These are not Halloween decorations. This is a calendar produced by Russian FSB and intended for sale.

I wonder why Xi Jinping is there, not Kim Jong Un. pic.twitter.com/cw9D8FY7Cs

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) October 31, 2024

Putin is shorter there, what does that mean?

Wagner member gets stomped by locals in occupied Luhansk. pic.twitter.com/i9DweCxnGJ

— BroSINT 69™ (@osint_69) October 31, 2024

No, he is right.

— 🕊️Christian 🇺🇦 Weichselbaum (@WeichselChris) October 31, 2024

Good luck under Russia ocupation, maybe you prefer russian values.

— Vojtech (@VojtechPr) October 31, 2024

That guy isn't even ukraininan he's a bong

Russian T-80BVM get's hit by a Javelin in 2022.
(Filmed by the tank behind). pic.twitter.com/nifPRCx2hE

— T-90K (@T_90AK) October 30, 2024

As you can see on the list, only one Patriot system has been delivered and that one is from 2022, if I remember correctly. Biden announced another patriot system in June 2024, but it seems that that's exactly one of those AA systems Ukraine is still waiting for.

: America, can you give us that Patriot system we talked about? We could really use it right now.

: Nope, sorry Ukraine. I'm too busy sending another THAAD to Israel, you understand of course.

: Oh...

Interesting bit of news from a month(ish) ago - the EU promised Ukraine 1 million shells in March '23 but as of September 30th, has only been able to deliver ~30% of it 🙃

: Is anyone actually making that munition we promised to give to Ukraine?

: Lol, no.

just send in NATO troops already and settle this conflict. we know what russia does as time goes on, no need to give them more time to "debate" pulling out of ukraine

Lots of angry comments here

Dude needs to keep down the whinging for a week or so unless he wants all the aid stopped.

And here

Who cares. They should fight strategically not with so much volume of consumption.

>slavs

>fighting strategically

I have vague memories of a pumpkin faced man telling Europe they need to up their military spending and be laughed at for it back in 2016

You mean when he tried to claim the increased spending by European nations as his own work while it was exactly on the schedule Obama negotiated?

Nato's military doctrine is to gain aerial superiority and subsequently crush opponents through a combined arms means. It's fundamentally not designed for prolonged artillery satuation like we are seeing in ukraine, as such nato countries have not had much reason to manufacture artillery at scale prior to this war since it was not how nato planned to fight any war its directly involved in.

: Wtf are you people even doing at this point?

If the race really is as close as it is or Trump does win it, Bidens last act needs to be donating all the US's aircraft carriers, Tomahawks and F35s to Ukraine.

Democracy will fail either way but at least this way we go down fighting.

How is giving up all your shit and doing nothing else going down fighting?

So, the Federal Government is shelling out the money to defense contractors and the Pentagon but only 10% of the actual hardware is getting delivered?

So who is stealing the remaining 90%?

This is the kind of thing firing squads were invented for.

Didn't pack the rockets to Ukraine fast enough? Straight to firing squad you go

That's a bit of a reach. The items just haven't been delivered yet. I placed an order online 2 days ago, 0% of my order has been delivered today, it looks like it's en route and when UPS drops it off 100% of my order will be delivered.

That doesn't mean 100% of my order has currently been stolen.

We can certainly talk about lead times, delays, etc. which can be a problem, but what reason do we have to assume 90% has been stolen?

I want to see the Amazon tracking for billions in military hardware en-route to Ukraine.

Especially the photo of all of it sitting on Zelensky's doorstep.

Consider this, the shortest route is off the east coast of the US. Shipping was shut down for a while. Then also take into consideration that Customs can take a REALLY FREAKING LONG TIME for non-military shipments and requires detailed information. Now if it goes through an anti-Ukranian country then they can make the process take over a year for customs to clear it to pass. Now add the other countries en route. What does that mean? Shipping is a -b-word- when it comes to moving military equipment.

Why the shit would America's weapons go through an anti-Ukraine country?

youre assuming things

Yep. And I will continue to assume them while the evidence appears to support the assumption.

I will un-assume them when the missing 90% of aid winds up where it is supposed to be.

Yeah, imagine assuming defense contracts are bloated sham deals where many individuals line their pockets.

You could just check the GAO's high risk list and associated assessments and see the US gov confirm, with research, the vulnerabilities of DOD contracting to boated sham deals and individual enrichment, across seven broad DOD-related entries.

That's not what it's reporting, and you darn well know that... Why blatantly lie? The GAO's report is on high risk projects and programs, such as ambitious programs that are likely too demanding on technology, or a way too low ball deal.

