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EFFORTPOST :marseydespair: As the war seems to slowly approach it's end, Ukraine and it's online supporters have to reckon with what being a proxy means and that NATO isn't going to come to Ukraine's rescue even after North Korea joins the battle :marseyazov:

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gevkn2/nato_considers_boosting_support_for_ukraine_as/

									
								

								

The last few weeks have been pretty bad for Ukraine unfortunately :marseydepressed: They finally seem to run out of steam, both in Kursk and their own territories, Trump seems more and more likely to win the election, and Russia is receiving new munition and troops from other countries while they are still fighting alone and need to deal with lots of restrictions from it's allies. NATO starts to show signs of getting bored with the conflict and America clearly wants to focus more on the Middle East than Russia right now. Even the pro-Ukraine twitter accounts are posting less things, and lots of them are either fluff or complaining about Ukraine's allies. And with Vuhledar's fall Ukraine is slowly losing Donetsk too. Tbf Russia isn't doing well either and it's obvious that the war and the sanctions are biting hard and that they too can't keep this up any longer. The war is coming to an end and Ukraine will lose Donbas and Donetsk but will keep the rest of it's country. A resolution that leaves no one happy - both countries destroyed their economy and decimated their population only for both lose the war. NATO is the only winner in this conflict :marseyshrug:

Even with being in NATO we :marseyflagromania: still depend a lot on Ukraine for protection against Russia since they are a big country and a really good land shield for keeping Russia at a reasonable distance. So since the first signs of Ukraine (and Kamala) faltering have appeared I took a break from slavshit to deal with the reality. Thanks to Israel for offering a lot of very entertaining distractions while I was busy coping and seething :marseyembrace: But now I'm done going thorough the stages of grief, and just in time! Redditors and twittards are too starting to realize that Ukraine is losing the war. They haven't accepted it fully yet so there will plenty of salt coming in for months now :marseywereback:

Emotions don't matter now when there is drama to mine! :marseyminer:


Has anyone confirmed North Koreans military are on the ground in the war. Seems like a disinformation campaign so NATO can justify further escaltion.

Everyone is :marseycopeseethedilate: because NATO isn't doing enough and this guy complains about escalation. Redditors weren't happy :soysnooseethe: :soyreddit: :soysnootypefast:

1 - How exactly NATO boosting Ukraine?

2 - Ok, lets say NATO somehow boosting Ukraine, where Ukraine going to find new soldiers after 3 years of war and losing many best soldiers?

Western aid not enough to equip 'even 4 out of 14' underarmed brigades needed on the front, Zelensky says

lol "Zelensky says" and maybe read the article again those 14 brigades don't actually exist.

They do exists and they have been trained for counteroffensive in 2023, they just did receive any equipment


Zelensky has been as honest as any head of state enmeshed in an existential war can be expected to be. Your derisive air quotes don't do anything to make you appear to be a knowledgeable or objective onlooker, but I guess you knew that already and just don't care.


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Denial is still going strong which means many more drama opportunities in the future :marseyfluffy:

Ukraine has received more than 300 billion dolllars in aid since Russia invaded and almost all of it has been from NATO countries. That's a pretty big boost. If they wanted NATO boots on the ground in the event of an invasion they needed to join NATO instead of choosing to remain neutral.

They did want to join NATO, but you generally can't join NATO with major ongoing territorial disputes

Obviously they wanted to join NATO after they got invaded. That's not how a defensive alliance works though. It's like trying to buy homeowner's insurance after your house already burned down. The whole system would fall apart if no one contributed and everyone just took as much as they need only when they need it.

Bro the world doesn't work like you think it does. I say it without sarcasm or "goal to offend you". The world is divided (zones of influence) and much more dependence.

Reading the history is the key to knowing why everything you can see these times is like that. It's more complicated than it seems to be.

he world works exactly the way we're seeing it work right now.

None of the NATO countries are happy about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. That's why they're sending hundreds of billions of dollars in aid to prop up the Ukrainian war effort and sanctioning Russia to hinder the Russian war effort.

None of the NATO countries are obligated to defend Ukraine though and that's why none of them will take any decisive action that would directly involve them in the war.

Even something like sending ballistic missiles and giving Ukraine the green light to use them to strike military infrastructure inside of Russia hasn't happened, let alone something like putting actual boots on the ground. If Russia had invaded Estonia instead, the US Navy would have sank Russia's Black Sea fleet by now.

