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Supreme Court gun case just dropped!

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

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Tl;dr this doesn't affect shall issue states. They just ruled that "may issue" was unconstitutional. States can still require licensing

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The State of New York makes it a crime to possess a firearm without a license, whether inside or outside the home. An individual who wants to carry a firearm outside his home may obtain an unrestricted license to “have and carry” a concealed “pistol or revolver” if he can prove that “proper cause exists” for doing so. N. Y. Penal Law Ann. §400.00(2)(f ). An applicant satisfies the “proper cause” requirement only if he can “demonstrate a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community.” E.g., In re Klenosky, 75 App. Div. 2d 793, 428 N. Y. S. 2d 256, 257.

Petitioners Brandon Koch and Robert Nash are adult, law-abiding New York residents who both applied for unrestricted licenses to carry a handgun in public based on their generalized interest in self-defense. The State denied both of their applications for unrestricted licenses, allegedly because Koch and Nash failed to satisfy the “proper cause” requirement. Petitioners then sued respondents—state officials who oversee the processing of licensing applications—for declaratory and injunctive relief, alleging that respondents violated their Second and Fourteenth Amendment rights by denying their unrestricted-license applications for failure to demonstrate a unique need for self-defense. The District Court dismissed petitioners’ complaint and the Court of Appeals affirmed. Both courts relied on the Second Circuit’s prior de- cision in Kachalsky v. County of Westchester, 701 F. 3d 81, which had sustained New York’s proper-cause standard, holding that the require- ment was “substantially related to the achievement of an important governmental interest.” Id., at 96.

2 NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSN., INC. v. BRUEN Syllabus

Held: New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-de- fense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense. Pp. 8–63.

(1) It is undisputed that petitioners Koch and Nash—two ordi- nary, law-abiding, adult citizens—are part of “the people” whom the Second Amendment protects. See Heller, 554 U. S., at 580. And no party disputes that handguns are weapons “in common use” today for self-defense. See id., at 627. The Court has little difficulty concluding also that the plain text of the Second Amendment protects Koch’s and Nash’s proposed course of conduct—carrying handguns publicly for self-defense. Nothing in the Second Amendment’s text draws a home/public distinction with respect to the right to keep and bear arms, and the definition of “bear” naturally encompasses public carry. Moreover, the Second Amendment guarantees an “individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation,” id., at 592, and confrontation can surely take place outside the home. Pp. 23–24.

If the last decade of Second Amendment litigation has taught this Court anything, it is that federal courts tasked with making such difficult empirical judgments regarding firearm regulations under the banner of “intermediate scru- tiny” often defer to the determinations of legislatures. But while that judicial deference to legislative interest balanc- ing is understandable—and, elsewhere, appropriate—it is not deference that the Constitution demands here. The Sec- ond Amendment “is the very product of an interest balanc- ing by the people” and it “surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms” for self-defense. Heller, 554 U. S., at 635. It is this balance—struck by the traditions of the American peo- ple—that demands our unqualified deference.

Heller further confirmed that the right to “bear arms” refers to the right to “wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.” Id., at 584 (quoting Mus- carello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125, 143 (1998) (Gins- burg, J., dissenting); internal quotation marks omitted).

This definition of “bear” naturally encompasses public carry. Most gun owners do not wear a holstered pistol at their hip in their bedroom or while sitting at the dinner ta- ble. Although individuals often “keep” firearms in their home, at the ready for self-defense, most do not “bear” (i.e., carry) them in the home beyond moments of actual confron- tation. To confine the right to “bear” arms to the home would nullify half of the Second Amendment’s operative protections.

Throughout modern Anglo-American history, the right to keep and bear arms in public has tra- ditionally been subject to well-defined restrictions govern- ing the intent for which one could carry arms, the manner of carry, or the exceptional circumstances under which one could not carry arms. But apart from a handful of late- 19th-century jurisdictions, the historical record compiled by respondents does not demonstrate a tradition of broadly prohibiting the public carry of commonly used firearms for self-defense. Nor is there any such historical tradition lim- iting public carry only to those law-abiding citizens who demonstrate a special need for self-defense.9 We conclude that respondents have failed to meet their burden to iden- tify an American tradition justifying New York’s proper- cause requirement. Under Heller’s text-and-history stand- ard, the proper-cause requirement is therefore unconstitu- tional.

To summarize: The historical evidence from antebellum America does demonstrate that the manner of public carry was subject to reasonable regulation. Under the common law, individuals could not carry deadly weapons in a man- ner likely to terrorize others. Similarly, although surety statutes did not directly restrict public carry, they did pro- vide financial incentives for responsible arms carrying. Fi- nally, States could lawfully eliminate one kind of public carry—concealed carry—so long as they left open the option to carry openly.

After the Civil War, of course, the exercise of this funda- mental right by freed slaves was systematically thwarted. This Court has already recounted some of the Southern abuses violating blacks’ right to keep and bear arms.

At the end of this long journey through the Anglo-American history of public carry, we conclude that respondents have not met their burden to identify an American tradition jus- tifying the State’s proper-cause requirement. The Second Amendment guaranteed to “all Americans” the right to bear commonly used arms in public subject to certain reasona- ble, well-defined restrictions. Heller, 554 U. S., at 581. Those restrictions, for example, limited the intent for which one could carry arms, the manner by which one carried arms, or the exceptional circumstances under which one could not carry arms, such as before justices of the peace and other government officials. Apart from a few late-19th- century outlier jurisdictions, American governments simply have not broadly prohibited the public carry of commonly used firearms for personal defense. Nor, subject to a few late-in-time outliers, have American governments required law-abiding, responsible citizens to “demonstrate a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community” in order to carry arms in public. Klenosky, 75 App. Div., at 793, 428 N. Y. S. 2d, at 257.