The willingness of people to blatantly lie when their own sources call them a liar is baffling, yet here you are... Pathetic and shameful

I actually don't think OP is lying he's just really dumb lol

Just reddit things

??? they are just slow at transferring the material to Ukraine, nobody is stealing it

The argument goes on if you're curious

The U.S. military has noted repeatedly that readiness stocks have been dangerously depleted and that manufacturing is not keeping pace with replacements necessary before releasing further stocks. Add in Israeli requirements and this is no surprise. The US is not going to jeopardize its own defense for Ukraine, no matter what

: Look Ukraine, not sending weapons to Israel is a threat to America, ok?

: But America...

Defending Ukraine is defending the US.

Lmao

LMAO. Yall are wild with your takes. What makes you think that Russia could do anything to the US?

The political experts on /r/worldnews have tried to answer this but they used too many and I'm too lazy to copypaste everything

Right - just like Vietnam was defending the US. What's NATO membership if you get all the benefits without all the costs and don't even have to join? The Pentagon gave up on the domino theory 4 decades ago, old timer

if they were in NATO there would be F22s and 35s flying over Ukraine carrying out fire missions and the Russian fleet would have been sunk 2 years earlier.

also, pentagon doesn't determine policy. they enact it.

"[The P]entagon doesn't determine policy" - that's a good one, I'll tell that one the next time I get together with my DOD colleagues -ex military, DOD

who controls the pentagon/DOD? who controls their funding?

do they have their own policies? sure. but they answer to the President and Congress. They can't just on their own decide (legally) "hey lets start giving weapons to Thailand and do strikes into Zimbabwe." only the CIA is allowed to do that (/j).

You really are clueless, aren't you? Start with Eisenhower and his warnings about the military industrial complex; move on to the Pentagon Papers… I love you armchair warriors who have never even been inside the Pentagon, where the birds are making the coffee

Although I will grant you that the president gets to choose which Pentagon-formulated policies to implement. That is why the generals didn't like Trump, btw, because he would always choose the craziest and most belligerent policy. After a while, they stopped giving him choices. As for Congress, they don't get squat, other than appropriating funds (which never, never are opposed because "not supporting the troops" is a political death sentence.)

Does the Pentagon control the White House? Or vice versa?

Seems the US don't think so. China is the pivot and war is coming with Taiwan being the hot spot.

: But after you're done sending weapons to Israel can you give me some too?

: Nope, I plan to go bully China next.

The US must be intentionally sandbagging then. There is no reason the US military, of all organizations on earth, should have any problem moving vast amounts of war material around the globe.

And when the war first started, they was little delay on sending aid, too. Why would there be a bunch of bureaucratic red tape getting in the way now? Frick all that overhead, just put it on a darn ship and send it.

I mean, we failed to move out of Afghanistan effectively despite a year's warning. We pulled out the troops last second, leaving everyone else and all the equipment high and dry.

I think this shows that our military leadership is woefully incompetent right now, either because of red tape or because of extreme stupidity. I don't think they are sandbagging aid.

The US military cold be incompetent - but not because of what happened in Afghanistan. The US went there with the intent to create a new Afghanistan and much of the equipment was to maintain that. What was left in the country was mostly because of practicality and cost, or already given to the Afghan government - although still arguably wasteful.

This particular problem in Ukraine has less to do with military competence and more to do with sand-bagging, or red tape, from bureaucracy.

I guess you could say that could be interpreted as incompetence. I would consider someone mailing a bullet on friday when they should've sent it on monday but got lazy as incompetence. And someone wanting to mail a bullet on monday but can't until friday because contract changes, procurement, or a politician as red tape.

The issue isn't the equipment that would have cost more to ship home than to write off, it was the fact that a small presence could have safeguarded against a resurgent taliban, once it became apparent they were not honoring their part of the deal, and mainly the fact that we pulled out so fast that we left 10s of thousands of interpreters and "collaborators" behind to be murdered. Yes, Afghanistan failed when karzai was chosen and inadvertently overly favored by the us for too long, but the people that were left to fall prey to taliban retribution is the national shame that we carry. But honestly, only a small number of troops could have held off a taliban government being re established, biden and Trump just really wanted entirely out.

Don't feel the least bit of shame. A country that can't prop it self up after 2 decades is their own problem.

: You know what? I'm sick of this shit and I'm leaving. The Taliban can have all the equipment for all I care, unlike you they earned it I guess.

: Wait, America, please!

: Gib America's weapons!

They don't have any logistics problems supplying Israel though.

No

At least there is no parts supply chain to keep those vehicles and such running well. Much of it was disabled before leaving

Now the equipment left by the ANA? Most was likely not disabled.

Imo the only thing it shows is that the pull out should have been properly negotiated and prepared for by the person who negotiated it. It also shows the US will still honor it's agreements.

Could it have been better? Probably. There were a lot of issues that started with the agreement made by the previous admin.

Who's to blame for the embarrassing Afghanistan pull out? Trump or Biden?

Israel, they have used up all the US's missile interceptors, artillery shells, etc for their greater Israel campaign.