I think what he was trying to elude to was that ukraine never decided in a vacuum to not join nato. There have been calls for moving towards nato and the eu since ukraines inception, but russia has been running kgb and shadow warfare on ukraine for decades trying to control them. All this election interference we've been seeing in the west is relatively new by comparison, but russia has been trying to puppeteer ukraine since it's inception, to the point where ukraine has had to have multiple "revolutions" to throw off the shackles their politicians would repeatedly attempt to put on them in driving them towards russia and away from nato and the eu against their will. Yes, ukraine is not in nato, but if russia slaughters it's way through ukraine, multiple more nato member states are now at direct risk and collectively will require much higher defense spending anyway just to fortify a new border with russia where one did not exist previously, let alone the implications on everything else including the black sea, ukraines resources being martialed and exploited solely for a russian war economy, ukraine currently having the strongest army in Europe that's remnants would be turned around to the west after a russian victory. Russia has a fricked perspective, not grounded in reality, to the point where the decision maker(s) really thought the Ukrainians were going to welcome the russian army as liberators. Then there're the implications on allowing russias brutal methods of rewriting ethnic and national identities of the conquered, sporadic use of gas warfare and nuclear blackmail, using food as a weapon for imperial growth, all allowed to succeed. 300b is not a lot if you look at collective defense spending either. If we treat it as such and use it as a reason to stop support, then we either signal that conquest will be ultimately met with eventual boredom and submission, or all that was needed for a quick victory was more intrusive and insidious shadow warfare predating an even larger and more prepared invasion to achieve a quick fate accompli.

So again, yes, ukraine is not a nato member, but they are as close to being one and an eu member as is possible without full acceptance at this point, and the fall out from the end of the war will directly effect nato security one way or another, potentially aiding to kill the eu as well. The money spent on gwot makes our aid to Ukraine look like a half measure only meant to inconvenience a resurgent and growing russian threat.

Lots :marseylongpost: of cope :marseycope:

NATO considers organizing a summit where they will issue a strongly worded declaration stating that if russia crosses another red line, they will seriously consider considering some more considerations. That'll show'em!

And people joke about Chinese warnings.

Or russian red lines. Yes, sadly. We're no better.

As far as NATO is concerned we are not at war so we don't need to bother too much :marseyshrug:

What happened to our leaders? They let the bullies get away with things. Maybe social media messed up every one. I can't recall a solid leader right now. The only that comes to mind is Zelensky.

We are not at war but Zelensky is :marseyshrug:

Ukraine needs to start twisting arms to get aid at this point. Whats being provided isn't enough and its allies hesitate to provide anything more substantial due to imaginary red lines. No one wants the war brought to the Korean peninsula, so I'd start there.

Ukraine bombing Kim would be very entertaining :marseypopcorntime:

We joke, but what's the alternative? Go to war with a nuclear super power?

I don't want to fight in that war, do you?

1938 argument.

No, the whole idea is that if we show russia strength now then we will not have to go to (much bigger) fight later. And we are still in a position where we can do that without sacrificing a single soldier, by mostly giving out stockpiles of obsolete weapons, without restrictions.

ATACMS (without stupid limits), Tomahawks, all the F-16s we have (still cheaper than scraping them as part of F-35 replacement programs). Stupid quantities of legacy Patriots for defense. Ukraine will do the job for us and is willing to sacrifice its soldiers.

And you know what? russia won't do shit about it. There will be just more and more "red lines" and desperate pleas for help from "superpowers" like Iran or North Korea, but, as the world realizes we're serious about it, that will eventually run out too.

The only language russia understands is force. Look at Turkey. As much as I despise Erdogan as a piece of shit, he understands this. Remember what they did in 2015. Somehow, this did not result in a nuclear war.

NATO clearly doesn't want a quick and decisive Ukraine victory and prefers to slowly bleed Russia dry. Potentially it would even try to keep the conflict open far longer than either countries can truly fight, locking them together in a spiralling economic collapse. This will keep Russia busy and less likely to chimp out at an important state :marseysoldierrussia: :marseyzelensky:

"Considers"🤦🏼‍♂️

It's like they're still not reading the room...

Yeah, unless they are going full send I don't want to hear another fricking word from them. Words words words, meanwhile Ukrainians are dying everyday.

Such is the life of a proxy :marseyazov:

They don't have to. The grand sum of frick all is clear to see.

The weapons supplied haven't been sufficient. Ukraine is not allowed to attack useful targets.

