combine shit with.
Also DXM isn’t an opioid that’s just a common misconception as it gets conflated as “cough syrup” the same as Promethazine w/ Codeine.
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DXM is a morphinan like morphine and both DXM and DXO have some μ-opioid affinity, but yeah you're right, it's a bit of a stretch to say it's like codeine in any way.
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No D8 on the list?
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D8 is great if you like feeling the anxiety of a weed comeup and literally nothing else
CBD is far better because it actually relaxes you.
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Haven't tried it, I live in a legal state and don't like weed much
Probably will at some point though, I'm curious how it differs.
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Wow these are the most normcore trash drugs ever. Grow a fricking pair and buy some meow
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Salvia is illegal without prescription in my country. Makes me wonder sometimes.
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Pretty interesting I learned a lot thank you
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Where is delta 8? It's alright.
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Yea alcohol and caffeine are all that I've experienced, hard agree on putting caffeine on a higher tier than alcohol. After effects of alcohol are awful if you're not super careful about how/when you drink, not fun or worth it after-the-fact AT ALL
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DXM really? Too much of a wildcard for me, I had both my best and worst trips on that. I'm not much for goombling so I just stay away from it now.
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What’s ur phen rec
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If you're in the US, I like Liftmode. nootropicsdepot is pretty good too.
I would recommend you get the free amino acid form if it's in stock, but it is much more expensive. It's way nicer on the stomach and about 1.2x stronger than HCL.
Also, the caps are a waste of money. Just buy the powder and a shitty scale from amazon that can weigh 0.25g and up accurately, combine with water, and drink. Also if you're buying the HCL powder, it's very acidic and bad for your teeth, so be careful or combine it with baking soda to make a home version of the free amino acid.
If you're looking for dosing advice, check psychonaut. I would start with around 1g.
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Preciate you
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GBL/GHB/BDO are not legal to buy. 2m2b is still tho.
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Phenibut sucks. Gabapentin and baclofen combined is 5x as good.
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I tried phenibut but it literally has zero effects on me
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based dexchad bringing delsym to the unwashed masses
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I buy kratom by the kilo for about 40 bucks
Secured my spot as a top 100 most memorable rdrama poster
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Everything is legal if you don't get caught.
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You can get high on L-Theanine, seriously? What if I drink a bunch of tea?
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Racetams are 100% overhyped, the positive effects are weak (if present at all) and give me horrible insomnia after a few days. Noopept is the only one of that family worth bothering with and even then I wouldn't buy unless it's ridiculously cheap.
Recommend: Sulbutiamine, more of a vitamin supp but it helps immensely with physical fatigue. Tolerance builds quickly if you take more than 2-3 days in a week.
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I'll save it for a future nootropics / supplement thread, but I've been having good results with agmatine. It seems to decrease tolerance to basically everything and reduce withdrawal effects. Plus my memory is improved, my sleep is better, and mostly due to the previous two factors, I have vivid dreams that I can remember.
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I'm not a homosexual because I have straight s*x with a man and I like men. But I'm straight because I prefer women's peepees and love having s*x with them. I'm a homophobe because I can't have it.
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I’m high on life
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No THC?
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I don't really enjoy the effects, but I keep some around for when I get sick. It makes me feel way better when I have a cold or Covid.
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