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!historychads !anticommunists what's our assessment? Incompetent moron? Bloody tyrant? A product of his time? I already know our resident commies will say he got what he deserved. His wife was extremely r-slurred, ignored all of based granny Victoria's advices and was probably boned by a creepy peasant.
!neolibs was Sergei Witte /our/ guy? Was Stolypin taken from us too soon?
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He was a cute twink for the attempted Russification of Finland, but he didn't deserve to go out like he did.
Mannerheim stayed loyal to him even after his death, keeping his portrait in his living room until his own death. Maybe that was where his allegiances ultimately lied.
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Ofc it was. He was tsarist till end. Thats why he hated germans and soviets his whole life and didnt feel like he fit in finland. Becouse he was russian first and formost.
Nick and Mannerheim probably fricked like homos they were.
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Still, he was able to move on somewhat and served Finland beyond admirably. The White movement lost in Russia but Mannerheim lead it to victory here, securing our independence during its first hurdle.
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Independence was secured becouse communist in russia belived communist doctrine fully still.
Civil war just determined what kinda system country should have. Reds had no chanse to win. At best they could have bogged things down to longer war and irregular war. There was too much support tricking in for whites.
And i dont think he was abel to move on. He was asked to leave russia. Lot of his action can be read as revenge for russia. As for his service. Civil war he was great. WW2? He did really well in winter war but Ryti was genious during continuation war. But Ryti couldn't inspire troops like mannerheim did.
Good general early in war. Good leader of man later in war. Kinda like most generals who made it through ww2.
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I was talking about the civil war. The Reds suffered a brutal defeat, Finland's independence was secured and any fantasies of joining the communist sphere were crushed.
Few Finns can be said to have done as much to serve Finland as Mannerheim, whatever his personal feelings may have been. He was our president, for chrissakes.
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There was constant aid trickling in for whites. Even troops. Not much but way more then reds could have. Reds had no chanse to win other then whites giving up.
It wasnt russian civil war where whited adopted most r-slurred policy possible. Where if we win. You pesants dont get shit. Then act suprised when peasants join to fight for reds.
In finnish war. Whites were same as reds. Regular folks. Numbers. Material and training favored whites. And reds didnt even have any home field advanges becouse whites were from same towns they were.
Only way reds could have won was if Bolsheviks threw their weight behind fully.
But that would have brought more atenttion from rest of powers.
Whites didnt need mannerheim to win. All they needed was not to be r-slurs. Like russian whites.
Im just tired of everyone fellating him. When Ryti is much more impresive leader. Mannerheim is just sad sack who mopes around becouse he boyfriend died.
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The White Army suffered from “big tent” syndrome, too many conflicting groups with little ideological cohesion and lack of a unified leadership, while the Bolsheviks were all communists with Lenin and Trotsky at the top. Other examples are the Republican side during the Spanish Civil War and /r/neoliberal 2020-onwards !neolibs
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Well yeah. Everyone knows that. Putins talks about it weekly in his neurodivergent ramblings of russian history.
But even if they were lacking cohesion. Their biggest failure was their inability to offer anything for regular people if they sided with them.
Battles between whites and Bolsheviks were pathetically small. Espesily on backdrop of ww1. Whites could have won it if they had just adopted roman legion system. Serve in army and and you get farmland. But no. You are pessant and you will always be pessants. Frick you. Take rifle and fight for your master!
All reds had to do is find one angry young men in village and tell him how he can r*pe, pillage and fight through russia and then his spot in communisty country will be secured. And they were set for victory.
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In Ukraine various SR and anarchist groups sided with the Russians during the Civil War and got purged pretty late.
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