NATO wants Russia to collapse, not Ukraine to win.

Yes :marseyagree:

I think we all know by now that one of the only ways NATO gets involved is if they come under a direct, focused and sustained attack. I forget if this was NATO or France that said they would intervene if they saw Ukraine start to get overrun but I highly doubt that even then they would intervene.

The purpose of NATO is also to respond if member nations are attacked. I wish NATO would do more, sure, but this is still helpful

While it wasn't a direct attack, multiple drones and missiles have landed on the territory of Romania and Poland, both NATO member nations. I don't even think NATO said anything in either of those incidents. The only country with any balls surprisingly, was Belarus because they shot a drone down.

Really says a lot when Belarus is the one taking action when their airspace is violated.

We actually shot one drone down too recently. We generally ignore them and let them pass over but this one was about to crash in a town or something so we smacked it out of the sky :marseyflagromania:

Maybe because other than the drones in Romania which the investigation was inconclusive, the whole Russian missiles are landing in Poland was PROVEN to be Ukrainian air defense missiles landing in Poland.

Do you have a link the supposed proof?

I for one would be curious to know how an air defense missile ends up in Poland.

And as far as the drones go, it was conclusive that they crashed into Romania. There is no doubt about that.And that has happened multiple times, not just once.

Not only has that happened but you have the dozens of times where Russian aircraft have entered the airspace over the Aleutian islands, which last I checked, belong to the US. You have the Russian jets that were messing with the US drone over the Black Sea, in international waters too.

Point is, NATO should be doing more. Instead, they show themselves to be pretty toothless. All bark and no bite whatsoever. There is no point in having NATO if it doesn't do anything when it is necessary.

:marseyflagpoland: are still bitching about those drones btw

Considers just means they haven't had the meeting to officially make the decision yet.

How many years is that going to take? Why aren't plans already in place?

No way in heck I'd trust NATO holding up their end of a M.A.D. scenario. Needs replacing ASAP.

Replace NATO with what? :marseysmughips:

I support the (European) military industrial complex

Ukraine needs all the support they can get, and they deserve getting it

Speaking of, it was funny seeing some american nationalists go "go get your own defence" and as soon as Europeans try to set up their own instead of relying on USA they're like "Why aren't you buying our equipment?"

"go get your own, as long as its from us" 😁

cant please everyone i guess... i consider it vitally important to be able to repair and replace everything we possibly can, and have enough manufacturing capacity in europe to sustain a full blown conflict, long term, if we end up in one

dont get me wrong, i LOVE american hardware, most of it is pretty great... but we just need the capacity

Exactly. The shortage of munitions in Ukraine should tell you everything that you need to know about the importance of European weapons production. The USA does not make enough missiles and ammunition for even a regional war, much less a global one.

I mean, they probably do. Mass manufacturing has historically been one of the US's greatest strengths in wartime.

But they also didn't exactly send everything they had, and there are compatibility issues between US stockpiles and the (former) Soviet equipment used in Ukraine.

That comes back to your point about European manufacturing, tho - Poland and other former Soviet states are likely already stockpiling and equipped to produce compatible munitions, and I think have been supplying them to Ukraine.

So you seriously think the United States should have sent everything they had? LOL

No? Just that what the US sent isn't representative of what the US has.

Europe finally getting off it's butt and investing in it's military is definitely one of the best parts of this conflict :marseythumbsup:

Well Europe could develop its own sophisticated, self-reliant MIC, but then most of those military innovation secrets are going to end up in Russia's and China's possessions anyway, considering how many officials in Europe are so keen to sell out their countries and all the people they represent for money and alliances with dictators.

LOL Europe has had 3 years to develop and expand it defense manufacturing why hasn't it improved significantly?

EU excels at strangling itself with paperwork :marseydead:

And how exactly did China build up its economy..? Something to do with all those American companies like Apple and Tesla outsourcing high tech production to take advantage of cheap Chinese labour...

What does that have to do with Europe being a playground for Russian and Chinese espionage?

Why would they need to come to Europe for espionage, when American billionaires gave them everything to increase their profit margins...?

You must think companies only exist in the us or something.

It's nice to see redditors defend America for once :marseylaying:

THEY NEED TROOPS. Weapons mean frick all of they don't enough men to overwhelm Russia and break through the frontlines

Careful, people dont like reading that, theyre gonna call you a warmonger and tell you to go volunteer instead of discussing it :-)

I agree, theyre fighting for us too, and no matter what reaction that evokes in people, its a pretty clearly visible reality at this point.

