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If Mary was a virgin, how did Jesus have brothers?

If Mary was a virgin, then how does Catholicism explain how Jesus had brothers? Are you sure that the Church didn't add that due to some neurosis over marital s*x, which there was a lot of neurosis among the church and they couldn't imagine Mary being anything other than a virgin.

Can someone explain why Jesus wasn't married when he was a Jew and he would've been expected to be married and it would have caused contention to his family and been a scandal in his community back then if he wasn't? Paul would have mentioned Jesus was celibate if he was. Why didn't he? The evidence suggests that Jesus was married and the Church censored the Bible, potentially destroying Gospels to hide this fact.

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Catholics believe Jesus's siblings were from Joseph's first marriage and that he and Mary never had s*x. Protestants believe Joseph and Mary had kids like normal because marrital s*x is fine.

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Thanks for actually providing an answer on that question. Catholics viewed marital s*x worse than divorce?

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Protestants also believe women can be ordained so that should tell you all you need to know.

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*Some Protestants. Protestantism is decentralized and different sects have different practices.

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Protestantism is like if you hate an ice cream parlor but still want to eat the ice cream.

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I heard that protestantism is decentralized and has different sects so that should tell you all you need to know.

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No, but they mythologize virginity in a way that Protestants don't. Mary is special to them because she gave virgin birth and then stayed a virgin.

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Catholics are deeply invested in that Madonna-Whore complex. It's kind of the basis of their whole religion.

Source: whoring it up at catholic school

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Mary could have had kids after Jesus

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https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/church-presents-mary-as-ever-virgin-8049

Catholics insist she was always a virgin, to the point of effectively denying scripture

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From your own source:

It should be recalled that no specific term exists in Hebrew and Aramaic to express the word "cousin", and that the terms "brother" and "sister", therefore had a far broader meaning which included several degrees of relationship. In fact, the phrase "brothers of Jesus" indicates "the children" of a Mary who was a disciple of Christ (cf. Mt 27:56) and who is significantly described as "the other Mary" (Mt 28:1). "They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression" (Catechism of the Catholic Church,n. 500).

The "gnostic" gospels also make frequent reference to it, showing that it was a belief going back to c. 200-300 at the latest, and it's been a dogma for 1500+ years, please leave Our Mother alone. :marseymotherhugger:

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They have a couple of other reasons there however the catholic church is r-slurred

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he and Mary never had s*x

was he an incel?

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It's a silly and unnecessary valorization of virginity because marrital s*x is not sinful and would not have made Mary any the lesser. This is why Prots believe Mary and Joseph had a normal, healthy marriage.

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Not much choice. Mary was built for that BYC (big yhwh peepee). He could never compete.

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He was a cuck and god was the bull

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This is wrong and goes against the original Greek translation of Matthew which states they are clearly his brothers by blood. Also Matthew 1:20

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Excerpts from here (I would trust the Greek Orthodox Church to understand Greek): https://www.goarch.org/-/the-ever-virginity-of-the-mother-of-god

There are several questions based on Scripture that are often raised by those skeptical about the doctrine of ever-virginity. The first of these involves the passages which state explicitly that the Lord had "brothers." There are nine such passages: Matthew 12:46-47 and 13:55-56; Mark 3:31-32 and 6:3; Luke 8:19-20; John 2:12 and 7:3-5; Acts 1:14; and 1-Corinthians 9:5. The Greek word used in all these passages and generally translated "brother" is adelphos.

The Septuagint, the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures used by the Apostles (abbreviated LXX) includes specific words for "cousin," notably adelphinos and anepsios, but they are rarely used. The less specific word adelphos, which can mean "brother," "cousin," "kinsman," "fellow believer," or "fellow countryman," is used consistently throughout the LXX, even when cousin or kinsman is clearly the relation described (such as in Genesis 14:14, 16; 29:12; Leviticus 25:49; Jeremiah 32:8, 9, 12; Tobit 7:2; etc.). Lot, for instance, who was the nephew of Abraham (cf. Genesis 11:27-31), is called his brother in Genesis 13:8 and 11:14-16. The point is that the commonly used Greek word for a male relative, adelphos, can be translated "cousin" or "brother" if no specific family relation is indicated.

