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Interesting article on local identity politics :marseyreading:

I imagine an Indian election as having poles on either end. Each pole has a primary group taking charge and voting at the highest percentages for a party while constructing a coalition of other groups to make it over the seat line in a parliamentary election. None of the groups are necessarily hyper-conscious of this coalition construction. Instead, this is the responsibility and strategy of political parties. Winning an Indian election consists of patronizing a base demographic(s) and then poaching voters from fairweather groups.

On a grand pan-India level, one pole is occupied by the (Hindu) GCs and galvanized by the BJP. The other is headed by Muslims and led by the INC. Muslims and GCs each consist of around 15-25% of India's total population and vote 70%-90% for their respective parties. This fealty and current cultural currents have caused them to arrive at opposites. Across states and especially national elections, each group is a bedrock for building a winning electoral arithmetic. In years prior, the INC created a domineering coalition of Brahmins (part of GCs), Muslims, and SCs to repeatedly shatter a fragmented opposition.

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The death of the country

:chuditsover:

A lot of Indian politics is arguing whether the GCs or Muslims are worse for the rest of the crowd. Which “Other” causes bigger sorrow for society? Is it the GC and his apex, the Brahmin, who are cast as oppressors of all other castes conspiring amongst themselves to hoard India's riches and ranks? Or is it the Muslims who are framed as traitors to the Indian nation and gluttons feasting on appeasement initiatives created by the government? Each pole must stoke animus against the other to prove who is the real “Other.”

I like being called the apex

:marseyshy3:

The double-edged nature of each pole means that both GCs and Muslims must court OBCs, SCs, STs, and ORMs to join their coalition. Victory is a transaction. Whoever is the most expansive wins; the parochial loses. A massive live example has been shown in this contrast as the GCs have successfully crafted a broad spectrum of votes across all Hindu castes by being more accommodating and addressing other communities' needs via the triumvirate of welfare, representation, and reservation. Meanwhile, Muslims have shot themselves in the foot multiple times with flagrant extremism and parochial protests that heavily alienated other communities as roaming mobs threatened and even executed beheadings due to perceived insults towards the Prophet as well as riots to stop a law accelerating refuge for non-Muslims in certain South Asian countries.

Even with this abundance of animosity, both sides attempt to chip away at each others' poles, for since each group is the base of caste arithmetic for many elections, a slight dent could have an oversized effect on electoral calculations. Hence, the BJP is trying to crack the INC's Muslim vote bank by injecting caste consciousness into Muslim society, while the INC is bankrolling GC influencers on social media to demoralize GCs who they claim are being taken for a ride due to the BJP's overtures towards other castes. If GCs or Muslims split their votes even a bit, their coalition will collapse, and the other side will genuinely make them feel like “The Other” once in power.

:marseyindignant:

I do it for free

The one caveat here is that due to Pareto effects, GCs and other affluent groups are present in leadership roles at both poles. They are also more palatable for the predominantly Hindu masses, if you can even call that gaggle of caste minorities a “mass” in the first place.

:marseytwirl:

Land means labor means capital. Over time, dominant landed castes have acquired significant power via politics and pugnacity. Concentrated land holdings, wealth, and political influence have allowed many of these castes, especially those in South and West India, to transition from agriculture into more industrial endeavors and eventually downstream knowledge and mercantile vocations.

The most striking result of this economic evolution is the birth of regionalism as a bulwark of dominant caste interests against the centralized power centers of the Congress and especially the BJP. Why would these castes, who are among the most socially conservative in India, not want to ally with a “right-wing” party? The answer again lies in the feudal aspect of their castes. Despite certain regional parties engaging in pro-business and industrialization reforms as well, the BJP remains a threat firstly due to the higher degree of reform they propose and secondly because the BJP commonly foists itself as the vanguard of non-dominant castes, whether SC or OBC. The feudal castes become the arbiters of industrialization if it's on their terms. The BJP is a threat to the cornering of economic surplus.

Thus, to thwart the ambitions of national parties, dominant landed castes organize themselves into parties of their own. With plenty of local muscle and influence due to still present feudal mechanisms, these dominant castes impose their own norms, icons, and mythos on other castes in the state. The cover is smartly provided by people who are their exact opposites; cunning academics and journ*lists begin publishing narratives where non-dominant castes were all hoodwinked by conniving upper castes, usually Brahmins, into practicing Hinduism. In cases where the dominant landed caste is upper caste, those landed upper castes will simply blame people from other states for the same faults. They will then claim that it is only due to the dominant landed caste, a paragon of unblemished aboriginal purity, that the unique regional culture of yore has been preserved. Standard Hindu practices such as ancestor worship, tree worship, etc… are framed as non-Hindu. Hindu Gods and Gurus are appropriated as aboriginal or a rebellion against evil upper-caste Hinduism.