Like fighting a war with somebody else's weapons is a bad thing

The West has proven itself to be both unwilling and unprepared to respond appropriately to the threat posed by Russia and Putin has been able to run rings around both the US and the EU. Will the larger NATO partners actually defend smaller states like the Baltic States with more than words if and when Russia decides that it's time to chance its arm.

I keep seeing this take, but I was actually impressed at how fast NATO reacted to this war despite owning Ukraine nothing. If anything it proved that if NATO is willing to go this far out for a non-NATO country then it's willing to rain heck for an actual member

If the Ukraine soldiers arent trained for all the new weapons. Its a waste to send them now. Just like the F16 fighters they are getting. It takes time to train personel to maintain and fly those things.

Which equipment ? It's been 2 years, they have been trained on most pledged equipment.

: We trained you to fight in modern planes, what more do you want?

: The actual planes too?

: Oh yea sure, just give us another year or so! We promise!

(we don't have a NATO marsey unfortunately )

Funny that you mentioned it. USA also restricted the number of Ukrainian pilots it trained. https://kyivindependent.com/delays-to-f-16-training-ukrainian-mp-says/

That's a very old article and misleading. The US didn't 'restrict' Ukrainians from training. The US didn't have slots in the foreign pilot training programs because they are booked far in advance by other nations. Also Ukraine did not have enough English fluent pilots advanced enough to go straight into F-16 training. The training is only done in English.

Therefore, the US opened another F-16 training program in Romania to accommodate more pilots and they began training Ukrainian pilots from scratch. Training from scratch adds an extra year onto the training. But there weren't any more Ukrainian candidates that could start at the B-Course level, which is the course where you start actually flying the F-16.

: Right, look what we're gonna do. You'll train alongside one of your neighbours.

: Sure! Do we get more american soldiers in our country is we do this?

: You'll have to pay for all of this...

: No problem! I'll mooch the money back from the EU at some point.

: But what about the actual planes?

Because the pipeline is already tight as most us allies train their fighter pilots in the us. I mean I take your point, but when you state it like that it sounds like some sabotage campaign.

: We can train them too now! EU gib money!

: Really?

: It's for the safety of us all!

The pattern I noticed is the entire war effort is dependant on US and Europe doesn't care

US gives guns, Europe gives money. US aid is govt funding to buy stuff from US-based companies to then send to Ukraine. If the US govt pledges weapon packages in the form of pledge to buy from local aka US suppliers, but the guns do not end up in Ukraine, how is this Europe's problem?

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

The clearly end up in Ukraine, that list of what's been delivered by the US is massive. Something your country can't say.

Unpopular opinion - these delays exist for the same reason the Justice Department has done frick-all about domestic terrorism and Republican sedition for four years. Biden is a gutless do-nothing kitty that is soft on real crime that threatens our national security and that of our would-be allies. He is so old, feeble, senile, and out of touch he won't lift a finger to challenge those who are attacking our democracy and sandbagging/obstructing aid to Ukraine.

Our only hope is that Harris successfully stops the steal, fires Garland, rolls heads at the corrupt DOJ, FBI, and Pentagon and starts the real work of purging Federal power structures of traitors who have for too long aligned with Trump, Putin and other agents actively destroying our country.

Kamala will save America!

I wish my country just surrendered and gave green corridor for Russia to attack Europe. All we get is words of encouragement and pressure to lower our conscription age to send more of our men to die. I just read that North Korea handed over to Russia 6 million shells. FRICK THIS SHIT.

I live close to the frontline. I am so fking tired. My life was good. Better than most americans and europeans. Living standards were pretty high. I refuse to be a refugee, life in europe is a downgrade. I think we chose wrong allies. North Korea and Iran have no problems delivering what's needed.

You can always surrender

Ask Europe.

In-depth breakdown of the EU/US contribution

This shit is just getting pathetic. Has been pathetic.

Frick the GOP, frick the Putin sycophants, frick the authoritarian enablers stealing Ukrainian lives for votes.

Does he know that Biden is president?

Can supply the genocidal israelis but not Ukraine. This is deliberate and if Ukraine falls then NATO is done. Who is going to trust the Americans and I guarantee every NATO country, except maybe Canada, will drop out. America will be isolated and the world will be at war. I'm not keen in dying in atomic hellfire and I hope the Americans get their heads out of their asses and are honest to their word for once.

The US maintains stockpiles in Israel.

Lol what? Ukraine is not part of NATO, so Ukraine falling isn't going to affect it.

You can't help this non-NATO country! You need to help this other non-NATO country or NATO is finished!

Meanwhile, another 100 billion to Israel!

: Problem?

England has given over 1.6 BILLION, and a lot of that money has been misplaced according to Ukraine

Hmm. Lies.

Google it also you've got a few weird things on your profile p-do

Look, copious amounts of alcohol is a human right, chud

Wrong! They should have much more by now!