Putler is escalating, and were sitting on our asses letting him stretch out any imagined boundary and the war as a whole.

>I agree, theyre fighting for us too

Yes, they are NATO's proxy, and the whole point of a proxy is that they get to fight and die while you watch on from a safe distance :marseyoperasmug:

Can we stop with the whole day-late dollar-short approach to this war? As soon as the intel on outside soldiers was known, there should have been an announcement that proceeding would result in limitations being removed from Ukraine. And the follow through when Putin inevitably escalates.

It really does seem the west is weak of will. What the frick have we (the US) been spending all this goddarn money on for the past 80 years if not to defend against this kind of shit?

But America doesn't need to defend itself from anything? :marseyconfused:

Before you rush on even considering making a decision NATO it's probably worth having a few discussions first and then you can think about maybe holding a vote. Make sure any 'group' decision can be overruled by a country with the power to veto though as it won't be fair otherwise.

Oh actually, it's probably better to have an initial meeting in the first instance just to raise the issue so that everyone comes prepared. Ask Janet in the office to check everyone's calendars to find a time which suits everyone, but if there's no date soon don't worry, Ukraine can wait. They've shown they can be patient.

Actually, it might be worth just sending an email first to warn people that Janet will be in touch. Give them a couple of weeks notice though. Stacey can probably send the email, but she's on leave until next week, don't rush her though, let her settle back in as she'll likely have a few jobs to catch up on.

Just bear in mind its the holiday season coming up too... So if the initial meeting to talk about the proposed discussion to potentially consider a possible decision needs to be delayed until the New Year when everyone is back that's understandable.

Ukraine is not NATo. That's it, that's the answer

:marseyhes#right:

I hope they do, it's sad that Western countries care way less about Ukraine now, and I wish the media focused more on Ukraine than the Middle East

Why is that? Because the Ukrainians are white and the Palestinians brown?

Because arabs and now persians trying and failing to exterminate israel since 1948 isn't exactly surprising news anymore, maybe. Sudan, ukraine, yemen, and Myanmar are far more relevant to current affairs than hamas still not willing to release the hostages and swear off future attacks on israel as soon as the idf leaves gaza.

Bonus sandshit :marseynoyouoccupy:

Considers and not doing. Boy you are really making it tough for Russia. So tough I don't know why they would continue.....oh right. We are now at the point of sending mean tweets and emails. Please South Korea. Step up further since it seems NATO the mighty NATO is frozen with fear or something.

Cool, potential new proxy :marseyexcited:

Yip, that's about right. Everyone is considering this and considering that, hence the reason why Russia has taken a fair bit of Ukranian territory this year. Delay, delay, delay, and like every other time you finally get to a decision, it will be about 6 months too late.

This is how it has and is being played by nato meanwhile Ukraine suffers mightily

Should have considered joining NATO sooner :marseysmug2:

Can we stop considering shit? Start doing shit.


There has been a lot of considering going on last 3 years.


Considers. Brilliant.

Be in no doubt, we are in the midst of a great betrayal. And we'll all be paying for it a decade or two from now.

What betrayal? :marseybeanquestion:

Poised? How about already engaged?


Poised? Poised?

Mate they're balls deep.

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Look at the bright side, we'll have the opportunity to how the north korean army fights :lelolidk:

One minute we are being told NK troops are in ukraine, then one minute we are told they are on the way , then next we are being told loads have been killed in ukraine

Now we are being told they are poised to enter war , sorry if the troops are there, they have already entered the war

We are starting to see a lot of bullshit flying around atm.

Yes, my reaction was 'they already have and we are still "considering" increasing supply to a starved military fighting our primary enemy for us'.

Give them everything they need.

And now they are starting to lose and have outlived their usefulness to NATO, which is why there's very little reaction to North Korea joining Russia. NATO already got everything it wants from this war :marseysmirk2:

Oh NATO, UN, EU, and the US. As an American, I'm very disappointed in us all.

They can always fight alone if they want :marseyshrug:

Now Ukraine will fight Russia AND NK alone while brave NATO will keep expressing their deep concern about escalation. Or even worse - like what they did when Russian drones fell on Romanian territory. Everyone just pretended it didn't happen.