Keep caste. Exit creed. All hail regionalism.

:marseysmug:

Much of the age of the Indian Republic has been dominated by the Nehruvian “Idea of India.” Secularism and socialism reigned for decades until Nehru's grand vision experienced an exponential decay come the 1990s. Ever since then, Hindutva has ascended to the peak of Indian politics. But today, we are not interested in what these ideologies believe. We're here to explore how “Ideologues,” those true blue believers in their cause, interface with “Identitarians,” those that simply want their bag and will then promptly piss off. In India, Ideologues can only obtain power by allying with enough Identitarians. This is how political alchemy ferments, where dirt-shrouded masses can deliver a golden mandate to change the country forever.

Today, Indian liberals bank on numerous backward caste and religious groups who are fundamentally illiberal in their day-to-day outlooks and lives but function as electoral and street muscle. Similarly, the Indian right must craft caste coalitions from groups who may be highly parochial, a far cry from their ideal of Hindu unity. The Ideologue must sacrifice short-term ideological goals to gain the raw power of Identitarian groups. Nehru's quest for secularism devolved into appeasement to capture the INC's Muslim vote bank. The BJP's Hindutva has had to indulge in caste-based doles and reservations to expand its electoral footprint.

Identitarian groups have difficulty allying with each other since they compete for very zero-sum things – doles, resources, reservations, feudal power dynamics, etc… Identitarians are limited to the local. Ideologues can levy with Identitarians but clash heavily with other Ideologues. They are more interested in the macro. Ideologues use incremental change over the long term to fundamentally refashion society. In rare cases where Ideologues ally with each other, such as when Indira Gandhi joined forces with Communists, a new chimera of thought will emerge. This instance yielded an impactful left-ward shift in the INC's ideology that has reverberated till today.

The Ideologue is much more irrational than the Identitarian who trades for bullet & butter. The Ideologue doesn't respond to usual political incentives as an Identitarian would. The Ideologue gazes at the horizon, believing in their ideals even if present circumstances are dim. They are powered by the long-term belief that the sun of victory will rise on that horizon rather than an immediate profit, which is the primary onus for Identitarians.

The Ideologue also grants upward mobility for Identitarians within their structure. So eventually, Identitarian descendants would ascend in the ideological superstructure, sometimes even influencing it themselves. The Ideologue wants to convert the Identitarians. Time is the confidante of the Ideologue. By ensuring spurts of resources and placation to Identitarians, the extension of an Ideologue's time in power solidifies long-term ideological impact and Identitarian drift towards ideology.

:marseyhypno:

Essentially, above the million minorities are millenarians who play the minorities against each other to bring forth a new age of India. As India develops, you will see this transition from identitarian to ideological voting. This is already highly visible in urban centers today, where debates on caste recede, giving way to debates about what a composite Indian identity means and concerns over development. This is the real need of the hour. The million minorities framework of Indian politics must die. Instead of voting based on nihilistic incumbency and cannibalizing identitarianism, Indian democracy must transition to electoral mandates founded on solid governance and ideological mores. A new era of Indian politics must arise if India is to rise in the world. It is time the million minorities finally converge into an Indian mass.

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NAFO seethe :marseylickinglips:

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:marseymutttalking:

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:marseytwerking:

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:marseycope:

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:marseylaugh:

Das rite cracka we have you colonised

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Brahmin hater has a Brahmin bf :marseyflirt:

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:chudsmug: cancelled her apparently company said they'd look into it

And the girl in the pic has the :marseyjewofthesubcontinent: bf

:#marseyjam:

Savarna bros can we ever stop winning?(Never :!marseydisagree:)

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4chan discusses international politics
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Indo Soviet treaty of friendship and cooperation 2.0 incoming :marseysaluteindia: :marseysaluteussr:
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Hindis hate muslim film stars

					
					

I love old school bollywood

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Dravidoids declare jihad on English :marseyletsgo:

@cyberdick though on Kannaneighbors?

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>Write signboards in a language almost no one can read

:marseybigbraintalking:

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:marseychudnny: :!soycry:

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:marseysmug:

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:marseystare:

We really need a purge.