Probably using those funds for some other shady shit

This article is about military equipment pledged but not delivered, not funds.

Like an eastern european country couldn't find a way to do shady shit with equipment. This is an insult at this point!

On bad days, Mykytenko will ask her sergeants to take over, and she'll spend the day watching Harry Potter movies.

These are things that are better kept private good grief

Too lazy to do the rest myself but look through it, it's fricking funny

!eurochads !BIPOCs

The last few weeks have been pretty bad for Ukraine unfortunately They finally seem to run out of steam, both in Kursk and their own territories, Trump seems more and more likely to win the election, and Russia is receiving new munition and troops from other countries while they are still fighting alone and need to deal with lots of restrictions from it's allies. NATO starts to show signs of getting bored with the conflict and America clearly wants to focus more on the Middle East than Russia right now. Even the pro-Ukraine twitter accounts are posting less things, and lots of them are either fluff or complaining about Ukraine's allies. And with Vuhledar's fall Ukraine is slowly losing Donetsk too. Tbf Russia isn't doing well either and it's obvious that the war and the sanctions are biting hard and that they too can't keep this up any longer. The war is coming to an end and Ukraine will lose Donbas and Donetsk but will keep the rest of it's country. A resolution that leaves no one happy - both countries destroyed their economy and decimated their population only for both lose the war. NATO is the only winner in this conflict

Even with being in NATO we still depend a lot on Ukraine for protection against Russia since they are a big country and a really good land shield for keeping Russia at a reasonable distance. So since the first signs of Ukraine (and Kamala) faltering have appeared I took a break from slavshit to deal with the reality. Thanks to Israel for offering a lot of very entertaining distractions while I was busy coping and seething But now I'm done going thorough the stages of grief, and just in time! Redditors and twittards are too starting to realize that Ukraine is losing the war. They haven't accepted it fully yet so there will plenty of salt coming in for months now

Emotions don't matter now when there is drama to mine!

Has anyone confirmed North Koreans military are on the ground in the war. Seems like a disinformation campaign so NATO can justify further escaltion.

Everyone is because NATO isn't doing enough and this guy complains about escalation. Redditors weren't happy

1 - How exactly NATO boosting Ukraine?

2 - Ok, lets say NATO somehow boosting Ukraine, where Ukraine going to find new soldiers after 3 years of war and losing many best soldiers?

Western aid not enough to equip 'even 4 out of 14' underarmed brigades needed on the front, Zelensky says

lol "Zelensky says" and maybe read the article again those 14 brigades don't actually exist.

They do exists and they have been trained for counteroffensive in 2023, they just did receive any equipment

Zelensky has been as honest as any head of state enmeshed in an existential war can be expected to be. Your derisive air quotes don't do anything to make you appear to be a knowledgeable or objective onlooker, but I guess you knew that already and just don't care.

Hi Kremlin

Denial is still going strong which means many more drama opportunities in the future

Ukraine has received more than 300 billion dolllars in aid since Russia invaded and almost all of it has been from NATO countries. That's a pretty big boost. If they wanted NATO boots on the ground in the event of an invasion they needed to join NATO instead of choosing to remain neutral.

They did want to join NATO, but you generally can't join NATO with major ongoing territorial disputes

Obviously they wanted to join NATO after they got invaded. That's not how a defensive alliance works though. It's like trying to buy homeowner's insurance after your house already burned down. The whole system would fall apart if no one contributed and everyone just took as much as they need only when they need it.

Bro the world doesn't work like you think it does. I say it without sarcasm or "goal to offend you". The world is divided (zones of influence) and much more dependence.

Reading the history is the key to knowing why everything you can see these times is like that. It's more complicated than it seems to be.

he world works exactly the way we're seeing it work right now.

None of the NATO countries are happy about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. That's why they're sending hundreds of billions of dollars in aid to prop up the Ukrainian war effort and sanctioning Russia to hinder the Russian war effort.

None of the NATO countries are obligated to defend Ukraine though and that's why none of them will take any decisive action that would directly involve them in the war.

Even something like sending ballistic missiles and giving Ukraine the green light to use them to strike military infrastructure inside of Russia hasn't happened, let alone something like putting actual boots on the ground. If Russia had invaded Estonia instead, the US Navy would have sank Russia's Black Sea fleet by now.