LOL "alone" a guess almost a half trillion dollars in aid is worthless? And just a quick FYI drones falling out of the sky doesn't trigger an article 5 and the Romanian, U.S., NATO, and EU investigators found ZERO conclusive evidence that those drones were either Russian or Ukrainian.

Article 5 needs to be triggered by the attacked country, NATO can't randomly react. We don't like drones flying over us but don't consider them a mortal danger to the point of dragging the whole NATO into this war :marseyantiwork:

It's almost like many nations want this war to last for decades. I'm sure it has nothing to do with $ and testing weapons.

Nope, nothing at all :marseydisconcerting:

are they going to promise more aid and then not deliver it like they did w the patriot batteries?

or give them like 3 more abrams (10% increase) while NK supplies Russia with 2 million 155mm shells and 10,000 troops?

We're not the only country who delayed the patriot system delivery? At least we sent it eventually :marseyshook:

Ukraine is gonna lose buttholes do something so that it retains atleast some good portion of its territories

It's not like Russia can afford another three years of this to capture some other part of Ukraine :vatnik:

NATO doesn't have practical ways to reinforce Ukraine. Zelenskyy said that they needed more weapons and ammunition. However, the US's weapon manufacturing speed is nearing the turtles' walk, so Ukraine urged that the Polish government should give the Ukrainian Army made-in-Korean weapons right now. But...the president of Poland rejected it since he said that the Polish Army needed those weapons to protect borders. He announced "Those weapons were purchased by our Polish citizens'precious taxes, so we don't have any reason to try that" Ukraine must make France and Germany donators of weapons. There's no more option right away.

Over half of all tanks donated to Ukraine came from Poland.

:marseyflagpoland: is also still being bitched at for not gifting their new weapons to Ukraine

I really don't get why we haven't supported Ukraine into a crushing defeat for Russia two years ago. What's our endgame?

Not have the country with the largest nuclear weapons stockpiles collapsing while at the same time inflicting as much a damage as possible without putting NATO boots on the ground… it's kinda obvious if you have been paying attention for the past 70 years or so.

It's like we learned something from the Cuban Missile Crisis

:marseyhesfluff#yyouknow:

After a week we will find out if we'll still have Nato


"Considering"? Fricking do it already. Should've happened 2 years ago.


While NATO considers, Russia kills civilians.


Alliance of Kitties and Strongly Worded Letters, no wonder Russia doesn't take NATO seriously, NATO is afraid to show force when its needed, dictatorial Asian country has joined the invasion of democratic European country shouldn't be this tough to respond to, every restriction must be off and must go all-in.

I'm Pro-NATO but this cowardice is embarrassing the "greatest military alliance the world has seen".

And before anyone decide to bring the usual "easy for you to say when you don't get sent to the frontlines", I'm active military in Finland, I'm amongst the first to be sent when the shit hits the fan, and shit will hit the fan sooner than we would like.

Why should the whole Europe go to war because one asian country invaded an european one? :pepeyikes:

Does anyone know if SK will send troops to Ukraine?

No :marseydisagree:

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North Korea potentially joining the fray has to be one of the funniest developments of this 'special operation' yet

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The equivalent of the US enlisting Phillipino soldiers for an invasion of mexico

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:#marseyflagphilippines: knowing the Philippines they would probably do it

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But the Filipinos are already the ones we would send

:marseyconfused: :marseyconfused: :marseyconfused:

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>north korea joins

>ukraine buckles and collapses

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Are they actually going to be fighting? Or are they just going to be stacking sandbags?

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stacking sandbags

Russian bodies, yes

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>regiment issued +150% sand rations for past week

>mfw eating good

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>new orders are to claim 5 meters of no mans land and lay down on comrades

>mfw

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They cant even lift sandbags

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They had korean SOF guys get killed on the frontline already but most likely they will be reserves so Russia can send more of its meat to the front

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In the past if you couldn't fight a war or equip your army you had a few bad battles and then came to peace terms. Hoisting up Ukraine has done their country generational damage.

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But NATO got to weaken Russia, expand it's borders, test weapons and strategies, and got those lazy members to (re)start developing their militaries. Plus it got a front row seat at witnessing how drones develop and adapt to the battlefield. A few months ago Merica asked Sweden and probably us, since we have some satellite/radar center here, to gather data on how Ukraine uses it's drones and send it to them.

This war might have been a disaster for Ukraine (although it's not like anyone forced them to fight), but it was a god send for NATO :lelolidk:

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For sure. Although I think the weaken Russia thing is a meme. It wasn't like they were this looming Titanic juggernaut before.