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:marseyniqabpearlclutch: cancels a :marseytrans2: on a :marseytrain2: for being chuddy

The :marseytrain2: said I get negative vibes from your black burqa

:marseyxd:

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Nuke Pakistan

					
					
					
	

				
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:marseyflagiran: denies attacking the ship :marseypatriot: :marseydetective:

Navy didn't release any info about attack, makes no sense for Iran to attack and now they're denying it officially.

:catmunch:

In unrelated news

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:marseypooner: murders :marseytrad: for not being xis gf :marseybetauprising:

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:poonerangry:

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:marseywomanmoment:

Guess this orbiter deorbited huh roastoid? :marseysmug2:

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:marseyveryworriedtrans: Why...why're you tying me up pooner san?

:carpbackstabber: Its just for fun

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How far we have fallen :marseydepressed:
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>The vid

:marseyxd:

Why are muzzies like this?

:marseywhirlyhatpat:

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:chadsikh:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17034748754468436.webp

:seethejak:

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Guys where is my personal muzzie to oppress?

:marseytears:

I'm a Brahmin too you know its really mean to not give me one

:marseycry:

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Did he just call fascist Hindutvadis liberal?

:marseypearlclutch:

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I love Rashmika so much it's unreal

@Sasanka_of_Gauda you have to give me her number.

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:marseychudindian: make me go nonchud for once with their stupidity :marseygiveup:

So some trad thot :marseychudnny: once did a vid where she talked about how a restaurant in :marseyrevolution: Kerala got famous after some truck drivers ate beef curry there or something IDK. Kerala is a very gay state, eating beef and getting pozzed by Arabs is their specialty(I'm not kidding, 100% of monkeypox cases in India were people from Kerala who had returned from Dubai :marseyxd:)

So anyway a screenshot of her eating a vegetarian dish at the restaurant(she posted receipt in the same vid) with subtitles about the beef story got viral alongside clips of her filming at a major temple, very hardcore orthodox type where even the PM wasn't allowed to enter for marrying a non Hindu :marseyno: :!marseywomanmoment:

Now she posted an explanation where she dabbed on the :marseychudneet: with a screenshot of Dear Leader Modi congratulating her(and also posted explanation I gave earlier) But some :marseychudindian: still aren't convinced.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1703437920141685.webp

:marseyshy:

Me too

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The :capygigabrain: on this redditor

Its a :boomer: :marseycanadian:

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:soysnoo: gets bullied by :marseychudindian: on roblox, goes crying to r/india about it :marseyxd:

					
					

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:marseychud: :marseytroll:

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Average zoomer

:marseyhitlerhindu#:

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Nooo you have to read theory chud

:soysnooseethe:

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:marseyxd:

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Roblox is my safe space

:marseyzoomertalking:

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Chamars mad

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So a man r*pes a married woman, and the village decides a revenge r*pe is in order. On the surface, I actually don't have too much of a problem with this. Except it's not the male feminist getting r*ped - it's his 14yo sister.

Last week, a young man from a remote village in the eastern Indian state of Jharkhand was accused of sexually assaulting a married woman. To punish him, the village leader reportedly ordered the r*pe of his 14-year-old sister. The husband of the woman who was allegedly assaulted was told to carry out the r*pe.

As the woman's husband dragged the girl to a nearby forest, villagers only looked on, her family told The New York Times.

:marseycoomer2: :coomer:

If they were focused on justice, they would r*pe the male feminist. But the husband obviously isn't interested in bussy. So he r*pes the 14yo loli instead. Also, if a dude is going out raping people's wives, do you think he gives a shit about his sister? He's probably going to r*pe her as well if he hasn't already. There has been 0 punishment enacted on the male feminist, the whole thing probably made him coom.

This shit is apparently normal in these rural villages

It also comes almost exactly a year after a 24-year-old woman was gang-r*ped as punishment for her brother's act of adultery.

:coomerface: :marseysickos:

A woman tries to explain it, but of course they get it completely wrong because of a lack of understanding of male degeneracy

"If you want to hurt the husband or hurt the father, or hurt the community, then you r*pe the woman to say, 'All right, I'm soiling your goods,' " Krishnan says.

No, they just want to coom. If they wanted to hurt the husband or father, they would inflict violence upon them or r*pe them directly. They r*pe the women because they want to coom, and now they have an excuse to frick a 14yo. It's that simple, frick this complex explanation for obvious coomer behavior.

BIPOCs in prison are more morally justified on this front - you were a libertarian outside? We will r*pe YOUR bussy, not your sisters, mothers, etc.

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:marseychudnny: :marseychudnny:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17033139723053274.webp

:marseycringe:

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