I think what he was trying to elude to was that ukraine never decided in a vacuum to not join nato. There have been calls for moving towards nato and the eu since ukraines inception, but russia has been running kgb and shadow warfare on ukraine for decades trying to control them. All this election interference we've been seeing in the west is relatively new by comparison, but russia has been trying to puppeteer ukraine since it's inception, to the point where ukraine has had to have multiple "revolutions" to throw off the shackles their politicians would repeatedly attempt to put on them in driving them towards russia and away from nato and the eu against their will. Yes, ukraine is not in nato, but if russia slaughters it's way through ukraine, multiple more nato member states are now at direct risk and collectively will require much higher defense spending anyway just to fortify a new border with russia where one did not exist previously, let alone the implications on everything else including the black sea, ukraines resources being martialed and exploited solely for a russian war economy, ukraine currently having the strongest army in Europe that's remnants would be turned around to the west after a russian victory. Russia has a fricked perspective, not grounded in reality, to the point where the decision maker(s) really thought the Ukrainians were going to welcome the russian army as liberators. Then there're the implications on allowing russias brutal methods of rewriting ethnic and national identities of the conquered, sporadic use of gas warfare and nuclear blackmail, using food as a weapon for imperial growth, all allowed to succeed. 300b is not a lot if you look at collective defense spending either. If we treat it as such and use it as a reason to stop support, then we either signal that conquest will be ultimately met with eventual boredom and submission, or all that was needed for a quick victory was more intrusive and insidious shadow warfare predating an even larger and more prepared invasion to achieve a quick fate accompli.

So again, yes, ukraine is not a nato member, but they are as close to being one and an eu member as is possible without full acceptance at this point, and the fall out from the end of the war will directly effect nato security one way or another, potentially aiding to kill the eu as well. The money spent on gwot makes our aid to Ukraine look like a half measure only meant to inconvenience a resurgent and growing russian threat.

Lots of cope

NATO considers organizing a summit where they will issue a strongly worded declaration stating that if russia crosses another red line, they will seriously consider considering some more considerations. That'll show'em!

And people joke about Chinese warnings.

Or russian red lines. Yes, sadly. We're no better.

As far as NATO is concerned we are not at war so we don't need to bother too much

What happened to our leaders? They let the bullies get away with things. Maybe social media messed up every one. I can't recall a solid leader right now. The only that comes to mind is Zelensky.

We are not at war but Zelensky is

Ukraine needs to start twisting arms to get aid at this point. Whats being provided isn't enough and its allies hesitate to provide anything more substantial due to imaginary red lines. No one wants the war brought to the Korean peninsula, so I'd start there.

Ukraine bombing Kim would be very entertaining

We joke, but what's the alternative? Go to war with a nuclear super power?

I don't want to fight in that war, do you?

1938 argument.

No, the whole idea is that if we show russia strength now then we will not have to go to (much bigger) fight later. And we are still in a position where we can do that without sacrificing a single soldier, by mostly giving out stockpiles of obsolete weapons, without restrictions.

ATACMS (without stupid limits), Tomahawks, all the F-16s we have (still cheaper than scraping them as part of F-35 replacement programs). Stupid quantities of legacy Patriots for defense. Ukraine will do the job for us and is willing to sacrifice its soldiers.

And you know what? russia won't do shit about it. There will be just more and more "red lines" and desperate pleas for help from "superpowers" like Iran or North Korea, but, as the world realizes we're serious about it, that will eventually run out too.

The only language russia understands is force. Look at Turkey. As much as I despise Erdogan as a piece of shit, he understands this. Remember what they did in 2015. Somehow, this did not result in a nuclear war.

NATO clearly doesn't want a quick and decisive Ukraine victory and prefers to slowly bleed Russia dry. Potentially it would even try to keep the conflict open far longer than either countries can truly fight, locking them together in a spiralling economic collapse. This will keep Russia busy and less likely to chimp out at an important state

"Considers"🤦🏼‍♂️

It's like they're still not reading the room...

Yeah, unless they are going full send I don't want to hear another fricking word from them. Words words words, meanwhile Ukrainians are dying everyday.

Such is the life of a proxy

They don't have to. The grand sum of frick all is clear to see.

The weapons supplied haven't been sufficient. Ukraine is not allowed to attack useful targets.

NATO wants Russia to collapse, not Ukraine to win.

Yes

I think we all know by now that one of the only ways NATO gets involved is if they come under a direct, focused and sustained attack. I forget if this was NATO or France that said they would intervene if they saw Ukraine start to get overrun but I highly doubt that even then they would intervene.

The purpose of NATO is also to respond if member nations are attacked. I wish NATO would do more, sure, but this is still helpful

While it wasn't a direct attack, multiple drones and missiles have landed on the territory of Romania and Poland, both NATO member nations. I don't even think NATO said anything in either of those incidents. The only country with any balls surprisingly, was Belarus because they shot a drone down.

Really says a lot when Belarus is the one taking action when their airspace is violated.

We actually shot one drone down too recently. We generally ignore them and let them pass over but this one was about to crash in a town or something so we smacked it out of the sky

Maybe because other than the drones in Romania which the investigation was inconclusive, the whole Russian missiles are landing in Poland was PROVEN to be Ukrainian air defense missiles landing in Poland.

Do you have a link the supposed proof?

I for one would be curious to know how an air defense missile ends up in Poland.