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True, it's more like they had their 'dangerous army that might be able to match NATO' mask ripped off. Still, all the dead young men will remain a huge wound for Russia for a long time.

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That plus they are spending an insane amount of money on the war, their banking system has been isolated, and the cost of a huge amount of imports will cripple the growth of many of their industries like oil and gas.

Massive spending + reduction/reversal of economic growth + losting 500k young males in the middle of a population crisis, Russians future is grey af and they won't gain anything of value taking half of Ukraine to compensate.

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At least russians are used with living like rats, what yet another economic collapse to them? :marseyshrug: There is a pic floating around /k/ with a russian upset that a polish friend bought furniture for a room with cash and without having to take a loan. Apparently this is proof that former URSS countries are all getting too uppity and not that maybe there's something deeply wrong with Russia as a country.

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Thing is, we want to weaken them, but we don't actually want to trigger regime change.

Putin is open for business, and we still do a lot of backroom dealing with Russia, the next guy in charge could easily be a lot worse for the West.

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Regardless they were occasionally antagonistic towards US global policy. Now they are proven too weak to be considered a threat.

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Although I think the weaken Russia thing is a meme

Hardly, it means less resources needed to react to russoids starting shit in Africa and Muzzieland

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And soon Germany and Canada

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They had a lot of kit and a lot of potential momentum to threaten smaller countries in the region with. The momentum is smashed so their strategic room to maneuver is likely going to be decimated for years. Possibly even to the point that the window for the 'Baltic + Taiwanese invasion' scenario is closed for good. But yeah anybody who thought Ukraine was winning this war is a fricking r-slur

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NATO weakened russia by ... causing it to massively expand its military industrial complex and ramp-up manufacturing to active war levels?

Weakened russia by giving it ground in the most productive agricultural and energy productive section of europe?

The war has been an absolute disaster for ukraine, unmitigated, in every way.

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causing it to massively expand its military industrial complex

Hahahaha

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You're confusing the loss of their existing military forces with their longterm production of new ones. In light of their surprisingly weak military position, they've committed to expanding their military industrial complex to rectify that. This is something that we'll inevitably have to contend with in the future now.

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For Ukraine sure, for NATO no. Russia's military equipment always sucked and there's no reason to assume anything they do now is any better. Even Iran is reaching the same conclusion. I agree with the agriculture and energy part, hopefully this will make Europe diversify it's own industries instead of lazying around like they did until now :marseyantiwork:

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:marseyxd: russia's military equiment sucks and that's why they are slowly steamrolling through the ukranian countryside against ALL the best equipment the west has to offer?

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Ukraine only received shit the west hasn't used in decades :marseysmughips: If you want to see top western equipment look at Israel's raid on Iran, russian radars hadn't even detected the planes :marseysmirk2:

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There was an emergency NATO meeting called the morning after RUssia killed a Patriot PAC3 battery in ukraine. Ukraine now has current state of the art drones.

Russia not alerting Iran, a competitor nation, that they have a capability the west doesn't know about ... is not really a dunk on russia LOL

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Ukraine managed to shoot it's own fancy plane with a newly received patriot too, lucky shots don't count if you can't repeat them. Ukraine's drones are built and improved by themselves mostly, Ukraine proved to really good at drone warfare.

Yes, I'm sure Russia humiliated itself on the world stage to keep it's true power level hidden and gave only shit equipment to it's allies as a prank :marseysmug2:

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Ya, one of my pals in military intelligence (oxymoron) tells me that our personnel launched artillery spotter drones (for one example) were considered sufficient before Ukraine, and now we're playing catch-up as Ukraine has proven they are actually hilariously outdated.

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Simplicius has hosted videos of literally all the western AD systems getting roasted. It's not rare and not hard.

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I mean, the alternative was the Ukrainian government being overthrown and Russia securing permanent control of all its claimed territories in the east. This timeline's Ukraine wasn't going to be prosperous either.

You can't blame Ukraine for defending their autonomy and NATO obviously benefits from keeping Russia bogged down. If they'd won their "special operation" quick and easy then they'd inevitably do it again with other countries.

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Wish it was some random shithole countrystan in the middle easth tho.