The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self- defense is not “a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guaran- tees.” McDonald, 561 U. S., at 780 (plurality opinion). We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government offic-ers some special need. That is not how the First Amend- ment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self- defense.

New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Four- teenth Amendment in that it prevents law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right to keep and bear arms. We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further pro- ceedings consistent with this opinion.

Kavanaugh concurring:

First, the Court’s decision does not prohibit States from imposing licensing requirements for carrying a handgun for self-defense. In particular, the Court’s decision does not af- fect the existing licensing regimes—known as “shall-issue” regimes—that are employed in 43 States


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>Nope. Guns are not needed and you don’t deserve one. I promise you your guns are not safe from us and you’re going to have to use them to keep us from taking them from you. Well you would have to but we both know you don’t have the balls to kill and you will surrender your guns like a good little boy.

>Nah frick guns. Kill me with one if you want, I won’t resist, but while I’m alive I will never stop working to remove your ability to kill someone at the push of a button. If you let me live long enough I will help take your guns away. I promise.

>We will never stop working to take your guns. The only way to stop us is to shoot us and we both know you don’t have the balls to use your guns on us.

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Looking forward to the seethe this will generate :marseywholesome:

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NY: Nooooo we're all going to die now that people can get a license to carry a gun after passing a background check :soycry:

My state: If you are 21 and not a felon, you may carry a gun with no license needed :gigachad2:

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Suck my fricking peepee Ew York. Worst place in the country next to commiefornia. No respect or dignity given to those who chose to remain there

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In practice, men needed to show a New York judge a minimum of a thousand online death threats in order to demonstrate a need for concealed carry.

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either that or some nice titties

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Oh no! Yt people can carry guns now. They might attack , completely unprovoked I might add, BIPOC who hustle and bustle.

How can Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas support this? That Uncle Tom is so racist

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I paid for nine entries into the Oregon Trail, and I only got one. Then he doesn't even give me a scam badge.

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I will never carry a gun. If someone wants me to die well they can go ahead and kill me because I’m definitely not going to risk killing anyone myself. I just hope they do it quick with no torture.

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>this and unironically

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Causal fate is a totalizing concept, you can't actually use it to justify anything. The acceptance of fate is just another link in the causal chain. It does not absolve you of responsibility or what we know as agency.


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I'm a spineless wimp who cares more about the safety of my potential murderer than myself

At that point you just sound suicidal, not brave.

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The /r/law thread is juicy.

https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/viycpl/in_a_63_ruling_by_justice_thomas_the_court_holds/?sort=controversial

concealed carry permit holders commit fewer firearm homicides than the police.

the violence policy center cited 801 homicides by a concealed carry holder in 2019. that year the police killed 1,004 people. again, that's not from some conservative thinktank that's from the violence policy center, which is like using the right to life foundation to pull stats on abortion.

“Fewer homicides than the single largest group responsible for gun homicides” is a heck of a metric.

I wonder if there's a different group that commits far more homicides than the police.

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At least it will be easier for LGBTQ people to carry to defend ourselves against homophobes and transphobes.

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You’d think die hard progressives would have heard of Pink Pistols lmao

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I’d actually start respecting 🚂 if they did this

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Vermont is the only state that has never required any type of permit to carry a gun

The first to legalize civil unions

And there is no law against public nudity

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Livestream of legal analysis from lawyer who does this kind of thing

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It's crazy how bad reddit has become that subs like this have turned into such trash.

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Lmao they are using the 14th?

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No. It could seem that way from the actual text of the ruling, but its clear from the majority that this was done using language from the juneteenth.

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The 14th is basically used to sue states for violating constitutional rights. It wasn’t intended when the it was added but legalcels saw a new toy and did their thing.

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Yeah, but the funny thing is how conservatives have bitched about the 14th being used as an umbrella for protecting liberal backed rights, preparing to strike down the umbrella for abortion rights (and maybe gay marriage rights later), and then repurpose the umbrella for gun rights.

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We should make freez peach licenses to use twitter and give them to everyone who doesn’t work as a journo.


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This ruling is shit

They didn't legalize constitutional carry nationwide, they just struck down the proper cause requirement in May Issue states. It doesn't affect shall issue states


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Imagine a court behaving like a court and deciding the matters of the case instead of overreaching to right all the wrongs in the world.

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what we really need is MORE activism from the bench, to give people their rights!

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They spent 40 pages sneeding about courts treating the second amendment as a second class right and then proceeded to treat the second amendment as a second class right


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They decided the case, stop malding about it.

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I have no interest in owning a gun so none of this affects me

But I will sneed anyways in the spirit of radical centrism


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I shouldn't tell someone to not sneed, it's dramaphobic. Carry on then.

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Oh that was the actual ruling? I didn’t read it, I assumed it was the NY license case.


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Yeah it's the NY license case

NY made people show "proper cause" to get a license

Requiring licenses is still constitutional, they just struck down the proper cause requirement


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Pretty wild that this is causing so much seethe when it's just saying you can't deny black people licenses for no stated reason

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