[Actual drama] Poland gives it's old weapons to Ukraine. Buys new ones from South Korea. Ukraine wants those too Now r/europe is very disappointed that Poland won't help Ukraine again while poles are viciously fighting everyone in defence of their motherland

Lots of detailed europoor arguments, but I'll try only link the juiciest ones and to summarize them so you can pick which ones you want to bother with

It is fair to ask and it's fair to reject the request. Certainly I wish the west was willing or able to provide more, and more quickly.

Why do we have to send weapons? Why isn't anyone else sending shit? We just bought these. decided to explain the problem and got jumped by the hussars.

(good fight, very angry slavs)

We're dying and russian allies appear to be way more reliable than our partners.

Well, maybe if you were better neighbours in the past you would get more help now

Your position is clear and understandable, but I just want to remind you: while Poland is sparing its taxpayers' money, Ukraine is spending the lives of its taxpayers in the trenches. That is a huge difference. I think it would be worthwhile to understand Ukraine's tough demands. People are dying there every day, yet instead of solid military support, there are issues, and even the Baltic countries are afraid to help Ukraine shoot down missiles and Shaheds over its own territory.

And if it so happens that Ukraine runs out of people, the Baltic countries might regret having saved their money, as it will then be their turn to lose their taxpayers in war. Alternatively, they may have to befriend a blood-soaked Russia.

This is a complex issue, and I don't believe Poland should have to take responsibility for all the weak-kneed politicians in the EU, but this path doesn't seem to be the best one.

A juicy argument here but lots of too. Basically, at the beginning of the war Ukraine accidentally sent a drone over the border into Poland and killed two people. Poland blamed them, Ukraine blamed Russia. Since they're both slavs neither backed down and there was apparently a very heated argument in the backchannels about it. So, are a bunch of ungrateful buttholes? (yes) Should just shut up already and fork over the fancy new weapons?

(Ukraine also droned , twice I think, but they didn't cause any deaths and we basically just told them to aim their shit better)

From my cynical point of view: the military issues are no longer relevant in Polish-Ukrainian relatons. They were in the beginning stages of the war, when Kyiv was under danger of being occupied, and Poland had to open transport hubs for crucial aid for Ukraine. But now, the front-line hasn't been moving drastically in any direction for a while.

Now, Ukraine has decided to pivot towards Germany and France before hypothetical peace negotiations, so I'm afraid Poland is effectively out of the political game. The big players have stepped in.

I guess that's what happens when emotion-based politics clash with the so called Realpolitik, lol

Are and (still) friends? Are poles just whiny insecure buttholes? (also yes) Should the West ask for Poland's opinions every time they want to discuss shit with Ukraine?

I want to understand because we don't have that negative discussion about Poland in Ukraine. What topics is everyone fed up with? At the end of the day, diplomacy is words, so which specific phrases come to mind when you think about specific cases of bad ua diplomacy? I don't have that in my bubble, so I'm sincerely interested.

The same as always. From the cult of the Nazi Bandera, the exhumation of victims of murders committed by Ukrainians on Poles, to omitting Poland when planning further actions. I will not even mention the territorial claims of Ukraine towards Poland, which were mentioned by the (now) former minister of the Ukrainian government during his visit to Poland (which enraged many Poles).

Old wounds are getting unburied. are told to just shut up already and stop whining, unsurprisingly they aren't happy about it.

I might just be living under a rock but, this is the first time i hear about territorial claims.

Every neighbouring eastern european countries have territorial disputes It's easier to name exceptions at this point (love you Serbia )

I get that Ukraine/Zelensky is basically "cold-calling" anywhere and everywhere for weapons but it's just not productive for Ukraine/Zelensky to be asking for somethings that's just never going to happen. You could ask your buddy to borrow 5€, maybe you could even ask your rich trust fund friend for 5000€ but you can't ask someone whose yearly salary is 50000€ to borrow/give 5000€. You are making your friend say "no" and make your friend question whether you are thinking straight when you should know your friend doesn't have spare 5000€ under a mattress.

You think that "thinking straight" in this case is to prefer fighting Russians on Polish territory instead of fighting them in Ukraine?

Will conquering be the end of ? (yes if redditors would have a say in it )

im sorry but with ukrainian diplomacy towards Poland, poeple here in Poland started to get annoyed as heck just as me, frick ukrainian politics who use Poland only as military road and nothing else, they didnt apologise for rocket that killed Poles, they didnt even mentioned Poland in their 'victory plan' guess who is between France,Germany and Ukraine? its like they expect us to agree to everything and this piss me off so much and other Poles too.

Then we have a situation where zelesky is mad at Poland becase Polish politics said they wont let Ukraine join Eu if they wont fix their porlem with nazi bandera ( bandera is national here there, the guy who cimmited genecide od 100k+ Poles , bebys,women and men, he also worked with nazis)

now you see, Poland helped a lot, 300+ tanks, jets, armored venihles, we even pay for starlink, and send electricy to Ukraine at this moment, we even pay to cost of sending ammo to Ukraine ( everybody send their ammo to Poland then they are send to Ukraine)

fk this, and frick ukraine reta*ed diplomacy against Poland, fk them

i still want Ukraine to win but dont expect us to help you when you spit in our face

god, this is pissing me off

No seriously just shut up about your dead already!

Worry not, soon there will be no Ukraine and you will be dealing with Russian diplomacy directly, no more Ukrainian diplomacy hurting your feelings.

We already border Russia and Belarus, so we're already dealing with their "diplomacy" directly.

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The Ukrainian government are such a obnoxious buttholes, they should be glad that Russia is even worse.

Poland shouldn't be pressured to give them brand new weapons, they bought for their military.

Should get uppity, considering they get money from ? Fellow gib enthusiast comes to the rescue.

(Also yeah, the only reason the other eastern european countries even bother to help Ukraine is because we all hate Russia more And we all can't wait for the war to end so we can start demanding reparations and apologies from them now that they try to join EU/NATO )

I remember all the Redditors becoming super mad because Germany wouldnt give up all their tanks and artillery….

Westerners when someone dared to criticise them once in the past