And as far as the drones go, it was conclusive that they crashed into Romania. There is no doubt about that.And that has happened multiple times, not just once.

Not only has that happened but you have the dozens of times where Russian aircraft have entered the airspace over the Aleutian islands, which last I checked, belong to the US. You have the Russian jets that were messing with the US drone over the Black Sea, in international waters too.

Point is, NATO should be doing more. Instead, they show themselves to be pretty toothless. All bark and no bite whatsoever. There is no point in having NATO if it doesn't do anything when it is necessary.

are still bitching about those drones btw

Considers just means they haven't had the meeting to officially make the decision yet.

How many years is that going to take? Why aren't plans already in place?

No way in heck I'd trust NATO holding up their end of a M.A.D. scenario. Needs replacing ASAP.

Replace NATO with what?

I support the (European) military industrial complex

Ukraine needs all the support they can get, and they deserve getting it

Speaking of, it was funny seeing some american nationalists go "go get your own defence" and as soon as Europeans try to set up their own instead of relying on USA they're like "Why aren't you buying our equipment?"

"go get your own, as long as its from us" 😁

cant please everyone i guess... i consider it vitally important to be able to repair and replace everything we possibly can, and have enough manufacturing capacity in europe to sustain a full blown conflict, long term, if we end up in one

dont get me wrong, i LOVE american hardware, most of it is pretty great... but we just need the capacity

Exactly. The shortage of munitions in Ukraine should tell you everything that you need to know about the importance of European weapons production. The USA does not make enough missiles and ammunition for even a regional war, much less a global one.

I mean, they probably do. Mass manufacturing has historically been one of the US's greatest strengths in wartime.

But they also didn't exactly send everything they had, and there are compatibility issues between US stockpiles and the (former) Soviet equipment used in Ukraine.

That comes back to your point about European manufacturing, tho - Poland and other former Soviet states are likely already stockpiling and equipped to produce compatible munitions, and I think have been supplying them to Ukraine.

So you seriously think the United States should have sent everything they had? LOL

No? Just that what the US sent isn't representative of what the US has.

Europe finally getting off it's butt and investing in it's military is definitely one of the best parts of this conflict

Well Europe could develop its own sophisticated, self-reliant MIC, but then most of those military innovation secrets are going to end up in Russia's and China's possessions anyway, considering how many officials in Europe are so keen to sell out their countries and all the people they represent for money and alliances with dictators.

LOL Europe has had 3 years to develop and expand it defense manufacturing why hasn't it improved significantly?

EU excels at strangling itself with paperwork

And how exactly did China build up its economy..? Something to do with all those American companies like Apple and Tesla outsourcing high tech production to take advantage of cheap Chinese labour...

What does that have to do with Europe being a playground for Russian and Chinese espionage?

Why would they need to come to Europe for espionage, when American billionaires gave them everything to increase their profit margins...?

You must think companies only exist in the us or something.

It's nice to see redditors defend America for once

THEY NEED TROOPS. Weapons mean frick all of they don't enough men to overwhelm Russia and break through the frontlines

Careful, people dont like reading that, theyre gonna call you a warmonger and tell you to go volunteer instead of discussing it :-)

I agree, theyre fighting for us too, and no matter what reaction that evokes in people, its a pretty clearly visible reality at this point.

Putler is escalating, and were sitting on our asses letting him stretch out any imagined boundary and the war as a whole.

>I agree, theyre fighting for us too

Yes, they are NATO's proxy, and the whole point of a proxy is that they get to fight and die while you watch on from a safe distance

Can we stop with the whole day-late dollar-short approach to this war? As soon as the intel on outside soldiers was known, there should have been an announcement that proceeding would result in limitations being removed from Ukraine. And the follow through when Putin inevitably escalates.

It really does seem the west is weak of will. What the frick have we (the US) been spending all this goddarn money on for the past 80 years if not to defend against this kind of shit?

But America doesn't need to defend itself from anything?

Before you rush on even considering making a decision NATO it's probably worth having a few discussions first and then you can think about maybe holding a vote. Make sure any 'group' decision can be overruled by a country with the power to veto though as it won't be fair otherwise.

Oh actually, it's probably better to have an initial meeting in the first instance just to raise the issue so that everyone comes prepared. Ask Janet in the office to check everyone's calendars to find a time which suits everyone, but if there's no date soon don't worry, Ukraine can wait. They've shown they can be patient.

Actually, it might be worth just sending an email first to warn people that Janet will be in touch. Give them a couple of weeks notice though. Stacey can probably send the email, but she's on leave until next week, don't rush her though, let her settle back in as she'll likely have a few jobs to catch up on.

Just bear in mind its the holiday season coming up too... So if the initial meeting to talk about the proposed discussion to potentially consider a possible decision needs to be delayed until the New Year when everyone is back that's understandable.