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Wdym? :marseysad:

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  • Sphereserf3232 : Russia is the aggressor, please recognize your problematic behavior and do better :!marseyindignant:

>russia wants to take over the world it's still 1965

The only people saying this are the ones who profit from the war. Russia has been seeking trade normalization and peace since the end of the cold war but NATOids won't have it. If you don't understand Russia was responding to Western aggression to kick off the SMO then you would be well served (by yourself) to never listen to the people you get your news from, ever again

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I don't get it :marse!ysad:

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That's ok, just remember Democrats have their own election day on November 6th

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Really? :marseyshook:

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Yessir, I read about it just today

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Russia has been seeking trade normalization and peace since the end of the cold war but NATOids won't have it

And yet it was Russia who started this shit and ended up regretting it deeply :lelolidk:

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They regret deeply gaining a vast swathe of fertile land, a nuke power plant, and an oil-rich region?

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They could have gained all these without a fight, if they simply moved their troops in Donbas and Donetsk like they did with Crimea. NATO was still weary of Russia's army so they wouldn't have helped Ukraine that much and even Ukraine would have probably been too scared to do much. After all, these were just too oblasts. No war, no fighting, nothing.

Instead Russia aimed straight for Kiev, failed to capture it, got stuck in a three years long miserable conflict and will have to retreat with only Donbas and Donetsk, which again they could have captured without a fight. Russia miscalculated badly and paid a very high price for it.

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When ukraine was sending 2000+ shells a day into donbass, russia could have taken the region without a fight simply by walking across the border

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Oh my a whole nuclear power plant, clearly worth the lives of a million mobiks (true actually) and losing all your foreign investment for a few decades.

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all foreign investment

(only the nations in dark blue)

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Russia has been seeking trade normalization and peace since the end of the cold war

:marseysurejan:

russians like war and it was the only thing they had going for it, so eventually they were going to use it for something dumb and self destructive

they'd only pick on easy targets, they'd be too scared to hit anything else besides maybe all of Moldova.

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Russia is starting wars with territorial expansion in mind. Historically that's a blip but in the last ~50 years that's a huge deal. Peace terms for Ukraine would have meant being a Russian puppet state again, now they'll lose territory but likely keep their independence, join NATO and be supported by the West in a rebuild. They have an opportunity to build a better country rather than keeping it the corrupt shithole it was since the fall of the USSR.

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Expecting Slavs to be useful and not just end up corrupting xemselves

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I'm not convinced on the joining NATO part.

The current situation is working out just dandy for us, I don't know if we'd want to bring an end to the good times.

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Uh oh NAFOxisters, looks like that Ukrainianx males are either dead or have :marseytrain2:ed out, so Ukrainian womxn will have to procreate with Afro-Russian BBC BVLLS to replenish the Oinkrainian population?! :marseyazov2: :marseyblacked:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17303020312634616.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17303020314328392.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17303020318611867.webp !soyteens !commies !commenters

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:#marseyeyeroll:

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Gotta give credit where credit is due and admit dude persistently sticks to his racemixing blacked cuck coomer gimmick

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Russians cope that Ukrainian women are all white, beautiful specimens, while Russian women are all the leftovers that didn't have money to flee to Kazakhstan, Mongolia or China.

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Keep yourself safe, NOW!

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Ukraine must be so jealous of how much we love Israel

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Probably yeah :marseyagree: As soon as the oct 7 attack happened Murica dropped everything to run to Israel's side :marseysaluteusa: :marseysaluteisrael:

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So must be Russia. Putin's war killed like 10k civilians in 2 years and he got blacklisted by every single first nation. meanwhile Israel massacred 4 times more civilians in half the time and yet everyone is still unapologetically backing them up.

Sorry Putin, should've tried murdering arabs instead. :marseyagree:

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Ukraine gets told they can't attack anything in Russia and half their weapons get geofenced, because "muh escalation",

Israel flies F35s 1000kms into Teheran and bombs the Persians to shit, including their dogshit Russian AA, and then tells the Americans to go frick themselves if they don't like it.

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Ukraine will join the rank of the Kurds, south vietnamese and afghans lol.

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How it started:

>You have a friend request from Uncle Sam :marseypatriot:

How it's going:

:#marseydeathpose:

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Personally i wonder :marseyhyperthonk: what the effect of radicalising a lot of european :marseyangelamerkel: winemoms against russia :marseysunflower: will have

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They are the most reliable voting demographic, so hopefully we'll at least start using nuclear energy again. All this coal, oil and solar shit is so annoying :marseydoomer:

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Don't forget Eolic energy and how wind turbines are definitely going to save the world even though the conditions for it are only available in a few select places and you can't recycle the turbines

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Time for NAFO ptsd arc

Does anyone know if SK will send troops to Ukraine?