Is there anywhere a clear statement in the Scriptures establishing Jesus brothers as literally the children of Mary? In fact, there is not. Nowhere is Mary explicitly stated to be the mother of Jesus' brothers. The formula for speaking of the Lord's family is "His mother and His brothers." In Mark the possessive, anavtou"of Him," is inserted before both "His mother" and "His brothers," making a clear distinction. In Acts 1:14, the separation is more pronounced: "Mary the mother of Jesus, and His brothers." Some manuscripts use the conjunctive syn "along with, in company with," so that the text reads "Mary the mother of Jesus, along with His brothers." In any case, Mary is never identified as the mother of Jesus' brothers (nor they as her children), but only as the Mother of Jesus.

Another objection to the idea of Mary's perpetual virginity is that the Scriptures use the word "until" or "till" in Matthew 1:25 ". . . and [Joseph] did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son." Whereas in English the word "until" necessarily indicates change after the fact, in the ancient languages of the Bible this is simply not the case. For instance, if we read Deuteronomy 34:6, 2 Samuel 6:23, Psalm 72:7 and 110:1 (as interpreted by Jesus in Matthew 22:42-46), Matthew 11:23 and 28:20, Romans 8:22, and 1 Timothy 4:13, to reference just a few examples, we will see that in none of these passages does the word "until" indicate a necessary change. If it did, then apparently among other things we would be meant to understand that Jesus will at some point stop sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that on some unhappy date in the future He intends to abandon the Church! The use of "until" in Matthew 1:25, then, is purely to indicate that Christ was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, not conceived by Joseph and Mary, since they did not "know" each other "until" the birth. In this context "until" is really synonymous with "before." If on the contrary it were meant in its full contemporary English sense. That is, if it really meant that Joseph and Mary's chaste relationship changed after the birth then the stylistics present another big problem: the reader would have to believe that Matthew was actually inviting contemplation of the couple's later sexual activity. This is doubtful to say the least.

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Matthew 12:46-47

While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him. One said to him, "Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you."

Mark 3:31-32

His mother and his brothers came, and standing outside, they sent to him, calling him. A multitude was sitting around him, and they told him, "Behold, your mother, your brothers, and your sisters{TR omits "your sisters"} are outside looking for you."

Luke 8:19-20

His mother and brothers came to him, and they could not come near him for the crowd. It was told him by some saying, "Your mother and your brothers stand outside, desiring to see you."

John 2:12

After this, he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, his brothers, and his disciples; and they stayed there a few days.

Acts 1:14

All these with one accord continued steadfastly in prayer and supplication, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Genesis 14:14

When Abram heard that his relative was taken captive, he led forth his trained men, born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued as far as Dan.

Leviticus 25:49

or his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any who is a close relative to him of his family may redeem him; or if he has grown rich, he may redeem himself.

Jeremiah 32:8

So Hanamel my uncle's son came to me in the court of the guard according to the word of Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ, and said to me, Please buy my field that is in Anathoth, which is in the land of Benjamin; for the right of inheritance is yours, and the redemption is yours; buy it for yourself. Then I knew that this was the word of Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ.

Genesis 11:27-31

Now this is the history of the generations of Terah. Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Haran became the father of Lot. Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldees. Abram and Nahor took wives. The name of Abram's wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran who was also the father of Iscah. Sarai was barren. She had no child. Terah took Abram his son, Lot the son of Haran, his son's son, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram's wife. They went forth from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan. They came to Haran, and lived there.

Genesis 13:8

Abram said to Lot, "Please, let there be no strife between me and you, and between my herdsmen and your herdsmen; for we are relatives.

Acts 1:14

All these with one accord continued steadfastly in prayer and supplication, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Matthew 1:25

and didn't know her sexually until she had brought forth her firstborn son. He named him Jesus.

Deuteronomy 34:6

He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab over against Beth Peor: but no man knows of his tomb to this day.

2 Samuel 6:23

Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to the day of her death.