Ukraine is not NATo. That's it, that's the answer

I hope they do, it's sad that Western countries care way less about Ukraine now, and I wish the media focused more on Ukraine than the Middle East

Why is that? Because the Ukrainians are white and the Palestinians brown?

Because arabs and now persians trying and failing to exterminate israel since 1948 isn't exactly surprising news anymore, maybe. Sudan, ukraine, yemen, and Myanmar are far more relevant to current affairs than hamas still not willing to release the hostages and swear off future attacks on israel as soon as the idf leaves gaza.

Bonus sandshit

Considers and not doing. Boy you are really making it tough for Russia. So tough I don't know why they would continue.....oh right. We are now at the point of sending mean tweets and emails. Please South Korea. Step up further since it seems NATO the mighty NATO is frozen with fear or something.

Cool, potential new proxy

Yip, that's about right. Everyone is considering this and considering that, hence the reason why Russia has taken a fair bit of Ukranian territory this year. Delay, delay, delay, and like every other time you finally get to a decision, it will be about 6 months too late.

This is how it has and is being played by nato meanwhile Ukraine suffers mightily

Should have considered joining NATO sooner

Can we stop considering shit? Start doing shit.

There has been a lot of considering going on last 3 years.

Considers. Brilliant.

Be in no doubt, we are in the midst of a great betrayal. And we'll all be paying for it a decade or two from now.

What betrayal?

Poised? How about already engaged?

Poised? Poised?

Mate they're balls deep.

🤦🏻‍♂️

Look at the bright side, we'll have the opportunity to how the north korean army fights

One minute we are being told NK troops are in ukraine, then one minute we are told they are on the way , then next we are being told loads have been killed in ukraine

Now we are being told they are poised to enter war , sorry if the troops are there, they have already entered the war

We are starting to see a lot of bullshit flying around atm.

Yes, my reaction was 'they already have and we are still "considering" increasing supply to a starved military fighting our primary enemy for us'.

Give them everything they need.

And now they are starting to lose and have outlived their usefulness to NATO, which is why there's very little reaction to North Korea joining Russia. NATO already got everything it wants from this war

Oh NATO, UN, EU, and the US. As an American, I'm very disappointed in us all.

They can always fight alone if they want

Now Ukraine will fight Russia AND NK alone while brave NATO will keep expressing their deep concern about escalation. Or even worse - like what they did when Russian drones fell on Romanian territory. Everyone just pretended it didn't happen.

LOL "alone" a guess almost a half trillion dollars in aid is worthless? And just a quick FYI drones falling out of the sky doesn't trigger an article 5 and the Romanian, U.S., NATO, and EU investigators found ZERO conclusive evidence that those drones were either Russian or Ukrainian.

Article 5 needs to be triggered by the attacked country, NATO can't randomly react. We don't like drones flying over us but don't consider them a mortal danger to the point of dragging the whole NATO into this war

It's almost like many nations want this war to last for decades. I'm sure it has nothing to do with $ and testing weapons.

Nope, nothing at all

are they going to promise more aid and then not deliver it like they did w the patriot batteries?

or give them like 3 more abrams (10% increase) while NK supplies Russia with 2 million 155mm shells and 10,000 troops?

We're not the only country who delayed the patriot system delivery? At least we sent it eventually

Ukraine is gonna lose buttholes do something so that it retains atleast some good portion of its territories

It's not like Russia can afford another three years of this to capture some other part of Ukraine

NATO doesn't have practical ways to reinforce Ukraine. Zelenskyy said that they needed more weapons and ammunition. However, the US's weapon manufacturing speed is nearing the turtles' walk, so Ukraine urged that the Polish government should give the Ukrainian Army made-in-Korean weapons right now. But...the president of Poland rejected it since he said that the Polish Army needed those weapons to protect borders. He announced "Those weapons were purchased by our Polish citizens'precious taxes, so we don't have any reason to try that" Ukraine must make France and Germany donators of weapons. There's no more option right away.

Over half of all tanks donated to Ukraine came from Poland.

is also still being bitched at for not gifting their new weapons to Ukraine

I really don't get why we haven't supported Ukraine into a crushing defeat for Russia two years ago. What's our endgame?

Not have the country with the largest nuclear weapons stockpiles collapsing while at the same time inflicting as much a damage as possible without putting NATO boots on the ground… it's kinda obvious if you have been paying attention for the past 70 years or so.

It's like we learned something from the Cuban Missile Crisis

After a week we will find out if we'll still have Nato

"Considering"? Fricking do it already. Should've happened 2 years ago.

While NATO considers, Russia kills civilians.

Alliance of Kitties and Strongly Worded Letters, no wonder Russia doesn't take NATO seriously, NATO is afraid to show force when its needed, dictatorial Asian country has joined the invasion of democratic European country shouldn't be this tough to respond to, every restriction must be off and must go all-in.

