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BardWatch She/Her Anti-Hate-Brigade  4d ago (text post) 51 thread views #320700

Bard spotting on Bluesky 26 November 2024 :marseyrandom:

Here we spot wild Bardfinn Bluesky activities.

Be valid and ping ! bardfinn for something worthwhile or create a new thread.

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Chicken Puppet (@chickenpuppet.bsky.social):

Reformatting this whole thing. Blocklist for Hugging Face, the AI company that's proudly stealing your tweets

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

It's important to note that subscribing to this blocklist will NOT stop Huggingface or the dude who scrape the posts (and then hosted the dataset on Huggingface) from using the firehose API to read your posts.

It will lay down a potential basis for a legal complaint, though

Anodyne Handle (@tommyg.bsky.social):

Well, that sounds worth doing.

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Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

Well, but anybody can collect. The issue is not website terms, it's that is the protocol for communication. If you close it, you bring on many more challenges that make running it as non-profitable as the other place. So getting upset is no solution to open skies.

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

anybody can collect

Not legally. Doing so violates copyright.

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

To put it bluntly:

BlueSky does not convey from me to you any license you to use my content (my posts) for anything other than an implicit license to display it on your device.

You don't have the legal right to do anything else with it.

Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

BlueSky is a thin skin over the protocol. The messages exist and are exchanged on the protocol. BlueSky has no claim since it's just a skin, it's not housing data.

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

This is equivalent to stating that because my works are transmitted over TCP/IP, a protocol not specified by a given country's laws, that they aren't covered by copyrights. It is false. End of.

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Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

You need jurisdiction for such claims. An open protocol lacks ties to any one nation, which is a freeing part. You may not like it, but that's not the same as a legal claim.

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

You need jurisdiction

I have it. The corp running this service is chartered in the US. The corp hosting the scraped data sets is chartered in the US. End of that line of exploration.

Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

And assuming that the user or group you are targeting also resides in a country with agreements with said nations. What I'm saying is your messages still exist on the protocol, by virtue that you have to use it on BSky. So anyone outside those jurisdictions can see everything and not have to comply

Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

This is a case of having a cake and eating it too. The regulatory greys are part of the reason people like it, in some cases, and not in others.

Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

There is no grey area here, and anyone who has told you differently is selling you something.

We're done, here

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