Psalms 72:7

In his days, the righteous shall flourish, And abundance of peace, until the moon is no more.

Matthew 22:42-46

saying, "What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "Of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying, 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?' "If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?" No one was able to answer him a word, neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Matthew 11:23

You, Capernaum, who are exalted to Heaven, you will go down to Hades. For if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in you, it would have remained until this day.

Romans 8:22

For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.

1 Timothy 4:13

Until I come, pay attention to reading, to exhortation, and to teaching.

Matthew 1:25

and didn't know her sexually until she had brought forth her firstborn son. He named him Jesus.

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@Retorque_Fila_Fatum read this one

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Take it up with the pope.

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Seems like an insignificant issue of translation at any rate and certainly irrelevant in terms of faith, less it turn into prot level biblical literalism

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>completly r-slurred

Mary was a virgin though. Calm down with your heresy

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It's not heresy if you are shining light on truth.

Heresy is intentionally giving misinformation you know is wrong, not shining light on a coverup that people aren't allowed to question.

The biggest committer of heresy is the Church.

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John 8:12 Jesus is the light of the world.

Mary was a virgin then gave birth to Jesus.

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Jesus is the light of the world. Not verses edited in and clensed to meet an agenda.

If you think I'm questioning and making people question because of a lack of faith, you're wrong. I'm questioning because of my faith in Jesus.

Here's what you are allowed to do, question. If you want the truth, look within.

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John 8:12

Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."

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Probably in spirit, were Jesus's brothers born from a virgin birth too?

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No. You clearly dont understand s*x at all

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>doesnt understand s*x

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Jesus was Black.

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My feelings about the Church is never trust someone or something that has secrets that they have to hide.

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I've never heard of Mary bring a perpetual virgin in all my teachings in Catholic school. Sounds some some apocrypha

Specifically in Jesuit and Franciscan teachings I had at least. Regardless I think it's less relevant than the entire concept of the Immaculate Conception

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I've never heard of Mary bring a perpetual virgin in all my teachings in Catholic school

That's concerning honestly. Did you also not know that Catholics believe she ascended directly into heaven?

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They don't even believe Jesus ascended into heaven, they believe he spent some time in heck.

It actually reflects the scapegoat ritual in Leviticus which is such a fricked up ritual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell#:~:text=The%20term%20'Harrowing%20of%20Hell,of%20the%20Old%20Testament%20period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat#:~:text=In%20the%20Bible%2C%20a%20scapegoat,the%20sins%20of%20the%20community.

In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness, taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.

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I mean they think he went to heck basically on the warpath but yeah.

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No loving God would require his son to take on the sins of the world.

Really, people should handle their own sins.

It's an issue I have with the whole religion. I reject the concept of heck in my beliefs.

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Now you know how Jesus became Lucifer. Jesus was the scapegoat.

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how did he become lucifer if lucifer was around before he was born on earth?

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Lucifer isn't Satan.

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if lucifer isn't satan, then how is it at all important that Jesus is described as lucifer which is just the word for morning star?

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1713465221098678.webp

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Of course as it is an important matter of faith of Christ, not biblical literalism

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Neither is in the Bible. Idk how you made it through Catholic school without learning all the mysteries of rosary though.

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We did the rosary a couple times a year outside the convent the school was at. For the life of me I don't remember anything about Mary's eternal virginity beyond spiritually. I don't recall hearing it at Assumption Mass beyond that either

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Went to Catholic school and was an altar boy and they never suggested Mary stayed a virgin forever

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Jesus' brothers weren't from the ever Virgin Mary. And remember, many people were killed in horrific ways just because they professed that they were Christian in the very early days of Christianity. To say there was a conspiracy hiding an alleged wife of Jesus is really insulting to all the early martyrs, including the apostles themselves…

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A lot of virginal births :marseythumbsup:

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Jesus was born of a virgin, but none of his brothers were. It's not exactly a contradiction to think that after Mary had big J, she and Joseph had other kids.

The real question is, Mary was around 14 when she had Jesus, and probably not much older when his brother was born - so was Joseph cunnypilled?

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