I'm Pro-NATO but this cowardice is embarrassing the "greatest military alliance the world has seen".

And before anyone decide to bring the usual "easy for you to say when you don't get sent to the frontlines", I'm active military in Finland, I'm amongst the first to be sent when the shit hits the fan, and shit will hit the fan sooner than we would like.

Why should the whole Europe go to war because one asian country invaded an european one?

Does anyone know if SK will send troops to Ukraine?

No

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A Russian court has fined the US giant over 20 decillion US dollars (2 undecillion Russian rubles) for failing to restore 17 Russian TV channels on YouTube.

— World of Statistics (@stats_feed) October 29, 2024

If we abandon Ukraine they have to build a nuclear weapon - they'll have no choice. And they have all the material and expertise they need.

Helping Ukraine is how we AVOID escalation.

Give 'em the missiles to end this thing!

Yep Write your representative and ask for continued and expanded support to Ukraine. Let's drive the Russian bastards back to their side of the border.

!pinggrouplovers

I propose we call these new orcs, forcs. They are fun sized orcs, you can fit two in a bag. pic.twitter.com/1qRXPaAzkc

— PuckFutin △✙ꑭ (@UaWarRoom) October 27, 2024

💀 North Korean general dissatisfied with the Russian military command pic.twitter.com/zlsDhGB3Ny

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) October 27, 2024

Yes pic.twitter.com/bwVEi4gheB

— фінський горобчик 🇺🇦🇪🇺 (@fotlra) October 26, 2024

Just found it funny Minority rights is a neverending fighting topic in Eastern Europe, so with ukros spreading all over the region things will get heated soon. Expect to hear about it a lot after the war ends

I also had an old pic of a building full of hanging roach flags with one lone kraut flag in the middle but I can't find it any longer

🦅💥 Shooting down the Russian Zala UAV by an FPV drone! pic.twitter.com/p2knSRaK0x

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 27, 2024

Moscow Telegram channels report that the sewage system in Moscow broke down.

A "fountain" the height of a residential building is seen in one of Moscow's districts.

A sh*t show, literally. pic.twitter.com/n8K30uAnJz

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) October 28, 2024

🎯🔥 The moment when drones hit distillery in the Voronezh region! pic.twitter.com/QfBNoZt78f

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 27, 2024

Dmitry Medvedev must be face down weeping into his pillow right now

🔥🚁🔥🚁 https://t.co/L3tJoyPVmS pic.twitter.com/Pu2pK3Pumr

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 26, 2024

🤩🤩🤩 https://t.co/sdcV1iQHUv pic.twitter.com/sOguC1UzQg

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 27, 2024

Are the sanctions actually working? Were the pilots just drunk? Did anyone half-way competent die in some ditch in Ukraine? All of them?

Don 🐐😵‍💫 pic.twitter.com/qDAPQw0K37

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 27, 2024

Foreign tourists come here and literally make Pol Pot jokes all the time and we're not offended, Europeans are just too lily (and probably a bit hypocritical)

The cambodian guy from my other post is here too and he's just as determined to make europoors shit their pants in anger

A glamorous Russian influencer known as the "Queen of Crypto" scammed unsuspecting investors out of over $22 million that she then sent to Ukrainian troops amid the ongoing war, according to reports.

Russian authorities say Valeria Fedyakina, 24, portrayed herself as a cryptocurrency expert on social media to gain the trust of at least four victims who she later stole millions from, NewsX reported.

The influencer, who went by "Bitmama" on social media, pretended to be a cryptocurrency expert with offices in Moscow City, Dubai, Monaco, Serbia and Turkey and convinced her victims to trust her with their millions, CryptoNews also reported.

Her victims reported losing massive sums of money, including one who said he lost $70 million.

After completing their investigation, police said Fedyakina managed to steal about $22 million in just two months.

Police say Fedyakina carried out the scam by convincing investors to transfer their money to Dubai crypto to avoid banking restrictions.

The victims said she then promised them a 1% bonus on the cash they sent her once it had been converted into crypto.

However, the cash quickly vanished as Fedyakina funneled it into Ukraine's armed forces to help in their fight against Russia's invasion.

He'll probably be on the losing side no matter who wins the war tbh

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gb1yq7/seven_countries_block_ukraines_invitation_to_nato/

Ukrainians might be better off at this rate to bomb shit out of Hungary and then wait for liberation by NATO

A NATO occupation would be better than Russians

Just ask Germans eh

Yes. please bomb Hungary

Looks like restarting nuclear armament the only way. Pathetic

But I don't want another slav country to have nukes

Time for a joint Polish Ukranian nuclear programme. We are a part of nato but it's better to play it safe.

Oh no, it's two more slav countries now

I don't think the US should dictate who's in the alliance. But Hungary exists so the whole unanimous vote is pretty rough.

NATO is Murica's toy, if they want Ukraine into NATO it will get in with or without Orban's approval