No :marseydisagree:

Actually there is some credible people saying plan is for south korean pilots and f16 to help Ukrain.

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I'll believe it when I'll see it, frankly. They didn't even had the needed laws to send weapons to Ukraine, let alone people :marseyshrug: We'll see what happens.

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It sounds wild. But i have heard this from more then one people to bring up.

Im no expert on south korea. I know its shithole. But i dont know how they view north korea. Is north korea getting closer to russia such move that you need to step up put on show. Or could this be threat to russia? It was south korea that first rised fuss about north korean soldiers in russia. Ukrain picked it up and ran with it.

Maybe zelensky told US they will fold just before election if they dont get help. And this is what they came up with.

But frankly i doubt it will happen. But at least there is talk about south korea doing something

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It sounds wild. But i have heard this from more then one people to bring up.

okay hear this: they wont. now you also heard from people they wont

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Ukraine will lose no matter what. Pointing at a new weapon Ukraine may receive every week is just regurgitating propaganda. They've been doing this for 3 years lmao

:#marseysoyswitch: :#marseyjetfighter:

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If oil & gas prices crash soon, a Russian victory would be difficult especially if the west grows a backbone with the Russian funds they are holding hostage

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NATO is the only winner in this conflict

https://media.tenor.com/r0R0N3dI3kIAAAAx/dancing-cat-dance.webp

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Nice pipeline you had there Hans. Shame what happened to it

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OH NO NOT THE GREAT MILITARY FORCE OF NORTH KOREA! IT'S SO OVER FOR UKRAINE :chuditsover:

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theyre fighting for us too

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They are?

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Yes. Well, specifically they are fighting for American weapon manufacturers, from whom we and all our allies are going to be buying fresh materiel to replace what was given to the holhols

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Holy frick you're r-slurred

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comrade, we are both here

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The only time I read that many words about Ukraine it's because I'm reading Simplicius, who is useful to read and engaging and not a redditor kitty https://simplicius76.substack.com/

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All I want is to watch is hot Russians pounding Ukrainian twinks.

Why can't they just do that?

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too busy pounding other russians

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God I'd watch that all day

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So when are you all kicking them out of Transistria? Or amputating that wart

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Ukraine wants to do this but it's up to Moldova to accept or not, since Transnistria is technically still their territory.

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Ukraine is going to get trillions in loans from the entire world as soon as the russians get kicked out

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Russia is going to lose, any second now.

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They already lost. Three days to Kiev became three years and we still can't reach Kiev, we're going back home I guess :marseydeadinside:

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Russia lost.

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You see this @carpathianHORRORist, this is all because of your continued support.

The whole world :marseyww1russian2: sees that I am right.

Glory to Russia! :marseysaluteussr:

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So Carp gets Trump elected and now makes Russia win? Based :carpbuff:

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Good thread, should point out that what America really wants is to focus on China instead of Russia or the Middle east

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Eh, they are worried about Israel for now, but yeah they'll probably shit their attention to China once things calm down.

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:#marseynightmare:

Snapshots:

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gevkn2/nato_considers_boosting_support_for_ukraine_as/:

losing Donetsk:

Has anyone confirmed North Koreans military are on the ground in the war. Seems like a disinformation campaign so NATO can justify further escaltion.:

2 - Ok, lets say NATO somehow boosting Ukraine, where Ukraine going to find new soldiers after 3 years of war and losing many best soldiers?:

Western aid not enough to equip 'even 4 out of 14' underarmed brigades needed on the front, Zelensky says:

Ukraine has received more than 300 billion dolllars in aid since Russia invaded and almost all of it has been from NATO countries. That's a pretty big boost. If they wanted NATO boots on the ground in the event of an invasion they needed to join NATO instead of choosing to remain neutral.:

NATO considers organizing a summit where they will issue a strongly worded declaration stating that if russia crosses another red line, they will seriously consider considering some more considerations. That'll show'em!:

Ukraine needs to start twisting arms to get aid at this point. Whats being provided isn't enough and its allies hesitate to provide anything more substantial due to imaginary red lines. No one wants the war brought to the Korean peninsula, so I'd start there.:

"Considers"🤦🏼‍♂️:

NATO wants Russia to collapse, not Ukraine to win.:

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